Real Housewives of Salt Lake City FINALE ((Ft Donny Hadfield aka @realdonnywood !!))

In this episode of the Who TF Knows with Emily Rose, Emily Rose welcomes the hilarious Donny from "I Am the Cute One" podcast to discuss the jaw-dropping finale of #RHOSLC. But instead of just recapping the show, they dive deep into the most underrated moments, the funniest reactions, and the biggest unsolved mysteries of the season. From the drama-filled reunion to the shocking revelations, they leave no stone unturned in their quest to make sense of the wild ride that was #RHOSLC. With their hilarious banter and insightful commentary, this is one episode you won't want to miss!!

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  Hello. Hello. Hello. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose. And I have once again, one of my favorite guests and yours, Donnie of the, we are the cute one podcast. That's me. Hey, hey, Donnie, did I say that wrong? I am the cute one, but it's fine. And I'm a patron. If you feel bad for how I just fucked that up, then you guys should all be patrons too.

So go follow them on Patreon. Donnie is here with me today to discuss what can only be talked about as groundbreaking television. And Donnie, I don't know if you know this, but the last time you were here was almost exactly a year ago, and we were discussing season one of Traders. And isn't that a fitting, like, theme for us here today?

Apparently, yes, because I won't rest until Monica is on Traitor Season 3. Thank you so much. Someone was saying something about House of Villains, and I was like, let's, she's a little more, she can do better than that. She can do better than that. And did two or three of your predictions for who you wanted to be on Traitor Season 2 came true, right?

They did. I'm not calling myself a casting genius, but maybe I am. I will. I will. Thank you. Thank you. So, Donnie, I've already spoken with you about this, but by this point, I think that most of us have, if you're like me, consumed every logical, possible recap, instant reaction to Tuesday night's Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale, so I'm not going to recap it with you, but we do have some, I do have some questions, some things that I want to get into, but before we do that, I just want to ask you, Did it live up to your expectations?

Did this finale, what did you go in expecting and did it live up to that? Uh, 1 million percent. It lived up to my expectations. I've watched it three times already. During my first watch, I rolled around on the floor. I was eating dinner. So I had to put that down for a second because I could only do one thing at a time.

And I was giving all my attention to physically watching the screen. I couldn't eat. I couldn't pick up. I drank nothing. Yeah, I also have watched it three times. Um, I don't know that I, I don't know that I knew what to expect, but the level of drama and intrigue and investment that I had, I was not expecting to have.

I don't know about you. So many times I feel like Bravo does wonderful jobs with their trailers where we're like, Oh my God, this is going to be the greatest episode of all time. And then it's not. They're like fighting over who's sitting where at a birthday party or something. So for this to actually be as good as the trailers we received, it, it shook me to my core, Emily.

I have to agree with you, Tony. And I love it. I love it. Like I said, the big stuff, the big points, they've already been gone over. Basically, the women come to this Bermuda trip, it's the last day, and Heather gets some news. Just randomly, that she didn't have before. And she brings the OGs of Salt Lake City together to I guess The only thing I can think of is plot, this dinner to take down or expose Monica.

And the way that it unfolded, the storytelling in this episode of television was beyond. It was really beyond. Uh, and I, so instead of hitting on the bigger things. I want to get right into, did you have a favorite underrated moment, because we'll get to the, we'll get to the response to everything later, but did you have a favorite moment that maybe you haven't heard a lot of people talking about?

Uh, so I feel like the first half of the episode is just not being talked about at all, because once we get to that beach scene and the Bermuda Triangle dinner, that's where the meat is in this episode. Right. So in the first half though, there are two things that I want to talk about. One is Meredith's outfit when they're riding those ATVs or whatever they're riding.

The double breasted. She's in like a blazer. Yeah. So that Meredith is. One of a kind and she never continues to surprise me this outfit while riding these bikes was a surprise

She does and then my other favorite thing in the first half of the episode and this is being talked about a little bit But it's still underrated compared to everything else is when Heather forgot Quotes to bring that credit card to buy perfume and she made Monica wear it. I got chills just talking about it right now.

She knew what she was doing. I had to, because when you like, when, when it happens the first time you're like, but once you're on rewatch number three and you're watching this woman and her facial expression, she dead ass looks straight at the camera. You can see her look at a producer. When it looks like it's going to get declined.

