Mourning Monica: RHOSLC Final Thoughts ft @whatisthishoney Podcast!!!

Get ready to dive into the icy world of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City! Emily Rose and Brandon C, the dynamic voice  behind the "What is this Honey?" podcast, cozy up for a reflection on the incredible fourth season. They reflect on the reunions, Monica's performance, unanswered questions, Heather's hypocrisy, and what to expect in the  fifth season!

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Transcript

  Hello, hello, hello, this is Who the Fuck Knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose, coming to you all today from the Sultry setting of my bed and I have a wonderful guest in a very similar position to talk all things Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunions, Brandon of the What Is This Honey podcast. What is going on?

Oh, honey, everything. And also you guys, we decided we might want to approach you in a very different way this episode as we are so cozy and comfy. But then I'm like, are they going to fall asleep? I know. I'm like, I kind of want to, did you guys have, did you grow up with Delilah on the radio? I know Delilah.

I was, I was raised, um, in North Carolina, so I had a lot of, uh, gospel. Being played, but I do know, I do know Delilah, Delilah, well, Delilah will put you to sleep, but I think it's going to be hard to put the people to sleep with what we're talking about tonight because we are going to be talking kind of about the reunions, kind of about the season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as a whole.

And the last time we talked was, it was in early December, so not really mid season. And we hadn't seen The finale yet. And so I really haven't gotten to have you. Oh my goodness. Receipts, timelines, proof, records. I don't know. She's like social security cards, passports. What an explosive season. If everyone listened, if you haven't caught up.

Sorry, because we're going to talk about everything. Oh, right, right, right. Spoiler warning for the entire season, all of the reunions and, um, my thoughts on Twitter, because I must start out saying I'm so disappointed that Monica is gone and here's the thing before the people start to slash my tires and throw bricks through my windows.

Oh my God. We'll get there. I just think after such.

It was nice to have someone on the show who was like, just being a good housewife, like bringing things up, having a dramatic backstory, being super chaotic. Should she have brought up the reality of Antise earlier? She should have brought it up before they found out about it. I think. Yeah, sure. There definitely should have been, um, maybe like a party where she threw and was like, hey, by the way.

Yeah. And let them respond to it. Yeah. But I just think the way that it happened, it just felt, it felt bad. Yeah, I mean like, I, honestly like a coming out party would be very on brand for her. Right. So I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure why she didn't do that, but you are correct. And something that I just wanted to point out as we mourn her, uh, Presence on the show for this next season.

She was great casting. No matter. I don't, you know, there's a lot that people have said, like, one of the things that I think is interesting that the girls like Heather, the women, Heather, all of them women, sorry, guys, the women, the women, they keep acting like it was insane, like she was a bad choice or like, She, I can't stand them keeping, to keep saying, Oh, well, she's schemed and plotted to get on the show.

Didn't all of you? Doesn't anyone? I don't understand. The only people that I understand where they're, where someone like Lisa Barlow, because Lisa Barlow is legit. Well, yeah. Annoying as she is, like, I can understand why someone like Lisa Barlow might be like, Excuse me? Yeah. However, Heather Gay, my darling.

Oh my god. You are the same as Monica, like you guys are the same level and she was thinking about tarnishing the legacy of the housewives. I think Monica probably should have done differently in terms of PR. Don't shit where you eat, right? So let's not say what everyone's thinking as an influencer turned housewife or as like a burner account turned housewife, because I do think that's badass.

Like, I think that's cool. And she's not even rich. Like, she's not even like, she just found a way. And, um. I've been seeing a lot online, I've been seeing a lot of people talk about Jenny and how Lisa Barlow says that everyone deserves forgiveness and a second chance. Right. And now it's like, no, but Monica has to go.

Right. When Jenny, not only, not only was she, or is she racist, but she really wasn't good casting and really didn't bring any to the show, anything to the show. Exactly. And, like, I think that her, like, main storyline was about Was it about wanting her husband, wanting to have sister wives, wives, right?

Because she almost died in childbirth and he did not care. He's like, well, you're not going to have another baby. I want another one. And so I'll marry someone else and then we'll have another baby. Yeah. That's the people that are supporting, you know, certain ways of life. That's also just not super to me is not super compelling.

Cause it's not very relatable. Whereas Monica, right, she is, she's honestly so relatable to me that I'm taking, I'm doing what I'm always saying I should like don't do, especially when it comes to like Vanderpump rules and I'm taking everything online really personally because I just feel like to me I can see her trajectory so clearly and to me it's just not that crazy.

Like, because I've been looking for a job for a very long time and my current role is as an executive assistant, but I started as a personal assistant and I, I can, I see all the time in Atlanta postings for like personal assistant, uh, house manager, executive assistant to confidential. And you can kind of tell by the location and the description.

