The Year of #Scandoval: When Vanderpump Ruled (ft Rob Schulte aka VanderpumpRobs!)

Emily Rose invites Rob Schulte of Vanderpump Robs to the pod to talk all things the year of Scandoval, Raquel Leviss’ new podcast, the s11 trailer that dropped, the 10 year special that aired on Peacock, season 11 predictions, and so much more! This is a very fun episode, you won’t want to miss!

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  Hello. Hello. Hello. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose. And today to talk all things the year of Scandal, I couldn't have anyone else on, but Rob himself of Vanderpump Rob's. Welcome back to the pod. Rob, how are you? I'm doing great. I'm having a terrific year, quite frankly. Um, it's been great.

Thanks for having me on. We've got a lot to cover in, uh, you know, the year's almost over, so we need to jam it all in now. I know. And honestly, The first thing that I can think to ask is like, if I had told you a year ago, a year ago today, that Vanderpump Rules would not have, not just the most transformative season of its own series, but of Bravo of my life because you believe me, I know, but I also, like, it just seems so it seems like a, like a lie we're telling ourselves still too, but it's true.

Like, and the way that we've all kind of. You know, everyone went a little bit nuts during the pandemic and lockdown and, you know, I need to be a better person. I'm gonna, you know, all these like good things for a lot of people, but also like once you were able to go live your life normally again, you were kind of like, Oh, well, I'm just going to revert back to my normal ways.

Uh, I have that same feeling post scandal, like everything's gonna change for this show. And for the most part, it doesn't look like it did. Like it's going to be the same, but like, but the energy's high, everyone is so excited, which is great. I'm very, if I'm making a clear point, I'm not sure, but I'm, I'm really looking forward to season 11.

How about that? I mean, I have to say, so am I. And I don't know that I was necessarily, I feel like when my, when my Scandaval adrenaline started running low, I think we even talked about, I was like, not very hopeful for season 11. I certainly didn't think there would be a season 11 to be had even before Scandaval broke.

Okay. I was like, Oh, well we better tune in because last time we're going to see these people on our television. And honestly, I mean, I'm kind of joking, but in a lot of ways, what happened with this Facet of Vanderpump Rules kind of did change my experience with reality television, how I view it, how I process it, how I interact online.

You know, I'm always complaining about the Reddit, uh, how I mean the smartest folks out there with the hottest takes. No, no, Rob, not only the smartest, they were there. All ten hundred thousand of them were all there and have been. As close as Sheena has ever been with any friend she's ever had, okay? It's also like, uh, the people who, when ScandalVault broke and like more fans were starting to come out and like, Oh, I'm, I wanted to know what this was all about.

And like, you'd hear certain podcasters or certain online posters being like, Ah, but we were here first. It's like, you are fighting the wrong battle here. Like, who gives a shit? We should be thankful that more people are watching because Uh, I don't want to sound too shitty. But like reality TV is not a personality, it is a fandom, right?

So when you create, when you make it more than exactly what it is, is when the problems start happening. Absolutely. And I will say, I'm actually really grateful that everything happened the way that it did because I've always loved Vanderpump Rules. And when this broke, it got people that were poo pooing it.

For years, wouldn't look in its direction. Some of my closest friends who are reality television fans. I'm not talking about people who don't fuck with housewives. I'm talking about people who love reality television, but would not fuck with Vanderbilt rules finally got into it and it, I mean, Hey, it improved my social life.

It certainly changed and it truly changed how I interact online. Like whenever I can be in the most whacked out subreddit, like random ass shit, and I am always thinking like. Okay. I need to be cognizant that like, I typically don't know the topic or I'm not here to argue with people. We're in like our podcasting.

I don't need to like get into a debate about audacity versus Ableton. Like, this is not, it's not that deep. Um, but man, what a, what a crazy year and developments that keep happening. As you were mentioning before we started Raquel, right? Rachel, excuse me, Levis, She just released, I guess what I'm, what I'm understanding is a nine minute kind of teaser of her podcast that is dropping in, in January and my, we knew about the podcast, but is it a teaser?