And then again, when Monica says, Oh, you girls are like, Oh, that's a broke bitch, blah, blah, blah. Well, then Heather looks exactly at someone and like raises her eyebrows. I was like, girl, shady girl. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. My underrated moments also. In, in line with what you were saying about Meredith because I was so furiously tweeting, I didn't I didn't catch that Meredith doesn't drive, so I didn't know that, so I was like, she shouldn't be, she shouldn't be driving, because, I'm not, allegedly, you know, this is just based on observation, if you're pilled the fuck out, and wasted, for three days straight, you shouldn't be driving, so I was concerned for her, Safety as well as, as her fashion emergency and then the other part, which I guess when I was thinking about this episode, I guess it has been talked about more now, but not enough for my liking the, the hilarity and chaos that went on when they're at the Bermuda triangle dinner and you see Lisa stand up and in the background, you see like Kevin.

And Anne like run to the door and I don't know if that's their names. That's what I'm calling them in my head. Kevin and Anne, the producers, um, they they're in the background and you see one like sliding over to the sliding door and then you see the lady following him and they're like talking and they're like really very chaotic.

And I was like. This is a great moment for them. I'm so happy that they got to experience this. When they slid that sliding door and they went back inside, how giddy. If it was me and you as the producers, I would just grab your elbows and shake. Like we know we have good TV on our hands. I don't know that I would even really stay employed past that point.

Like probably have a hard time not just pulling up a chair to the dinner ceiling, the chair that Whitney didn't want. Just tell me more. That was it was, it was great. So not talked about enough, but certainly, certainly honorable mentions. Now, when, like I said, I was tweeting furiously as. No offense were you

and we were, we were, we were, and just need to talk a little bit about. Some of the, the responses of it all and some of the things that people are saying, because I really don't feel like this was what Monica did, which if you've listened this far and you don't already know, like what are you doing? But she runs and helps run an Instagram call account called reality Von T's and.

It basically was, from everything that I've seen, primarily exposing Jen Shaw, right? Exposing the way that she was speaking to her co to her employees, exposing her, her double, like, fraudulent ass life. I think that that account also helped expose that she was using a rental, like her house wasn't the house that we saw on the show.

I think that that was an account that did that. And then Truly, some of the other women were genuinely collateral damage, like because you're talking about Salt Lake City, other women get brought up and yeah, you're not going to like, I don't know. It just didn't seem like an attack. You know what I'm saying?

It feels like an attack to me. People were divided. Some of us were. And hysterics in one way, as you mentioned, maybe rolling on the floor. Um, perhaps I'm crying, perhaps I'm screaming in real life. Other people were hysterically angry. And I just wanted to know what were some of the. Responses that you've seen on social media in that moment.

And maybe in the past couple of days that you agree or disagree with. Uh, so I'll start with disagree first so that I can get my bad mood out of the way. There are a lot of people that are like tagging Andy and demand she be fired and like tagging, so stupid tagging a Heather and tell her to get the FBI involved so that, um, I have not seen that.

Oh my god, I had to block this person. I was like, you, I can't. You're raising my blood pressure. Told her to get the FBI involved because, uh, Monica should be in jail right now. Like, for what? I'm so confused. I'm so con I've seen scary, people keep saying, it's actually scary, actually. And I'm like, have you been scared before?

Like, have you, like, in your life, like, have you been in a truly, like, scary situation? Because, like I don't know what Monica did is I work with high schoolers and they make up fake ass accounts with our school's name and I'm to talk shit about other people all the time and I am not afraid of them. So, I just don't, and they, by the way, they expose a lot more about these other little kids in the high school than Monica did.

Yeah. Or about any of the other ladies. So the scary thing, and like you, it's very condescending. You guys creeped out. Like it's actually kind of alarming that so many people are like, we stand Monica. I'm like, are you alarmed? That's. Wow. You've lived quite the life. Truly. And I don't want to tell, I mean, here we are talking about it on the podcast.

I don't want to tell people to, how to watch reality TV. Right. Sure. But I, I personally watch reality TV. almost as if it is scripted. Like, yes, yes, to an extent, it is these people's real lives. Yes, Gensha is in a real prison. I do understand real things happen on reality TV. But I also, I think that People that sign up for reality TV know that they are there to put on a show, so they are willing to, you know, blur the lines of what reality is and what showmanship is.

And like Whitney, for instance, I think Whitney does not act in real life with her real friends how she does on this show. And for like everyone's sake, I hope she can't, like, she can't, I just assume she cannot. Um, so with that thinking, if Monica was our friend and like hanging out at a dinner at TGI Fridays, whatever with us, do I think she would be?