You know, a lot of times they'll say, it's a celebrity. And, child, if I This is why I don't get these jobs. And I'm not looking for them, so it's okay. But if I ain't got to be an assistant for someone with a certain amount of fame. If, like, Candy Burris posted looking for an assistant, I ended up being Candy Burris assistant.

And then I had an opportunity to be on the show. Of course you'd take it. I would take it. Is that crazy? I thought that that was like very normal for especially this group of the caliber of women we're talking about. I think that they really are talking about the fact that Monica comes from the other side of town.

Yeah. Because she's single. She doesn't have like a ginormous mansion. She's, you know, whatever. She's got all these crazy issues with her mom. Um, that those are the things that endear me to Monica because she's real. Like, she's got this very complicated, like relationship with her family. She's made a lot of mistakes.

She's owning them. And my thing is like, she talked openly about having an affair with her brother in law, all the mistakes that she's made, all the things that's going on with her mom, and they are going to freak out about. Reality Von Tease. The like, most low rent shit talking account for a franchise that Is not the most popular nor was it really the most thriving I guess because this was free arrest and a lot of the hype came after the arrest so it's just um and I've seen the replacements that they're putting baby way to go y'all oh are people what do you mean oh oh oh there's new cast members for the casting oh my god I saw one today I saw a slide deck just today Trying to get me to give a shit.

I'm like I saw someone from someone who's, who's no doubtedly named Brindley posted. You guys keep asking for representation. So and so and so and so is Filipina. Okay. And guess what was her subtext the way that I just said it? Probably not, but that's the way I took it. Yeah, no, no, no. That's the tone. That is the tone for all of it.

You guys keep asking. And I'm like, first of all, I don't care. Let's just make it very, very clear. I don't give a damn. If you guys want to do the black housewives and then the white housewives and then the housewives, I don't give a shit, but they must be compelling. Yes. And that is what you're missing.

And what we've seen in places like Miami, where the cast is completely unintentionally diverse. Yes. You see that the show is better. Because it's, because it's natural because, and because their relationships are natural. Right. I think that does help as well. It's not, they, they, they have casts that are super, um, Cohesive and um, it's not produced like Potomac right now is really suffering because I'm like, Ooh, you guys actually don't like each other.

None of you. Yeah. And really truly like, and that's what was wrong with Salt Lake City last season. Yeah. The women did not fucking like each other. And the way that they, the whole season, by the way, and I do want to get into your thoughts about this. The whole season really shined this season to me because of how they started off.

And we kind of got like, I think in the first two episodes, we got a bunch of asides and like sit downs between everybody that was beefing, which was everybody, uh, clearing their clearing the air and starting fresh. It was so chaotic last season because nobody fucked with each other. Nobody was trying to, you know, have a conversation.

It was all over the place. The audience didn't understand what was going on because they couldn't be honest about half of their issues because of Jen. And because somebody, not going to name names, somebody was out here in the streets lying their ass off about everything, literally. And it made it difficult to watch.

So this season having this kind of come to Jesus moment with everybody and then to cast somebody again That is has a genuine relationship to the cast This is not somebody that they plucked out of nowhere, you know her her involvement with with Jen Shaw They know who Monica was all of them know that they know who Monica was so to me Just all around, Monica was a great casting choice, and I went to a panel really quick at Savannah College of Arts and Design.

They did like a reality TV show panel day. And it was really interesting, but what sucked for me was that it was really geared towards The college kids, but they advertised it like it was like an event that they were hosting, not so much that it was like a seminar for their students. And when I got there, it, you know, the kids that are in college right now do not fuck with Bravo or these shows the way that we do or the way that I do.

And none of them knew what the fuck was going on. I heard several of them talking about how they hate reality TV. Um, a bunch of them were only there because. Uh, Georgia kind of shut down for a couple of days because of the weather and so a bunch of them were there to make up a credit, uh, for the days that they were shut down.

So oh my God, uh, uh, Hofton, uh, what is her name? She's the, she's the, one of the EPs or like owners of truly original production. She was there. Yes, yes. Yes. Oh no. That's so rude. And no one, first of all. No one's asking any relevant questions about Potomac or Atlanta because nobody watches those shows and nobody, I didn't realize that Truly was behind, um, Summer House Martha's Vineyard, which I really enjoyed.

And no one knew what it was. Like I, I went up to her and I said, I really enjoyed Martha's Vineyard, by the way. I think that you guys really did something good with that, um, spinoff. And there was a crowd of like five or six girls around me. And she goes, she says to me, it's so good. Right. And then she turns to crouches like, are any of y'all watching?

None of them, none of them were watching. So anyway, at one point, one of the kids stands up for a Q& A and she's like, So, if I'm, like, an actress and a comedian, what would you say would make me a good candidate to be on reality television? And the panelists were kind of just like, Well, you have to be interesting.