Yeah, but I'm going to get real nerdy on you for a second. Like I, I, my day job is podcast production. Right. I also produce Vanderpump Rob's for fun. Right. Yeah. So I've been doing this for 10 years and I can. There are certain things that like you have to signal to the audience. When you're, and I know exactly what happened.

Right. So I look at this and it says, Rachel goes rogue. The description is, you know, like Rachel tells her own version of the story in the description. And then it says it's like nine minutes long. And I was like, this is not an episode. Right. For one, this may be one of Bethany Frankel's like tens of thousands of podcasts that she decides to put out for nine episodes.

But we got a teaser a month ago. That's like, Hey, coming soon. My podcast where Rachel Gershwin, yeah. And it was like. A blip, because you need to have something to establish your podcast feed. This is now like trailer two telling us when it's actually gonna drop, whatever, but it doesn't say that till the end.

We just get portions of Rachel saying things in a semi chronological order that are edited together with like music fades. And I heart, like, no real disrespect to this massive conglomerate. Like, I'm not going to hurt big billionaires, clear channels feelings, but like, if they want to sign me, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah. If, if you would like me to produce Rachel's podcast, I'm all for it. Um, I DMed her and said as much, just so, so, you know, yeah. Uh, signal us anything at the beginning. It's like, Hey, here's a sample of what you're going to get next month on January 9th. And then like, or in Pisces, let us know so that we aren't like immediately thinking like, Oh, this is all episode.

And then at the get to the last minute, and it's like Rachel goes room dropping January 9th with episode one, you know, and it's, it's such a large conglomerate radio. Uh, thing that happened, right? Uh, I worked at large satellite radio company at one point in my life. And they would just be like, Hey, we need to get this done.

Make sure it gets done. We need to signal something for January 9th before we all go on the holiday. So some. You know, producer who's getting, not getting paid as much as they should probably is tasked to like cut together this thing into a nine minute sizzle reel, but then they don't have time with Rachel to actually record something that says like, Hey y'all, here's a glimpse at what you're going to get on this.

And so it's just this kind of nice sounding piece of audio, but not really serving a total purpose. So she doesn't do any kind of introductory, like, Repping, we just get right into like samples of, yeah, I mean, I have a feeling the first episode is going to start the same way this started. Like they took something that's like, hello, I'm Rachel.

You probably know me from Scandal and this, you know, and like all of this sort of stuff where it's like, oh, this sounds like the beginning of a podcast. So it's probably taken from the beginning of what is going to be episode one, right? Yeah. Well, I can, before we, well, I don't know if there really is a bunch of content.

Uh, it sounds like there really wasn't. No, I mean, she had some, I liked where it was going. I'm going to love hearing it as a hour long episode or whatever it's going to be. Okay. I just feel if you guys follow me on Instagram, you know what I think that the show should have been. And I feel like my idea was better.

Um, Also, I just, I hate this like, you probably have a better word for it, but this like, uh, like, surrealist speak or like, like, festival speak of like, Exploring the depths of the mind of the inner visions of the I'm like, that doesn't mean anything. No. I want you To come on my idea, guys, is the podcast should have been called Hey, Mistress, which is a call back to what Lala said to her, which was very rude, although technically true, and it could be like an exploration of the other person in relationships, it could expand to complicated dynamics of open relationships or polyamory, it could be, you could interview the other woman, you could have famous other women on there, you could have like, Hmm.

God, if she, if she did this right, she could have fuckin Monica Lewinsky. She could have whoever she wanted on the show, and it would be tight, and it would be dope. And instead, um, just a little, and then it's like, it's like Rachel, is it Rachel Goes Rogue? Is that what she's? Yeah. And then I also feel like, uh, the arrangement of wording there is Stupid and Lala Kent said she'd be Rachel gone rogue because Lala's like she already done gone rogue, but I'm like, no, it should be Rachel going rogue because we want to go with her as an audience.

It's, well I think this actual episode, this like teaser episode, is called Rachel Going Rogue. And the podcast itself is called Rachel Goes Rogue. She's been listening to me. We're almost there. Okay. We're almost there. She knows me. The, the problem is I don't know. We got so much to talk about, but like by saying like the description of the podcast is you've seen the story and read the articles.