And putting it online. But she was working for someone who was actively abusing employees, who was on reality TV herself. So I think, maybe if I was in that situation, my phone would be out too. I don't know. Like, what do you want her to do? I just don't, I, and, I think it's funny too because the, the whole fan thing is another thing, like, it sets a bad precedent for housewives going forward.

I'm like, worse than Vicky Gunvalson, like, fucking a guy who faked cancer, like, I feel like that was a bad, like, Ramona Singer, just hard R ing it around, that's a bad fucking precedent. Like, there are, there are Bad things that happen on the show. Diana Jenkins was a cast member for a year. And we, there's a guy that's out here, allegedly, in my opinion, faking dementia to get out of horrific crime.

So I'm just saying the precedent of like. Like what? Like that you or I, Donnie could be one day become Housewives, like, right. What are you ta, what do they, what do they mean by that? I just don't, what is the precedent? I don't get it either. And this was clearly like a one time thing. There is such a casting.

group. Like there are probably 10 casting agents that have to talk to these women before they are on the shows. And I think Monica got through because of her connection to Gensha. She was an FBI informant for God's sake. So like that is why she got on. If she was just a normal troll account. She would have never made it this far.

And no one will again. No precedent has been set. There's no, there's no precedent. And there's like, exactly like you're saying, there's a process. I said this on Twitter. I was like, you guys know that like, There's an actual process that goes into casting. They aren't just throwing people that have an account willy nilly.

And even if they knew, which I don't, I don't fucking, I don't care if they knew. They made a great decision because that was a great season of television. And it's like, they take the, the people that they cast is the most. Miserable, dramatic ass bitch you've ever known, the most frustrating bitch that you know in your life, even if maybe that's, maybe I'm that person, the most tiresome woman.

And they take that person and they cast them and they usually clean these people up a bit to be presentable on television. And that's what we get presented with, with housewives. Right. They did a great job in my opinion. I agree. In my opinion. And it doesn't, again, it doesn't mean that they're setting it up.

That's another thing I'm about tired of hearing. Like it's a, Oh, I think production production wanted to keep their jobs. Like the freelance producers wanted to keep their jobs for another year. Okay. So they were like, let's get someone that's like kind of interesting. She has a crazy mom and she ratted out Jen Shaw.

That's perfect. It's perfect casting. And even if they knew, and I've seen a lot of stuff. Maybe I believe it. I'm not sure that the women knew for longer than we are led to believe as well. Yeah. Yeah, I believe that. I do too. But some people are like, you're wearing a tinfoil hat. I don't care. Then I'll wear it.

I don't care. Be cute about it. So I do think production and the women knew for a lot longer than we were led to believe in this episode. But again, who cares? Reality TV. Let's focus on the TV part. We're here watching a show. We're here watching television. My first priority is to be entertained. So if they knew for six months, they planned this finale perfectly.

I don't care if they knew for six years. I don't either the only thing and the thing is to like Monica doesn't care like Monica's She does not care, so I don't know like what the, if Monica, maybe I could see an argument if after this, she was like, you guys ambushed me and I just can't, like, that's not her vibe.

Maybe she changes it up at the reunion, but right now that is not her vibe. She's like, oh no, like I knew this was going to come out. Like, fuck them anyway. I hate all of them. Did she want, oh sorry. No, no, go ahead. Did you watch her Instagram live after the episode? Yeah, so I tuned in to about 10 minutes before the first pause, and then I came back about 10 minutes after the first pause, and then I actually fell asleep to the dulcet sounds of Monica and Dana.

Just living their best lives. But what I kind of missed a lot, did you get like some juicy tidbits? So someone asked her if She knew going into this dinner that this was happening, and she said she knew once she got to Bermuda. She said she knew that Heather knew before the trip, which means the phone call was bullshit, but again, in terms of storytelling, we needed it, so I do not care.

But she said that Heather knew going into the trip. So then Monica told production, once she got there and said, I don't know what these women have planned, but there will be an ambush some point during this trip against me. So I want you to know, so you can do whatever you need to do. Yeah. That's, that's such a good theory too.