And We can kind of tell when someone's acting and I think that that's just important to think about going forward let's get some interesting people and Monica might have been acting But she did a damn good job. Well that's the thing, I really don't think she was. I don't either. I think Monica, the way that Heather was describing it, and they're like, you're making a mockery.

I think Monica, out of all of them, actually really cared and wanted to be there. Yeah. And was hoping to like, have some sort of connection. And I think it's weird. It is definitely strange. To have any sort of like Bravo fan account and not bring it up to Bravo people, especially when you're now, you know, colleagues with them or Monica, this is my only my only note for you this season, fucking fuck, why did you still have the account open, right?

If you knew you were applying. It didn't have them. But here's the thing. I have a little teeny account. Right? So if I just said, oops, I'm over it, deleted it, it at this point, no one would know. I mean, I don't know how many followers reality Von T's. It was like in the thousands before. I think it was like 5000, which is, you know, Well, it's more than me, but that's not that's a lot of posts, you know, that's like, yeah, so I don't know I just think it's like there's a difference between just doing something for fun and actually creating an internet presence and having like a following and Then getting, getting in the, the, that seems opportunistic.

I will give the ladies that like, it does seem like, Oh, she's just the psychotic maniac who planned and has been stalking us and who wants to be in this thing because she really, the whole time was just a troll. Um, and don't get me wrong, y'all. I do understand the difference between like my page and troll accounts.

Yeah, I do understand the difference, um, because you're never going to find like, what is this honey podcast or even the Brennan Curry Instagram under someone's comments talking shit. Now, back in 2011, 2014, you might have seen me fighting people in the comments, but she has grown, she has evolved. Um, so yeah, Monica missed opportunity for Monica and missed opportunity for Bravo.

Cause if Monica could have held that. And had the power on the spin of that, she would have been one of the most iconic housewives in history. I agree. She was so good for TV. Volvo. Oh my god, Volvo. Fucking mom. Her family. Compelling. Like, I, compelling. The, the generational trauma. Her daughter who was like such a, I know, her daughter who was like a grown ass adult.

Truly raising her siblings. And her. And raising her mother. And grandma. Well. And Volvo. Yeah. And Volvo. It's just, it's, she. She. She. I don't know let's, let's dive into a couple of the other cast members just for a second because I think that it's important to when we're talking about Monica to talk about the other cast members at large and kind of how the reunion played out because after what was a really a one season there's not an episode.

There was maybe like two episodes that I thought weren't interesting until like the second half. But I truly watched every single episode and thought it was One of their best seasons for sure. Yeah. And then the reunion happened, and I really like did you like what was your favorite part of the reunion?

I'm gonna just say this. Okay, say it. Did you notice how at the in the part three, the ladies are going off, receipts, timelines, proof, all this bullshit, and Whitney just stops talking. Yes. Now, Mary Cosby did just call her a racist. Yeah, she had to kind of sit down for a second. Now here's the thing about Mary.

Mary is, she's absolutely insane, but I understand her. Now, this might just be because I'm also a black American, but when she says to me, you grew up in the Mormon church, you are like a blonde bimbo. Of course you're racist. I don't think she's saying that, like, Whitney goes around screaming out the M word and, like, won't let her kids play with Black children.

I think what she's trying to say in a not, like, academic way is that, like, you have inherent biases, whether you like it or not, and you have grown up in a specific bubble. Like, your life is a product of racism. I'm, I'm, I loved Whitney's response. Yeah, it was like, I was like, wow, Whitney, this is actually you showing your healing, your healing journey and how, you know, um, mature you are and, and how you can get to the bottom of it.

Because then I think at the end, they could sort of understood, but with the point and Heather, you know, speaking about the Mormon church being racist AF, two different heavens, a surface entrance to heaven, y'all, that should let you know the religion ain't right as. At all. And then you have Barlow over there.

No, it's not. It's not. It's not like that. Bitch, yes it is. Where have you been? And this is not the first time it's been brought up on this show. Lisa? Because apparently she's not a Mormon. Like, they say, Lisa, you're not, you're not actually a Mormon, are you? She's not a Mormon. And it's fine. I'm, I'm like, who the fuck is this pressed about being But they're like going off on Monica and Whitney is absolutely silent.

And I think Whitney is us. Whitney is the millennial on the cast who is like a fan of the show also. And on it, there's no way she's not a fan of the show. She didn't watch up, grow up watching housewives. Sorry. Yeah. She's totally a housewife watcher. I could feel her being us and being like, Oh no. In the words of Whitney, damn, damn, she would be like, oh damn, and we're going to lose Monica.