You may think you know me, but you don't know anything yet for the first time. I'm ready to tell you the real story, yada, yada, yada, my story, or what do you think you know about reality? Yada, yada. You know, it's like, okay, the easy thing that people said is yeah. Like, didn't she tell her story on Bethany's in a three part?

Yeah. Series that got overhyped sure. Yeah, but even if there is more to tell okay when you're done sustainable What was happening? What's going on on this podcast? It's like Jackson Britney's horrible podcast Wasn't it weren't they supposed to be interviewing reality villains? yes, that was like the original premise was that they were gonna And, and I feel like Jax even said that he was gonna do some sort of interview with Spencer Pratt, but then Spencer and Heidi ended up doing their own podcast around the same time, Spidey's 16th Minute.

And so I don't know if that, I don't know what happened. Perfect cross promotion situation. Opportunity, right? Yeah. Uh, I'm sure that Jax burnt a bridge. Oh, for sure. I mean, yeah, that, that podcast is a disaster. And, and like you said, we do have a lot to talk about, but I felt like it was important as a, as fellow podcasters for us to, and I want to just keep, honestly, I just want to keep talking about my idea because I'm like, maybe one day she'll hear it.

And, and she'll, I'm not a producer, but I'm a storyteller. So hit me up girl. Okay. You produce your own podcasts. I definitely do, but I don't know. It's like. You can't put la I can't put like fake lashes on somebody else, but I can do it to myself, you know? Sure, yeah, fair, fair, fair, fair. Yes. No, I get it. I understand.

Yeah. I think, I get it. Totally. Anyway, uh, yeah. Anyway, so, a couple of pieces of content aside from that have come out in the past couple weeks. We've gotten a season elever season eleven super trailer, or official trailer. And then we also got the season 11 preview slash season 10 retrospective of Vanderpump Rules, which is actually pretty Pretty much a staple in Bravo.

They actually used to do this with housewives a lot. Atlanta had a five year, I think, and I can't remember if they had a ten year. Married to Medicine had a five year. Um. Well, and there used to be a bunch of, didn't even Vanderpump Rules, used to be like, how they got here? How they got here, yes. I don't know that Vanderpump, they probably did.

I know they did a couple of times, but yeah, that's how. They had done it, uh, I wasn't expecting, I, I, it's not like I'm surprised, but I just wasn't expecting it because it feels like every, you couldn't throw a stone without getting something Vanderpump related over the past year. Did you watch it? I did actually, we, on our season three, episode eight winter house coverage, we dedicated the beginning of the part of the beginning of our episode of Vanderpump Rob's to it.

And. I didn't get to talk about it as much as I want. So I'm glad you've invited me here today. My big thing about it though is, so it's called A Decade of Rumors and Lies. Yes. Vanderpump Rules, Season 11, Episode 0. Narrated, primarily, completely by Lisa Vanderpump. In her closet, reading from a script. From a script.

Yeah. And it's fine. It's like some, you know, Discovery Channel documentary. I want Lisa Vanderpump to, you know, narrate Planet Earth 4 or whatever. It's a great study and exploration into like biased media and biased documentary making. Like the way that she tells the story. I'm like, I don't, you're not wrong.

Yeah, she had a bone to pick herself. Kristen, the biggest whore that ever worked at Sir, to pick. Here's the thing though, I think it is, and I've said this to multiple people, um, it is a great jumping off point if you would like your uncle to start watching Vanderpump Rules this holiday season, right? You can show them that and then you can jump into season 11.

But what it doesn't cover is Anything outside of significant cheating scandals on the show, which is a lot on this show. Like, we, you know, people make the joke, like, it's all, everyone cheats. It's all about cheating on the show. But there is so much more that happens on this show that's so exciting. It undermines all of the complicated dynamics to this friendship.

Every time that somebody says, well, who cares? Everybody cheats on this show. It's like, no, no, no. It's not just about cheating, it's about the, because with a lot of these shows with Housewives, right, we can default to, as viewers, as conscious consumers, we can default to, well, they work together, but they also, not just on the show, literally worked together, even though that didn't last forever, they did it.