And, and I believe that maybe Heather didn't know for. Maybe several months, but I think that she knew very close Maybe a month or so before the trip Because the whole time the way that she acts on the trip the way that she is speaking on the trip is so it's so Specific I don't know I like scripted seems like a word that would be obvious but like when they flash back to her and Whitney and they're talking and Whitney's like Isn't it crazy that that call came right before and Heather goes, it is suspicious for sure.

I'm like, what are you talking about there? What are you doing? And I thought it was weird when I saw it the first time and then on the beach and she's like, girl, don't say that. I'm like, well, yeah, you wouldn't make a fake account and message yourself, right? Heather, please girl, you know, and mom. Yeah. And there were a lot of people on Twitter that were saying like, well, no, that means these women had to be acting and faking it for so long, but we know they can because the first half of this.

when they're playing that doll game and like, Heather, this looks great. Heather, this is wonderful. Thanks for dinner. They're acting like they don't know anything then. And then we get that flashback to the beach to show they knew all that time. And then suddenly Whitney can't sit next to her anymore. So Whitney could sit next to her for that first hour, which means she could pretend to be her friend the first half of the trip.

And also, again, this franchise, when it came. To fruition, the biggest criticism was that they were acting like how housewives were supposed to act or what a stereotypical parody of a housewife would be. These bitches have been doing this shit. Listen, the only person that I think is probably the exact same as we see her on TV in real life is Miriam Cosby.

The only person. Because you cannot sustain like that level of chaos and delusion, uh, unless it's built into you. I truly believe that. All the rest of these women, like you said earlier, they're not exactly this way. And Samara did, I just have to say, when she, again, this is allegedly in my opinion, you know, whatever.

When she started coming down. Was when she got like the, what I would describe as like, you get like anxiety and everything is like amplified. And I feel like she was coming down from whatever the hell she'd been on when she got on that beach and. I think that was the spawn of her like dramatic outbursts, like the emotion and everything.

I like, she was like, Oh, someone get her a Xan, but the rest of them, the rest of them were just like, Oh, and, and Lisa, Lisa talking to Heather. Mother, you're crying. Oh my god. Oh my god. I'm crying. Wait, if you I'm like, bitch, shut the hell up and let this lady talk for a second. Damn. Um, a mess. A mess. It was.

But a fun mess. So good. And so then we kind of get out of the people's reaction and we kind of have to talk about the reaction of those involved. Because now we have a new character, Tanisha, who, uh, spoke her piece. And, I'm gonna keep it a hundred. I could, I only was tuned in to about half of what she said.

And I really wanted to be engaged, but the whole time I was thinking, All of you guys were plotting like this. Every single person was plotting. So, if you're trying to, I don't believe you. If she's coming on here and being like, Monica's a liar. Duh. We already know that. What do you, what? Like what do you wanna say?

What was your, did you watch any, because Tanisha went live as well. Um, oh, I didn't see her live. I saw her stories. Oh, right. No, it wa you're right. It was stories, it wasn't live. Mm-Hmm. . But I was too preoccupied in, in Monica Land. So did , did you pick up anything from those? Basically she just. It's so hard to see who is telling I think everyone is lying, just like you said.

There is no one person telling the truth. Um, so Tanisha was trying to get, like, logistics against Monica. Like, Monica said Tanisha started the account. So then Tanisha would post a screencap of Monica saying, like, Girl, let's start this account. To prove that Monica started it. Like, a lot of, she said this, so I'm gonna prove her wrong.

Besides that, it wasn't really anything. It wasn't beneficial because it was all, she was still involved. And then Monica started doing the same thing to Tanisha. So Tanisha would post that screen cap. And then Monica said, well, two days before Tanisha said this to me. So it's just a lot of back and forth.

Just put Tanisha on next season. Yeah, just cast her. Like I don't, Donnie, I don't give a fuck about this account. I don't think. I, I, I can't remember who said it, because I have, uh, listened to podcasts, but like, Mary Cosby, in real life, has said worse shit to these women than, like, anything that was said on these accounts.

So I just can't, I cannot comprehend giving a fuck, and I don't understand when people do. I'm like, why? Why do you care? I don't get it. I don't get it. What was said? Is there stuff that we're not seeing? Now, I think people just want to be upset by something. So I think, I think they, for whatever reason, they like Heather, they like Meredith.

So now that someone comes against them, they can't be nuanced about it. Like, they can't put themselves on both sides. They're just like, I'm team whoever. I'm team Meredith, so someone cross Meredith. They crossed me. Okay, girl, whatever. That's fine. Um, the, you know, if that's how you want to do it, fine. The women, I think, are not okay with it because, and this is just all, like, where my mind goes.