And, um, it's hard to find people like that. But I think my favorite part of the And I really don't like Mary Cosby that much, you guys. Like I'm not a Mary Stan. I just, there's something about, we all need to learn how to not care as much as Mary doesn't give a fuck. She does not give a fuck. She don't care, even like, she'll eat her humble pie.

Like, she was like, listen, I said this shit about you, Heather, and you look great tonight. So you showed me. Yeah. Like, even that, I'm like, okay, that's nice. And I think that that's what we're missing in the Housewives. That the ladies, because they famous now. The ladies have too much ego and too much pride, and they forget that like, y'all, it's like, it's fun.

It is. It's supposed to be. Let's argue at a child's birthday party like they're doing on Married to Medicine. Yes. They actually did it. They actually argued at a child's birthday party too, in Salt Lake City. That's true. They did. They did. So they have it in them. Whose party was that? Uh, uh, Whitney's daughter.

And she was like, All jacked up on Mountain Dew or whatever. Yes. Can you recall the days of just absolutely feeling like you're going to vomit from all the candy and the Mountain Dew? Yeah, I, so, the reunion was interesting. I liked part two a lot and I don't even really remember why. I just remember watching part two a couple of times and thinking it was really funny.

I think Well, I definitely think that Mary's presence elevated it a bit because she really doesn't give a fuck, especially if it doesn't directly affect her, like she's not clocked in, but when she, she feels offended, she really clocks in. And I think, wait, also speaking of Mary, isn't her son like charged with a crime right now and they like didn't bring it up at the reunion.

I don't know that he's charged with a crime, but he, um, is very involved in the possession and, uh, alleged, uh, consuming of substances and possession of guns. If we're to assume that he is in possession of all of the guns and drugs that he posts on Instagram. Oh, and he posted it in the name of Jesus on Instagram, the guns.

Yeah. That's how you, y'all, I'm gonna tell you right now, that's how you know somebody ain't right. At all. A real thug, a real gangster, is not posting that shit on Instagram. Never in a million motherfucking years post their guns and they fucking merchandise on the world wide web. And people, I mean, there was an element, cause he's like 20, I think, or 21.

And they're, and I work with high schoolers and I have to constantly be on their Instagrams because they are constantly doing stupid shit on the internet because they didn't have the fear of God put in them for the internet. And someone was telling me like, TikTok is not about quality. It's about quantity.

Just post everything. I was like, I can't do that. I literally can't though. I have to curate everything. I'm an Instagram girl. I really do. Sorry. It's the millennial in me. I think so. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess it's alleged except that. It was on his Instagram, but I guess I can't prove, I mean, I can prove that he had the drugs on his tongue because he's literally out here with the pills and everything, like.

Oh my God. Yeah, look it up, it's fascinating, but what it tells me is that if you live in the same wing as your mom's house and you're doing all of this, like. Mary, you need to check in on your son. You need to find out if he's married. Okay. Or kick him out if it's bothersome to you because he's doing a lot, but it's also kind of like rich kid shit, like spoiled, can get access to anything.

Like he's the only black person in the richest neighborhood in Salt Lake. I mean, truly. And then his girlfriend's all, or his wife, I guess is all, it's just, it's very, it's Messy as hell, and I need her to check in on her family. I don't know, I don't know that Robert Sr. is, we don't know where he is or if he's alive, like, I don't know.

Robert Sr. is with Shelley Miscavige. Truly, truly. There, we're not gonna find him. No. We're not gonna find him, y'all. Her house of horrors. That is where Robert Singer is, over there to the Shelly Miscavige Center for Girls. Girl. And, no, Mary, but this is why I love Mary, because Mary will absolutely call you inbred while her son is in the basement shooting guns and taking tablets of acid in front of his Instagram live.

In front of, and that really, that's Mary for you, if you had any questions. While she's writing the sermon for the Bible study that's going to take place tomorrow night. Right, while she's thinking of a way to, uh, chastise an entire congregation for not making her richer. That's like, what she's up to. And for that, I am obsessed with her, and I think that that's quite iconic because men have done it for years, and I think it's just time for girls to have a chance.

Yes, yes. To sustain the The power of women. The benefits of patri the patriarchy. Speaking of the power of women, can we talk a little bit about the evolution of Ms. Heather Gay? Because I have thoughts. I have thoughts. I don't know where you started or ended with her, but I started in a very dark place.

Okay, so it took me a while to get there, but when I got there, which was last season, I have not come out of that place. I did not spend the season like A lot of people were like, she's really redeemed herself. And I just have a thirsty, she is very thirsty. And I, I kept in one, you know, non black and dye on her all season.

Cause I was like, she's, this is speaking of curation, this is curated. She's every this way. Every part of Heather's. So this is the thing about Heather that I actually like. I like that she understands that this is her job. Right. And that she needs to show up, and she needs to talk about things, and she needs to be open, and she needs to be dramatic, and she needs to cry, and she needs to freak out.