Begin their bond as coworkers at a restaurant and friends outside, you know, take a look at Schwartz and then roommates. Yeah. All of these people, it, it's, it does undermine, like you get the reminder that Jack's got someone pregnant in Vegas while Stassi, like, and they totally leave out the whole Stassi cheating on him with Frank scenario.

And, uh, but, but even if they did. We just get that aspect of that story. We don't even touch on Jax breaking up with Laura Lee after an AA meeting. Right. Which is so much more impactful, I think, than the cheating. It was, showed you exactly who Jax was. The cheating, it's like, cheating, sure, I could peg this guy as a cheater a mile away, but also the breakup after an AA meeting.

That. Is who Jax is, you know, they show Jax, the story of Jax cheating with faith, uh, in the fifth season of Britney, right? Like they tell that, that story, but they don't say is Jackson faith hook up next to an ill 95 year old woman. That is the story. That is the story. Like they don't show Britney revealing the tape of faith recording, which is the.

But as far as Iconic Vanderpump Rules goes, right, I would say Brittany playing the tape and then James reenacting Brittany playing the tape for Vanderpump for LVP is, I mean, it's iconic and necessary to understand because James Is the reason that it happened, he stole the recording off of Faith's phone to air it on television in the first place.

It's like, and then you see Ariana and Tom arguing about it, but the, and I, I know this is a little bit like behind the scenes, but it's also like, Tom, the issue isn't so much, why did you play it for Britney, Sandoval didn't give a shit if Britney knew, it was about like, The way that they did it, that Lala and Ariana did it, was nuts.

And, like, it's just, they really did a disservice to And then also the friendship dynamics. I mean, if Jax is coming back in the fold for Season 11 and then getting his own spinoff, we kind of also need to see a little bit more in depth of, like, Jax being best friends with Sandoval, fucking him over at every opportunity, getting back together with him as a friend, and then pushing him out as his best man, like, refusing to have him at his wedding, and replacing him with Randall, of all people, like, that's like, we need to know that.

Yeah, and is Bravo, like, I think it was, I had Kate Shapiro on my show, and her theory is that, Although Scandaval wasn't like orchestrated by production, it was definitely like, of course, they're going to influence it. Like, this is great. This is the best thing that's ever happened to our show. But they're like, this is also the perfect opportunity to get everyone to forget about Randall.

Yeah. And. There is so much randle that seeped into this show in so little time when he was actually on the show. Right. That has residual effects. That has things happening behind the scenes that I'm sure are terrible. Yeah. I want that to come out and I want that to come out on Jax's new show and I need that to happen on Jax's new show.

It won't because Bravo wants to keep their cash cow. And that's why I also didn't think that they probably will run a show into the ground. Right. Like we're not, we were always going to get a season 11, but now we're going to get a good season 11. I think it's, I think it's going to be decent. Uh, we got in this, in this retrospective, we did get a few scenes, uh, from, from the crew.

Now, the first scene Is Ariana and Katie in Ariana and Tom's house and I wanted to know what you think about this because they also touch in it on it in the trailer. Ariana says something to the effect of now in the trailer, obviously, this is very edited cut to be intriguing, but this seems to be her stance.

She says something to the effect of. I realized that if I don't want to be around my ex, then I won't, or I don't have to. And, uh, then we kind of get a more in at length discussion in this retrospective about Katie and Ariana kind of talking about how they're going to navigate, uh, how Ariana's navigating the situation, how they speak through an assistant.

And I want to know what your opinion is. The narrator was like, Although it was totally ridiculous, which is fine, but what do you think? Do you think that this is realistic of Ariana? Not so much the arrangement that they have, because that is their reality, that's what they're living, but is it a realistic expectation for her to say, if I don't want to see him I just don't have to?

I think it's realistic for her to believe that that's what she wants. I think we all know that, like, you can want something and that's not gonna make it a reality. Sure. Even if you do all of the right things, like talk through an assistant about weird LED lights. Yeah. Uh, I, I know that, like, the, the stance is that they're gonna try and edit something into, like, an Ariana takedown.