I don't know if this is true, but because it was such a gossip girl situation, I feel like they submitted stuff against Jen and each other to the account so Monica probably has in DM somewhere a DM from Meredith talking about Lisa I do from Lisa talking about Heather like all these things and if they can discredit Monica and say like oh this girl's nuts Get this bitch off the show blah blah blah Then when these DMS come out, it won't be a big deal because we already said Monica's a crazy girl No ladies because the way that you reacted to this is Only, like, that is, if I'm to believe that, and I believe that some of it was a genuine reaction, because I think that some of it was out of fear, like, The hysterics and the crying and the Heather being like you, you've been bullying us for months.

I'm like, so you said some shit, didn't you girl like, and Monica's not going to say, you know, Oh, well all of them submitted shit because then it's going to be like a back and forth and then she's not going to have the power. It's going to, you know, like, I think that there's, I think she's a little strategic obviously.

Me too. Cause that's what I think is in that burn book. She brings to the reunion. I think she's going to have a page for each woman. This is what you sent in. Yes. Oh my God. If it's not that, I'm going to be disappointed in my girl. Me too. I'm going to be so disappointed. Donny, the last thing that I want to catch up on, and I was, I thought about making us both little dolls, but I just didn't have the time.

Okay? I didn't have time to make the tiny dolls. But I was going to give you like, very like, um, Cunty eyebrows, like very attitude giving eyebrows. A little pipe cleaners. Do you have any unsolved mysteries or unanswered questions that are still burning for you from this episode going forward? I would just, and I don't think we'll ever find out because I think these women are going to pretend that the phone call is what changed it all, and everybody was in the dark until the phone call and then the meeting on the beach, but I want to know how long everyone really knew, because if they were informed on the beach, and then that happened, An hour or so later, they go to the dinner.

Meredith all of a sudden knows, three years ago you were in my store with blonde hair when the thing was shoplifted. So how long did you know that, Meredith? Because you were either sitting on it for two years or what? Right. And like, it seems like if they didn't already know, then a good time for her to have brought up that piece of information would have been when all the women were coming for her.

When it was, you know what I'm saying? Like, when they're at the, in the cave, and everyone's like, we're sick of this from you, Meredith, and it was, I mean, Monica very clearly was like, oh yeah, no, Meredith told me all of this stuff. Wouldn't that have been the ideal time for you to be like, girl, you're not who you say you are, because I saw, I know, if that was the only piece of information she had, I'm just saying, that would have made more sense for her to do it then, right?

Yeah, I agree. And Lisa, and I don't know if Lisa got this information from Heather, or if this is something she knew on her own either, but Lisa does the same thing with like, you used to sit in Jen's driveway. So if you knew that, how come you never said this? This whole season you were coming after Monica.

And, I mean, if you guys were all If you guys were like, I don't know how the fuck the rest of this season's gonna go, but we're gonna have a banger finale, and they were in rehearsals, dress rehearsals, tech, all of that for the past few weeks, hey, I'm not gonna be mad about it, because it was a great, it was a great show.

However there's something missing. There's a lot missing. Like, oh, one thing, and I would love your input on this cause I, I took to Reddit, but I didn't really get the responses I was looking for. They keep saying that, or, and Lisa especially says like.

You were doing drive bys of Jen's house, and I can't put that in a context that means something to me. Because to me, when I think of a drive by, I'm thinking of, like, a very violent situation, obviously. Uh huh, uh huh. But the only other meaning, if we're not talking about violence, would be, like, driving by to, like, peep her house or, you know, whatever.

But she would be doing that because She's friends with her. And even if she does some shady shit, like, Oh, look at this bitch's house, like, tacky as usual, It was just between her and the group message. So what is a drive by? Why is that significant to me? What does that have to do with me? Right, I know Tanisha posted a video that Monica sent her when they were friends still, um, and like running the account together where she was like in a babushka as like a disguise and she filmed a video saying like, I'm in a disguise, I'm spying on Jen.

And then there were like pictures too of Jen's house with like arrows pointing towards windows and we're like, this person is Jen. And now I don't understand why. She would have to do this, but I do think this is what Lisa is talking about, that she was like, doing these stakeouts on Jen's house, but Monica was employed by Jen, and she was friends with Koa, who was employed by Jen.