Yes. That, I love. When I first met Heather, when I first met Heather, who I've never seen in a day in my life, um, When we were introduced to Heather in season one, Heather was making a lot of comments about, like, Black men, and. How she's like the one in town who will do anything and she's got friends all over town and she sleeps with these people and I'm like, are you fetishizing people?

What's going on? And then I realized Heather's thirsty. She's a person from an isolated community. And she really, really wants to break free. Yeah, that is endearing was me at one point in my life. So that endeared me to her. But then we went on the ultimate girl's trip with Heather. Don't fucking remind me.

I forgot about that shit. And, um, I realized that there's a reason why people don't like thirsty people because there is a limit. And at some point after you, the thirst, then you get confidence, right? And, you know, in the words of RuPaul, you step your pussy up and then you become one of the, one of the ladies.

You don't, you don't stay a fan for the whole. And I think what Heather wanted was for Monica to be more like her and be like, I'm a fan. I'm so like obsessed with you guys and grateful that I get to be here the way. And what is this thing? Why is it always? And I'm not a white lady. This is why I'm asking you.

Oh, that's okay. Let me try my best with like, I know I deserve. Actually this, like, I'm just going to tell everyone that I'm just so grateful to be here and like, I am just so happy to even be included and I'm like, why? I don't know. I have a huge haven't I have a huge issue with like the community of grateful or the like, I don't, I personally don't feel like just to be grateful for everything, especially if what you're being given is not A reflection of the work that you're putting in or the, you know, Time and effort.

Yeah. Which is the same as work. I just feel like I'm grateful to God. That is who I'm grateful to. I'm grateful to the Lord Jesus Christ, but I will not be grateful to you people. To y'all. That's the thing. Like, I feel like they want, Heather wants them to, they, they wanted their asses kissed. Yes, they really did.

And You know,

you cut out. Oh my God.

Oh, I was literally still talking. I was literally still just jammering, jibbering and jabbering. Literally just a talking, uh, went away, but you were still like, it looked like you were still like, Oh my God, no, I fully got up to open the door for my cat. Oh, great. But anyway, yeah, no, the ask history and cause I just want everyone to know like gratitude is amazing every day I'd wake up and I'd, I'd say things that like, I'm grateful for at least big, small, you know, things that have happened in the past, things that are going to happen in the future.

Right. But I think that sometimes it's used as a tool by certain people. To pin others into a space where they have to do things that they don't want to do. Right. Um, because they should just be happy to be there. Right. And that's the vibe that it's been giving from Miss Heather. Well, and some people use gratefulness or, um, telling people to be grateful as a manipulation tool.

Mm hmm. Or a power control, um, or a control tactic, excuse me. Just because they want. To continue to be maybe, maybe oppressive is too, too great a word in this certain circumstance, but they want to keep people in their place because they feel like they're above you and they feel like they can treat you any way or give you, you know, less than what you deserve.

And so they say, Oh, well, you should just be grateful that you have anything at all. And like, no. Yeah, I, yeah, it's like, no, baby, like you said, not to maybe to God. Yes. I'm grateful to God for my, for my African soul. Okay. I'm grateful to the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm not grateful to you, to you men. Can I tell you, I was visiting my husband this weekend.

He was at a convention for cardiac, cardiac, cardiac. Thoracic something surgeons. He was meeting these surgeons and they were all showing them all their little tools to save all you fuckers lives. Mhm. Oh, don't curse. Okay. Sorry, honey. And I was really pissed off at one point because first of all, we were Texas.

God bless every one of you who live there because there's just like a lot going on and we, we go to our hotel to have drinks and no one is sitting down in this whole row of chairs because it's in front of the TV and there's like football on which like I'm from New York. Oh my God. I'm not from New York, actually.

I'm from North Carolina, but I've lived in New York almost longer than I did. So I'm like, I've lived in New York for too long. I was like, we're going to go sit there. And everyone that was with me was like, wait, what? And I was like, we're going to go sit there. It's an empty seat. And these guys like, kind of like threw a little fit of like, we're watching this game.

I literally was like, watch it on your phone. Stand up for what's right. Yes. Stand up and also stand up for yourself. Yes. And don't kiss anyone's ass. Okay, so Heather, we're not doing ass kissing. That's so 2023. 2024, we're not kissing anyone's ass. We're not wanting people to kiss our ass. And that's how you got in the dumbass situation you're in with Jen Shaw now, Heather.

You were kissing her ass and that whole situation too is so, ugh. Trash. I just, it's trash. And I honestly. Go ahead. Go ahead. I just, uh, Heather, the credibility level is very low with you right now. And for you to be on this high horse about Monica, I think for a lot of the ladies, including Heather and Lisa, it's a distraction tactic.