Yeah. But I think it's actually just human nature that it's like, well, we've heard so much about Ariana here and is this going to her head, you know, is it, and it's not, no, that's not even, yeah, but I think that like, they're trying to plant the seed of, is Ariana being too expecting too much unreasonable, unreasonable, there it is.

Yeah. And that's, that's like the hint of it. That's the soup song of, of what they're trying to throw into this stew. And, and, and I don't like it. I also, um, just to jump tactics a little bit, because I know you and I have probably both, you've probably gotten the same amount of pushback as I have on our fandom for Shishu, but I do want to talk about like.

Because, because this goes hand in hand, what we see is Sheena in the trailer. She did that podcast recently where she's like, Ariana doesn't understand what this cheating scandal did to me, like how bad it was. To me. It's so classic. I love it. So much. And I get what she's saying. I mean, obviously. It affected our friend group.

It was terrible. All of this sort of stuff. But like, you have to know, this is going to get cut to make you look, uh, selfish. Essentially. I think she just. I think she, I think she is so truly that person that there is no level of comprehension. And I think that when people say it to her, I think she might genuinely not get it.

And that is what makes her. It's so funny and I, I think I was watching clips from sexy unique podcast and like the funniest back and forth where they were like, yeah, it's the most traumatic thing that didn't happen to Sheena. Like it was the, the worst thing that never happened to her. And it's so true though, because she, I think you and I have talked about it before.

She Her, her fatal flaw is that she wants to be friends with everyone. Yeah. And that is why, that's where her conflict comes in. Yes. Exactly. These things make her confront that like, you can't be friends with everyone. And when you do, you piss people off and you piss off yourself and you do all of this stuff.

And so we see in this trailer that. You know, she's trying to be friends with everyone and it's coming down to it and then we get that Schwartz sequence and I think we got to talk about this. Oh, right. Yeah. Like when Schwartz is talking with Lala. Like, your show, set it up for the audience. Yes all right Well, so Schwartz and Lala are talking at one point and they're obviously reflecting on Schwartz's failed relationship with Katie and his floundering Afterwards and he's like, yeah, I was a I was a makeup makeout slut I I you know even made out with Sheena once in Vegas.

Nobody knows about then but to Lala jaw dropped Uh, and then we get these like weird cuts where like, uh, Ebroxing like you're making it out to be like, it's not a big deal. And it is a big deal. And it's like, well, we have no idea where this is situated within any context of the season. And we're just trying to be led to believe that.

And, you know, of course, if Schwartz and Chena made out while Schwartz was with Katie makes a lot of the dynamic. Right. If Schwartz and Sheena made out after they broke up, that makes the dynamic odd in a different way. Yeah. But, also, the theory, I think you were talking about it too, is that, you know, maybe it's cut into a way where Schwartz made out with Hera, the Sheena lookalike at Vanderpump à la Paris or whatever.

Right. But, but, but it could be anything and, and, and it also could be truth or dare could be we don't even know what it is. And it's. I don't like it. I don't like it. That's, see, it's like, and, and, uh, Sexy Unique Pod was talking about this too. It's very, it's cut, and anybody that, you know, knows about trailers knows that it's cut a very specific way, but it's just, and it's crazy on the fandom, on the Reddit, that people are even remotely buying into it.

To me, it's just very clearly not, whatever it's presented as, it's not. And even if Schwartz and Sheena made out while Katie and Schwartz were together, it's very clear that's not what, that's not affecting Katie and Sheena because they just did a huge collaboration together and you cannot convince me that Katie had no idea that this conversation happened between Lala and Schwartz.

Oh, yeah. Like, so this is not, whatever it is, it's forgiven. It is not a big deal. Obviously, Sheena and Schwartz didn't end up together. It does not, to me, does not matter. So why put that in as a teaser? The other thing that was thrown in there, uh, not to skip too far ahead, is this, like, threesome situation.

Oh, I hate it. I hate it. What if It's because I'm intolerant. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I, I, I hate it. I hate polyamory. That's it. No, I hate it because This is, this is something that happens for maybe an episode and a half, I'm calling it now. I, there is no way in hell that Hedy would put herself in this scenario to be that close to Schwartz in any sort of way in a relationship.