So like, they were already in her house, I don't know why sitting across the street was important. I don't either. I mean, I will tell you something that I've learned about Monica this, this year, she loves a fucking disguise. Okay. She loves a cosplay. She loves a dress up moment. So, for all I know, she could have been in scarf mode for some other reason and then just like transitioned and you know, maybe that's like Maybe the pictures, maybe that was the thing, like this is her real house, this isn't the house that they show on the show, like maybe that, maybe that's what that was.

But again, like, what's wrong with that? It is kind of weird. And then, and then I found out valuable information through that, that most of these women rent houses, or a lot of the women rent houses for the show. So, and that I found, I found that to be very insightful. So actually, thank you, Monica, for your weird stakeout situation.

Yeah, thank you for your sir. Thank you for your service. Oh my God. And then of course, a lot of people are talking about the card switch at the, what you were talking about earlier at the perfume for the, for the dead. Shipwreck store or whatever. What? And people are like, Oh, well she switched cards. Yeah.

It sounds like she did. I don't know. I don't know why, like, I don't know that that's one of the lesser important TBDs for me. I don't know about you. She definitely switched cards, but I I mean, she is a housewife, but we also know she's not the wealthiest one in this cast. We know that she uses food stamps, so like, for her card to have been declined, it meant nothing to me.

There have been times when I went to a store and card number one was declined, so I used a different one. Seriously, same for me. Yeah. I don't know, I feel like people were trying to say it was like something I'm like, no, she's broke. I think that's kind of her whole story. Right. The mystery solved. Oh my goodness.

And I guess the only I'm trying, there was one more thing and I should have written it down. I want to know, and this will give you time to think. I want to know what word, um, Whitney made Heather take out of the book because when they're talking about that chapter Heather is like and I read it to you and the word you wanted me to take out I took out so I want to know what word it is I've I bet it was like vulva I bet it was like something yeah I bet it was something Just, I don't know, Heather, Heather gives me vulva, she gives me, she would say that, in some sort of, she doesn't, she wouldn't say, she wouldn't say butthole,

oh girl, what a mess, I want to know, and I really want to know, the timeline, and I, I know I keep harping on this, uh, but I want to know the timeline, of exactly which medications, and when Meredith took them, because, She was giving withdrawal on the plane because she was like shivering and stuff and that's like when stuff leaves your body But then she's slurring the rest of the the rest of the trip.

The whole time. The whole time So I'm very interested to see How the, honestly, I just want to know if we're ever going to like address that, if we're just going to be like, Oh, well, it's not heroin. So I guess. I feel like if this show goes on long enough, we will address it. Even if it's just production addressing it, you know, like the little ways we get Beverly Hills, like zooming in on Sutton's alcohol and background and stuff.

Even if these women are all protecting each other, I do think there will come a point when production is like, well, we're not a part of that. We'll zoom in on this empty Tylenol bottle with no labels in the background. Yeah. I guess that actually leads me to my big, my biggest question is what, what do they know?

And I think that what you said, that they all submitted things to this account. I think that that's a very solid theory that I had not thought about. And then, cause Monica says, Oh yeah, cause like Angie. What the hell?

What's going on with her is what I want to know because she was the only one who was Genuinely shocked and I was watching her like a hawk. I was like, oh this lady didn't know what the hell is going on They left her in the dirt. Yeah But then why didn't she have a credit card at that perfume store?

That's a good question so yeah, did they plan it but also like Angie, I, I don't, I don't posit to know what the hell goes on in that woman's head, she probably just forgot. That's true, you're right. But I mean, that's not to say I'm not, like, that I'm above thinking that she would have Hold something like that, because Heather would have done that.

True. And one doesn't necessarily mean the other. I think Angie could have been left in the dark about Reality Von Teese and everything that was going to happen on the beach. But, Heather could have said, don't bring your credit card when we go shopping today. And Angie said, okay. Like, sounds good. She didn't ask any questions.

She's like, I never went on the Bermuda. I'm like, girl, you're crazy. Oh my God. Did you have any final thoughts about this episode? Anything else that you are wondering, want to get off your chest or just thinking about in these Leading up because now we're in leading up to the reunion days, I cannot wait for the reunion.