If we focus on Monica right now, then we don't have to, you know, fear the heat being on them because. One thing about Reality Bounties is they were talking about some shit that was apparently really not okay as far as like Labor and employees being mistreated and all this stuff and it wasn't just Jen.

No. So Maybe that's why they wanted to get her out of there because she knows things. That's exactly I I'm willing to bet all of the money I don't have She Monica knows things And Mary knows things. Okay? And for whatever reason, maybe Mary knows more, or, uh, has more power, or maybe there's a supply that her son is tapping into, that the ladies also tap into, that Mary's able to give them.

I don't know. I don't know what the deal is. But I think that these women all have shady practices and things. In fact, it's interesting, because I was thinking about it, I was like Going down the line, and like you said, Whitney, in general, at the reunion, was the most quiet, I think, for the, except for when it was between her and Mary, she really didn't say a whole lot, from what we saw, and, I kind of, was wondering, is that because she has the most secrets to keep, or is she actually maybe the, The one with the least amount of secrets.

Cause the rest of them were really carrying on. Like, Lisa and Heather were really carrying the fuck on. The entire time. And it just made me feel like they really didn't want Monica to say what she needed to say. You know? And I don't even know what Monica had to say. Cause then she brought out the damn burn book and about broke my heart.

That was so Cringe. Pinch and didn't make, it didn't, it was, it didn't land the way she thought it was going to land for sure. And, um, I think Whitney isn't a really, you know, me just personally, I think she's, she might be in a bit of a compromising situation because I think she, she probably would not mind if Monica stayed.

Yeah. No, I think she might have the least secrets, like yeah, all of her out there. Um, but I think that she would, you know, If she could have someone come on, then they wouldn't have to deal with Mary because I think that everyone kind of was ready for Mary to go anyway. Yeah, they didn't want her back.

Yeah, so hopefully she's done. Um, we should send her on an ultimate girl ship with Ramona Singer. That would be No, because I Epic. My heart wouldn't be able to take it. When I tell you they're the most deplorable women on television, and they remind me of each other so much, like the way that they make me uncomfortable is the exact same kind of way.

I feel like Mary would be, would be great for Ramona. I feel like Mary would have Ramona, like, swimming home from Thailand. I feel like Ramona would respect her. Oh, she'd have no choice. She would level, she'd flatten her. Um, so, yeah, I mean Um, and, and, and also what's that lady's name? Meredith. Oh, Meredith.

Meredith was sort of despondent. Can we talk please about, wait, everything I say from here on out is alleged. Um. Taken from other blogs, not originating here. Not originating here. It was in Minecraft. Okay. Meredith is on a lot of pills. Oh, I'm sure. She's, she's pilled out. Oh, and that scene. When they were in, when they were on the trip or whatever, and she's, like, coming down from something, and, like, the shivering, and the cold, and the hot, and the unable to keep awake, and then she's passed out in her bed, and she's got out, like, she was really fucked up on that trip.

And it's not like, I'm not judging, but I just kind of thought it was interesting, I guess maybe the reality von Teese of it all overshadowed it. But we really should have gotten into that because she was, she's been all season the, the pills and the slurring and, and the, that. The rumors, the rumors and the nastiness has been really over the top, in my opinion.

Well, I'll give her this. The slurring could be from five martinis instead of three. That's true. That's definitely true. But the. Withdrawal symptoms. I didn't think about it that just thought it was like a short flu, but like, no, it wasn't even 24 hours. Like she just. I know I've been there. I've been where she is.

I was like, I was, I was like, yeah, no, that's, um, you're, you're coming down off of something, uh, serious. And I was just like, my God, we're not going to talk about it. But I mean, to be fair to her again, she rallied. She rallied and she did what she needed to do. So. Maybe it was the flu, maybe, I don't know anything, but it, it looked really uncomfortable.

She's definitely, um She's, she's, she's skated by this season, I'll say that for Meredith Marks. She, she got off pretty easy this year. Do you think that she still had anything to do with any of the online? Absolutely. Okay, I do too. I think she is, she's in some cahoots to it. I think Monica was a great distraction, but I think that the reason why she didn't want to say too much is because She maybe has a reality von Teese of her own, and maybe Monica knows that.

Yes, I was wondering that too, like, I was trying to put together why it would benefit Mon Cause I really believe that she has shit on all of them, even if it's just a little bit. Right. And I was trying to figure out, like, why would it benefit Monica to not expose them? And in Meredith's case, truly for, like, allyship, I suppose, when it comes to Meredith.

Because I think that Meredith, I mean, why would, why would the women have that kind of serious conviction about Meredith if there was no fire where the smoke was? You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, or, yeah, I think even if it wasn't specific to that circumstance, maybe Monica knew something about, you know, Meredith being a little bit of a sneaky.