Without just being like, Hey, this will make a good storyline, you know, like it's, it's terrible. Like all, you know, Katie, like, and I don't want this to be a Katie bash necessarily, but like Schwartz is going to make out with anyone. Like we all know this, we know this. So we'll set that aside for a moment.

He's also going to make out with anyone that is going to get him closer to Haiti in some way, shape, or form this season. Yeah. Katie. Is going to make out with this gal for the story on yeah, like Katie's gonna do it and and she she she does not have to That's the thing she has Musicians who wear socks or sandals to the beach that she could choose from Katie has no first of all particularly with her Come to Jesus Fandom experience that she's had the fan.

Everyone loves her. They're obsessed with her. She doesn't need to like make out with this girl and some weird competition with Tom Schwartz. I'm also just kind of like, I'm just totally honest. Both of them had dating storylines last season and they were both God awful. And I don't want to see it. I don't want to see.

Either of them, or Lala Kent mostly, date. You know who I want to see date? I want to see Katie Flood come on Vanderpump Rules. Yes, dude! And that be the storyline. That's the only dating storyline I want to see. Yeah, because that's what I want to see the scene of all. Yeah. Though that's kind of a train wreck that's relevant.

The Katie and Short only half believe that they're fully divorced anyway. Like I really feel part of me feels like they. Still bang sometimes. So I'm just kind of like, wouldn't, I would bet money on that for sure. You would bet money on it. Well, I trust you. So I'm just kind of like, this is goofy, that kind of stuff, that fillery stuff.

It's like, honestly, kind of watching Sandoval earnestly try to date sounds like it's going to be filler, but it is kind of fascinating to watch. Uh, Also interesting, and I really want to get your perspective on this because, um, Sex Unique podcast, all the podcasts that I really like, Turtle Time, I don't know if you listen to them, I love them.

Oh yeah. They, the Riley, Hamilton, Amy, Amy Scarlata one, not the Ramona. Not, not, not Ramona, right? Not, no, no, no. near new. They all kind of have opinions about Ariana's new boyfriend. Mm-Hmm. . And I don't know that I've landed on one necessarily, but I'm curious to see what you think. 'cause we get a little bit in the trailer of kind of like a Craig and Paige thing where Mm-Hmm.

Ariana's. Like, oh, well maybe you could move here. And I am dying to know your thoughts.

I think Dan seems like a nice guy, and I think Dan lives on the other side of the country. Yep. And I think that is a great safety net for Ariana. Okay. She can feel comfortable in having a relationship because that's the thing people aren't talking about. Is that Ariana, I mean, people are talking about how she jumps to relationships, don't get me wrong, but the why, right, I think there, and this isn't, this is no shade to Ariana, but I think there's, she's been in such long term relationships and have, has had troublesome relationships that she's probably afraid to be single, and single AF at that, and And I think that like, whether she has done the process, the therapy on this or not, like, this is probably a subconscious, like, step for her to have a good partner that's a way that she can see, but can see for short periods of time and you have to plan to do it.

She can't just like, Go over to his house, right? And so that gives her the freedom to do whatever she wants day to day But the comfort of knowing there's someone someone's there for him now Dan as a human being I think we all kind of know the bartender guy. Yeah, you know and he kind of gives me just bartender guy vibes Yeah, and and and Sandoval was a bartender guy He just happened to be at the bar that she worked at and he does in the very little I've seen seem like a, like a better person than Sandoval and that's great, but he's bartender guy.

He's definitely, definitely bartender guy. I don't think my, I have the hardest time. This is the one thing that I am completely, I have a whole blind spot to. And then I'm like, I want to move to L. A. Uh, I don't see when people are opportunists. Like, that is not something that I am super tuned into. And, so when I think Dan would already be in L.

A. if he was an opportunist. Okay, okay, okay. He would have moved out here. Okay, so that's what I'm See, that's where my head was at. I'm like, I don't think necessarily that he's like Using her to get on the show necessarily, but I, I think the only thing that I would have concern about with any person, any person that was going to get in a relationship with someone after they suffer a devastating breakup, bare minimum, particularly one that is very high profile.