First of all, um, I don't think I have any other thoughts on the episodes themselves. I saw on Twitter one where I used a lot of our Twitter talk to be negative. So there was a drag queen. I just saw before signing into this, um, recording a drag queen did. had the newspaper that Monica has in her photo shoot that says like the bridges I've burned are whatever behind me so she has that thing and then she rips it away and she's dressed as Monica and then she sings Rumors by Lindsay Lohan and I was like how did you do this turnaround in less than 48 hours and it's like intercut with Heather saying like the woman you know as Monica it's reality Von Teese it's so good Okay, you have to send that to me because when I was watching it, and I wanted to I keep forgetting to post it, but I used to be a Burlesque co producer of a troupe here in Atlanta, and the whole time I was like, What a great theme for a night of, like, Housewives recreations, you know, it's like having someone come and do a Dita Von T's routine in that lineup would be so fun, or even just recreating this season of Salt Lake City, if we weren't broader about it, it would be so fun, and I was going to post about it, but I'm It sounds like someone's already got it covered, so I don't have to do any work.

But really, and it's, and it's so funny because I am not a fan of, uh, of Dita Von Teese. I am not a fan of hers. Um, Just because, like, she contributes to, like, harmful body image in the burlesque community. It's kind of exactly opposite of what burlesque should be. It should be very body inclusive and diverse and, uh, she's not that.

And she also doesn't perform her own routines anymore. And she has, like, a lot of stage hands helping her with her peeling. I don't know why I'm going on this rant. I'm just saying I'm not a fan. Ha, And, um, so anyway, it ties into what we're talking about. It does. Uh, so, but I haven't thought so positively of her until the other day, is what I'm saying.

Mm hmm. Did you see what she posted? Oh, yeah, because, because of Monica using her picture. Yeah. Yeah. But she didn't send an actual cease and desist, right? Uh huh. Oh. She didn't send a cease and desist. Okay, cool. Um, I, I do have one more question, then I'll let you go, I know you're ready to go. Um, what do you think about Monica for next season?

Like, do you think that she should or shouldn't come back? Do you think that production's gonna tell her not to come back? Like, what is your What is your prediction? I would love if she came back. I also understand the power that housewives have. And if none of them want to hang out with her, we'll be in a tough spot.

Because that's basically what's happening on Potomac. Like, yes, their bodies are all there, but if Giselle's not talking to Wendy, and Wendy's not talking to Candace, and blah blah blah, or whoever, we don't get it. Any scenes. So I'm afraid that that is the direction we could go if Monica comes back. But after the reunion, Whitney started following Monica again on Instagram.

So I do feel like with enough money, these women would say like, Okay, yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, I do too. I think Heather's full of shit when she's like, I'm not gonna like Yes, you will. Because the same way that we have the Monica stans out here being like mother, she ate, whatever, people are doing the same thing for Heather, like thanking her for the season, which I think is a little bit of a stretch.

Think everybody pulled their weight. Okay. Um, but with her like acting and all of that, she now knows that the, the drama unhinged shit gets her attention and if there's one thing Heather Gay wants, it's fucking attention from Bravo. Yeah. So like she's going to do whatever it takes, but I think, I think I would, unlike say Raquel on Vanderpump Rules, I think.

It would make sense for, I would understand why production would say maybe not a good idea to bring Monica back. Whereas with Raquel I was like, no you gotta bring her back. She's gotta go back. Yeah. Um, but, so I would understand from a production standpoint like maybe this was too much or she was doing too much or she said or knew too much to bring her back.

But I think that would be also kind of dumb and they need to bring her back. But whether Monica wants to deal with it, it's a good question. I don't know. I think it'd be pretty, I do think it'd be pretty iconic if she was one and done, but also no one has said that. So. Right. I think she would come back, especially knowing that she's out here with credit cards that decline, like mama needs some money.

I do think she would return. And I think the difference with, um, This and Vanderpump Rules is there is still a story. There's not a story to be told without her in terms of this story. Like if she doesn't come back, there is no fallout. There was that account. The woman who ran it is gone. Let's just be friends again.

Whereas without Raquel, we still have Ariana and Tom. We still have all the friends, how they feel about Tom. There's still a story to be told without the sandwich. But I. Exactly, but I think without Monica, this story lines over completely. I agree. So if they know what's good for them and they don't want to suffer the, the atrocities of what they put on TV for us last season.

Okay. Then they will bring Ms. Monica Darnell Fowler Garcia carwash back, okay? They will do it. They will. Donnie, thank you so much for joining me. This was such a pleasure. I'm so glad that we were both in hysterics on Twitter at the same time. Talking about how are we going to talk about this on a pod.

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