Information leaker. Oh, um, a little bit of a sneaky information linker leaker, or in cahoots with certain blogs or in cahoots with certain, because we obviously know that they are like, I see certain people, people that I even like, like, LOL that I follow. And I'm like, Oh, you endorsed Lisa Barlow. All the time because she talks to you guys back online or tells you things or invites you to screenings or whatever it is.

Yeah. And it's easy to fall prey to that. Um, because when Monica like reposts or hearts or laughs at my posts, I'm, I'm really flattered. Yeah, of course. And I, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I think we have to keep that in mind. Right. I also have to like keep a level head when it comes to things that come out about her because she is.

A little tricky. I like it. I like to, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm trying this new thing in the new year where I'm just letting things be what they are. Yeah. And I'm not trying to make reality TV, you know, masterpiece theater, because I can go watch that too. Yes. As soon as I'm done with an hour of reality TV. And I'm not gonna try to, um, make the people inside these reality TV shows, heroes or villains.

They're just. Characters in the soap opera. Yeah. And that's, and they living their lives and that's what they're gonna do. And, and I'm gonna do the same thing, . And that's, that actually is really good advice because I would, um, the way that I would not put Monica on a pedestal right now, obviously, I also would not put Heather on a pedestal.

I think that she has. Um, evil potential, like master villain, but not as interesting as Monica potential. So I, I mean, the thing about this cast is that they're all really deplorable people, but that's why I enjoy them. That's why I want to watch them go about their lives, like pretend, like unaware that they are some of the worst people.

Certainly in their community, but I mean on television and I think that's really interesting. Um, but I do think that this, I, what do you think, I guess the best question to like wrap everything up. What do you think is going to happen for season five? Like, where do we go from here? We've already talked about this, these casting, these people.

And how do you think the show's gonna survive or suffer without Monica? I am not very hopeful for Salt Lake City, and I think that's okay. I think they might be entering their, uh, Real Housewives of Dallas pause. Ooh, yeah? Yeah, I think they're going to have another season if these new ladies aren't giving us what we need to get and what I don't need to get are people who are like, you know, gun toting multiple wives having, you know, fighting for brothers of freedom, like that's not.

What we need y'all, we need fabulous gowns, we need stunning beauties who have big opinions and even bigger hair. And so I don't need to see like, I would love a fun season. I would love a season of them being like, Oh, let's go to Tokyo. Um, and like, or like, I don't know, more of the people like Lisa Barlow who are doing things is knowing who are out there doing things.

I definitely want to see. People that I would love to, like, focus a little less on the families and a little more on careers. Yeah. Um, for me, that's way more, again, word of the night, compelling. Uh, to see these women thriving in their careers, and the problem is that, like, Whitney didn't really have a, Loki didn't have a career, and then, I really believe that Beauty Lab and Laser has some shady practices going on, so we really can't dive into that.

Um, That's another thing too, she's like, you, you sue everyone, you're suing me, and it's like, Heather. Beauty Lab fucked up your Botox. Yep. She's just now getting her face. Baby, I was thinking the same. The only thing your face is only just now looking back, right? Because season two, she had the like jowls put in or whatever.

Yes. And I was like, Heather, but now it makes sense. It's like smooth. It's been smoothed out. Yeah. Um, but I don't know. Doing all of those things to my, my, my faucet. ami, I don't know. , I don't know. Couldn't be me. I'm like, I don't know if I'm down. Like a little shot here and there, but like right. Contouring the entire new face.

No, you're not, you're not Kylie Jenner, Heather. Oh, and poor Kylie. Poor Kylie, with the, the like, migrating filler, or whatever the hell that is, implant, whatever it is, in her, in her cheeks, and her face is melting off, and her damn ass is dripping, it's just I saw a photo of her, and the fashion was so, so good, and the styling, the hair, everything was good, but I was like Oh my god, you look like you're my age.

Yeah. And I'm not, oh my god, and please like, if I was like famous, people would hear me saying this and they'd be like, you're being, shaming her, she can do whatever she wants. I'm not shaming her. No. I just said she looked insanely fabulous, everything was on point, but I just, I can't help but notice that like, she does look a bit swollen.

Yes. And it looks like it's starting to set, like, it's like drooping. It is. No, it's literally like shifting in her face and drooping and falling off and it's, it's alarming. Falling off lol. She's at the house of wax. The house of wax, exactly. And her Tussauds doll is starting to melt. Um, yeah, I mean, God bless her.

Heather, that's gonna be you if you're not careful. Well, at least Heather's already like in her 50s. That's true. Or 40. Did I just age her? I'm not trying to be rude. I just am, I think. I actually have no idea how old Heather Gay is. She's in her forties, I think. Gotta be, right? Cause I saw photos of Heather when she was young and I was like, why did you start doing stuff to your face?