One that was very long, one where that person, it. Not just that they live with that person, but that they are still entwined in a working space in a social circle like I would just think that if I was gonna date a guy and I did I dated a guy who broke up with a Girl that he was with for a very long time and he wanted to date me very soon after and I gotta say Those people are not They haven't healed have not healed they have healed I Here's the thing.

Don't think Dan's an opportunist. I think, I don't think Ariana's healed. And I don't think she's gonna fully heal until she like actually takes time to be single AF. And I will amend that and I will say that Dan is an opportunist if he's on the new season of Summer House. Because he's East Coast. If he for some reason is on Summer House.

Then he's an opportunist. Oh, that would be awful. Oh, it would also be awesome. Like amazing television. It would be really interesting. Yeah. Uh, shout out. What's his name? Who's dating Giselle now? Oh, uh, uh, Jason. Jason. Shout out Jason. Uh, yeah. So that, that piece, was there anything, you know, there was honestly not a lot of talk about something about her in the trailer.

They talk a little bit about it in the scene that they give us, the extended scene. But they don't really talk about it in the trailer, right? I don't remember them Well, as of, as of this moment, I think they're still waiting on a liquor license. Which, so this has been, what, a year since they filmed. What's going on?

Like, I get it. Dancing with the Stars. What is it buying back my daughter, which I just did a three and a half hour disappearance on a Lifetime movie podcast. Oh my God. Yeah. Um, if you haven't listened to mother, may I sleep with podcast? Oh, I have listened to them. Okay. So it's coming out in January. So, but you know, like there's been a lot of things, right?

Yeah. Yeah. On the Ariana side. And isn't that interesting? I don't know what's going on. Yeah, yeah, well, no, yeah, we don't know what's going on on the Katie side and then Ariana went on watch what happens live and she said something to the extent of like, or Andy prompted a question. Who are you? Who is the most loyal to you this year?

And she says, Katie. And I'm like, Katie and her warped fucking views of loyalty, I, I, I want what I want from Katie is to be radically honest and say, like, I'm trying to get this shop open, but somebody is not able to pull their weight right now. But I feel like Katie out of spite to Sheena and Sandoval is going to.

You know, play the complete ignorance is bliss piece and just be like, you know, I don't know. Just, I don't think that that's that we're going to get that, but that's the drama, right? That's the reality. Just like it was in real life for Schwartz and Sandoval when they were doing theirs and Sandoval is out here on tour banging Raquel and whoever else in every other city, it has an effect on the way that the business runs.

Yet another thing that I bet Katie and Schwartz bond on, bond over all the time. Oh, yeah. Um, they, the, the other thing that that just jogged in my memory is, you know, Ariana did Dancing with the Stars, she did the Lifetime movie, she's going on Broadway in the rotating Bravo cast spot in Chicago, um, not Ariana going to perform on stage when her restaurant needs to open, not the exact same thing from Sandoval's storyline last season before Sandoval broke.

No, why? Why are you doing it? Why are you doing the exact same thing that Tom Sandoval did? Like, at least, at least make the connection yourself, Ariana, and say that. So that other people don't put it together. Right, because this is the thing. And you said something earlier that kind of got me thinking.

Cause I'm like I'm trying to rebel against the urge to not favor Ariana this season. But I feel like, am I rebelling against the discourse online of the fandom and the accounts and whatever? Or am I, or is this the story that they are producing and feeding to us? Because, again, being a conscious consumer of the media, of the tabloids and everything, some of this stuff is some random bitch on Reddit like me, and some of it Is, I don't want to say planted, but some of it is a narrative that is perpetuated by people who know what the fuck is going on and know what they're doing.

Yeah, exactly. So, I think that, I just, I don't think I'm going to hate Ariana, but I don't agree with her, some of her decisions, just in general. Like, generally, I don't think that she should be in a relationship. I think that she should not fight a battle about who's going to stay in the house. I think that it would be best for her to leave.

The house. Um, if that's what he wants, give it to him. That's my personal opinion about how she should handle her life. Which isn't important. Like, it doesn't matter what I think. But, hun, there is like a, there's like a darkness that bonds all of these people together. Yeah. And I believe that that darkness could be summed up.

Pretty well and like fame hungry, right? Mm hmm. I think that they all went I mean before maybe I shouldn't say his name the comedian that she dated before and of all Became very very popular and I was a fan until I was a douchebag. He was yeah Um, I think that she has this I think that she and Sandoval share that like destructive need for Attention is that bad?

No, I know. I think I get where you're coming from. And I think it manifests itself worse in some people like Sandoval than it does in like an Ariana, like right now, Ariana and Katie. And Lala, you know, this is their job. Yeah. Right. This is their job, so they are going to turn it on. When the cameras are on, they're gonna turn it on when it's time to talk about things, and they're gonna present things in a way that, you know, make 'em feel one way or the other.

Right. Or make the audience feel a certain way. The problem is, is that when, like something like Sandoval happens and now we're getting the, like the aftershock season of it, right. A little too much emotion is getting in the way of the job. It's like whenever you get pissed at someone at work and you're like, Like two weeks later, you're like, Oh, fuck.

I did not need to worry about that at all. And it just made these two weeks fucking suck. Yep. Uh, and because this person's just annoying as all hell. Right. I didn't have to go that hard. I didn't have to. Put myself in anxiety spiral. Exactly. And so, I think we're, we're, I just, I want the best for Ariana. I don't want her to have a takedown season.

I just think that, like, the only thing that's going to trip her up is getting too invested in The emotional side of this when she can just like clock in and clock out. And I also do think that Hart, something that I believe Sandoval about and have always kind of thought about her and their relationship and I think that if anything he's lying about with this is his own part in it.

I believe that they were very careful about how they presented their relationship to the media, or to us, to the show. And I don't think that without therapy, maybe, or deep introspective, deep introspection that you would need a couple of weeks off to take, which she has not had, which is dope, is Really reflecting on like, how guarded she is, and how not performative, because it's not that she's being performative, but crafting every second of your own public image is, I'm sure, exhausting.

And I do think that that's something that you kind of have to snap out of. Yeah. And I don't know that she's had time to do it, so I think it's gonna be interesting to see her, it kind of feels like part of what she's saying and doing with the house and with It just feels a little bit put on. And that's not a bad thing, and that's not like a character flaw, and that doesn't mean that she's evil or something.

But it just means that like, that's kind of how she likes to do, but you're also, you know. Beyonce does it best. Taylor Swift, who I hate, uh, does it well. I think that, um, Sandoval has infected Ariana. I think that's what it is. I think she just needs to detox, uh, relationship brain. And, uh, and then she'll be, season 12, we're gonna get the purest Ariana we've ever got.

Okay. That's actually great because I know that we have to wrap up. And Rob, thank you again for joining me. This has been great. I feel I'm so excited. I do want to just kind of end this by asking, do you think that there's going to be a season 12? It sounds like you do. And what do you think, where do you think, and with no information basically about season 11, what do you think the season 12 story arc is going to be if there is one?

I think season 12 is definitely going to happen. I think that we are going to See some people move on to potentially what Jack's and Kristen's new show is And I think that season 12 may finally be this first season without Lala Because she might finally get her gift of being able to go on the housewives And so I think we'll get a couple of new past members based off of people we have met In what's going to happen in season 11.

Okay. And I think Schwartz will be a cast member until the day he dies. Yeah. But, uh, storyline wise, it'll be Schwartz centric. It'll be him actually gaining confidence. And I think season, I guess this would be what season 12. Yeah. Will be a Schwartz redemption season. Wow. And a James takedown season. Oh, cause that's.

It's long time. Yeah. Yeah. And then Kristen's gonna be on the new show and we're gonna have to address it. And yeah, yeah Yeah, he's not long for the world of Bravo. And I mean, I don't wanna say unfortunately cuz whatever Well, I have to agree with you Rob. Well, I have to agree that if season 12 happens I'm invested in what you say I think it's interesting that you said Lala will not be returning because she'd go on the housewives if that happened Iconic.

And I, I cannot stand anything that Lala does, but if she finally got that, I would be a hundred percent behind her interested to see what happens with, with Ariana. Maybe we would finally get a single Ariana or maybe she would literally be booked and busy and could not be on the show. Who knows? Yep. Yep.

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