You were so pretty. Right! She was, she was very cute. And like, I could still see that in there. So like, what, what's going on? I don't know. But I guess if you're like leaving Mormon, the Mormon church and you're trying to start on your own and you're like, I really like aesthetics, I'm going to try them.

Yeah. Gotta know the business. I mean, she still had access to, like, magazines and trends and stuff. You know, whatever, whatever, whatever makes Heather happy, if she wants to hate Mormonism and then constantly talk about it and constantly, Incessantly. And constantly still adhere to some of the traditions whilst, Talking about how bad she wants her daughters to have sex.

That is fine with me. If that is how you feel, Heather, that is how you feel. But I am not going to trust you ever again. And, oh, one last thing. One last thing. Yeah, we're not gonna trust Heather ever again because we never did, actually. Well, yeah, no, no, for sure. This Black Eye thing, I'm over it. I'm over it.

I still don't believe her story. I think it's very weird to go on Watch What Happens Live and be like, Well, at least Jen Shah was being herself when she was robbing people and punching me in the face. It's like Why are you so mad? She's mad that I think she's mad that Monica's pretty. I don't know what she's mad about.

I really don't. I think it's the fact that like Monica has the sauce. Yes, and she became the fan favorite. Yeah, and it was, and she didn't have to try. She just did it being herself. Um, so yeah, and, and Heather struggled for years. Feeling like she had to justify her spot at the table, but Monica just came in and like, did the job well, which I think it's like various, which is very symbolic of our country not to get political, but like, whatever.

It's very symbolic of our country and where we are at the moment because there's an old guard. And they think that they're so progressive and they're so forward thinking, but a lot of them are really afraid of change and forward momentum and things looking different. How is it that Salt Lake City are only in their, what, what was this, the fifth season?

Fourth season. Fourth season? Yeah. There's not even a culture established yet, Heather. There isn't even a legacy for you guys to have. Right. So. So why are you so. Because, because, of all of this talk of being a fan and letting a fan onto the show and fan, fan, fan, bitch, you are, you are the fan. Of all feathers.

Of all fans. You and Genshaw are the two people that people for years have been saying. Are fans of the Housewives to a point where it is cringe. So you being mad that Monica was a fan, and that Monica used her connections, I I don't understand why people keep saying it. From what I understood, Monica met Jen because Monica's husband, like, worked on Jen's house or worked for, um, Coach or something like that.

And that's how she met Jen. Found out that she was hiring for assistance. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. She was a fan. That's okay. Do we want to watch the show? I don't get it. Can we find people who've never heard of these shows? Like, and like, I understand these, like you said about the kids who you at SCAD, but even then they're hearing about the show, right?

You know what I mean? So it's like,

you know, I don't know. It's just, it's just wild. It's, it's almost as wild. And you know, I thought, I know that you said you were going to end it. No, go for it. But we, we're gonna leave the, we're gonna leave these Salt Lake bitches, lol, not me calling them bitches, sorry girls. I didn't mean to call you bitches, I was just being like, haha, like Sierra Miller, like calling Lindsay Hubbard a bitch, like, sorry bitch.

Sorry bitch. Um, there has been a whirlwind of chaos and drama and animosity from Nicki Minaj. lol. And the last 96 hours. It's exhausting. Yeah. And I don't even need to go into all of the details because I'm sure every single person who is listening to this knows exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah. All I'm going to say is that is not the energy that we want.

Going into 2024, because that is like, I feel very reminiscent to this vibe of like the old guard not being able to handle their position and like their insecurities getting the best of them. Yes. And, um, we just don't need that. And as fans of these people, be it housewives or. Nikki. This is why we don't put people on a pedestal.

Mm hmm. Because then we look just as crazy as they do. If not, some of them, some of us, some of us, get even crazier. In defending the actions and words of these people, and we don't want to, it's not cute in 2024. No, we did that, we did that before, it didn't go well, we're moving on, we, uh, we pray for your forgiveness and for your holy presence to forgive us.

Like, I'm praying for, I'm praying for Salt Lake City fans. The barbs, um, Katie Maloney stands on Vanderpump Rules, I'm praying for you, um, Selena Gomez, Selenators. The Selenators, oof. It's tough out here, the Swifties, all of you. Yeah, you guys all deserve. A pat on the back, but that's it and you can pat your own self on the back.

So do it now. And that's the piece that you're going to get from, from me and the girls over here. Okay. All the girls. Well, Brandon, thank you so much for joining me to do this cute little bedtime, kiki, cozy slumber party, vibes, recap, and ending to maybe the greatest season of Salt Lake. City will ever have.

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