PUMP RULES s11 Premiere RECAP Pt 1 ft@vanderpodrecaps (Viall Files, Rachel Goes Rogue, Ariana in Chicago, & more!)

Join Emily Rose & Lyndsay of @vanderpodrecaps as they embark on a *Three Hour Tour* of the Vanderpump Rules Season 11 Premiere! In part 1,  they discuss all the surrounding events of VPR, including Schwartz & Sandoval on the Viall Files, Rachel Leviss' TWO new eps of Rachel Goes Rogue, feelings about James Kennedy, gossip from Kristen Doute's podcasts AND MORE!! Be sure to tune in for pt 2 where they dive into the full recap! 

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Transcript

 Hello, hello, hello. Goddamn, goddamn. Welcome back, everyone. Listen up. So, I did this amazing recap of Vanderpump Rules Season 11, Episode 1, the premiere, with the incredible Lindsey of Vanderpod Recaps. I know you guys were excited for me to have her back on. And we talked for over three hours. So, I asked you guys on Instagram, do you guys want me to cut it up or do you want me to leave it like it is?

And y'all said, cut that bitch up. So I did. So the first hour of this podcast is all the things surrounding the premiere. The Nick Viall interview Jesus, the Rachel Goes Rogue episodes from this week, other news. Other podcasts, just everything kind of leading up into the premiere and a little bit of reaction from the premiere.

And then the second part is going to be the actual premiere recap. So go ahead and download this episode and the next one, you know, put them in the queue, put play next on Apple podcasts. You can do that, whatever you want to do so you can get the whole shebang and I promise you won't regret it. And I hope you really enjoy this first part of the episode.

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Hello. Hello. Hello. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose. And I am coming to you all today from my living room. And I have a very special guest. You all love her. Literally. I've had people begging me to bring her back on the show. So I thought her Who better to bring on to do a deep dive into season 11, episode one of Vanderpump rules than Lindsay of Vanderpod recap slash additional war 1947 or some shit like that on Reddit, Lindsay, how's it going?

Hello. I was like, wait, does she actually remember my numbers? Cause I don't know what does definitely not. Oh my God. Lindsay, how are you doing? You know, this week was a crazy week in the Vanderpump world. It really wasn't even the premiere that was wild. It was all the other stuff that happened right before and in between.

Yes, and I'm glad you said that because guys, if you're listening to this, so first of all, if you don't know who Lindsay is, uh, I mentioned Additional Ward. Numbers unknown, Lindsay does recaps of the podcasts that are surrounding Vanderpump rules, usually by cast members. Sometimes not. Uh, we have, I'm sure you've had to do several Nick vial recaps up until now.

And so today we're going to talk about Vanderpump rules, the premiere of season 11, but we are also going to have to talk about something that, in my opinion, rocked the podcasting world this week. Nick vial. Who is of the bachelor fame dropped a podcast this week that was supposed to have Tom Schwartz and Tom Sandoval on, but we learned quickly that, uh, the Sandoval piece almost didn't happen and.

Before we get into it, we're also going to talk about Rachel Goes Rogue because you guys loved our recap of that, so thank you very much, Lindsey, because I couldn't have done it without you. No, And we're going to talk about all those things before we get into the premiere, so, uh, disclaimer, spoiler warning, if you guys have not listened or seen, I suggest seeing the Nick Viall interview, run, don't walk, because I think it is necessary context.

Furthermore. And before we get into it, I need to get this off my chest, Lindsay, okay? Go for it. No matter what happened in the Nick Viall interview, no matter who came out looking good or bad, Nick Viall is still a douchebag, okay? Lindsay's like, yes. Like, Nick Viall is still a douchebag. Now, did he feed into a lot of Rabid fans hatred of Tom Sandoval.

Absolutely. Did he hit on things and take him less than seriously in a way that was appropriate for his behavior? Definitely. Nick Vial is still a douchebag and I would like to do I would like to give you all one fact that doesn't really matter to me, but a lot of people he has Nick Vial is engaged. His wife is on, er, his fiancée is on the podcast.

She's pregnant. She is 24. Nick Viall is 42. What I think is interesting about that, as he touts himself to be holier than thou, is, to me, that's not necessarily a problematic age gap. It's really not. If you are, like, safe in that relationship. Uh, but you know who was also 43 and 24 respectively, Randall Emmett and Lala Kent when they met.

And I just think it is so funny that he tries so hard to separate himself, but he is a Known douchebag player guy with a little bit of fame right now. And he's entranced this 24 year old and she's awesome by the way, on the podcast, I think she's great. And Lola was awesome too at 24. So I'm just saying, let's just keep that in mind.

I'm not going to say it again because it's not really relevant, but know that Vial is still a douchebag. Okay. Great. Oh God. Okay. So this is one thing I needed to ask you, Lindsay, before we got into it was. I didn't watch Nick on Everybody Loves Tom. So Nick came on to Everybody Loves Tom, allegedly as a favor to Tom.

And I didn't watch that episode. Even when they announced that the shor that the Toms were gonna go on Viow's podcast. I didn't even know that Nick had been on Everybody Loves Tom, so I thought this was like groundbreaking because that's what we've all been waiting for, right? Nick Vial has spent all these months talking shit, having every cast member past and present to talk shit about Tom Sandoval, then he went on Special Forces with the guy, came back and still talked a little shit, and then he has him on his podcast, so did you listen to the episode that Nick was on of Tom's, and do you think that he had demeanor change?

Like, what is your take on that? So I did listen to it. I did not recap it because it really was Nick focused. I believe they talked a lot about Special Forces. I think they talked about The Bachelor. The one thing is, and Nick brought this up on the Vile Files, Nick asked, uh, asked Sandoval something. Do you think you should just stay single?

Like, why do you have to be in relationships? And I thought that was an interesting question and Sandoval was like, Oh, like, I just, I love to be in relationships and blah, blah, blah. And so that was like the only interesting part, but it really wasn't. It sounded like to me that Sandoval had a guess. I don't know if this was a week.

Someone told me he was supposed to have Tana. Mojo for a week. I don't know if this was the week that she canceled last minute. I don't know. This is all like allegedly wait I'm sorry, Thomas was to have her on or Nick Tom was that Sandoval was supposed to have Tana on his podcast. I would Yeah, someone told me that and then she canceled last minute I don't know if this was that week or maybe that didn't even happen, but it sounds like in a pickle Sandoval called Nick Nick did his podcast.

It very was like surface level, not a lot there. Again, I didn't even recap it. And then Nick took that opportunity to be like, okay, you're going to do my podcast. Yeah. In Sandoval, I'm sure there was a conversation. Well, I need to know the questions beforehand. So Sandoval did know the questions beforehand.

My theory is that Sandoval was super, super nervous because during the, you said their demeanor during, um, Sandoval and podcast with Nick on it. They seemed fine. They seemed okay. It was very, they seemed friendly with each other. And then, so I'm guessing Sandoval was super, super nervous to go on Nick's podcast.

The night before, it sounds like he got trashed, in my opinion. Fun fact, I don't know, I forgot to bring this up to you, but did you listen to Kristen's podcast this past week? No, I didn't get it, no. So, fun fact, at the end of that podcast, Luke was like, oh, hey, Kristen, you don't know this, but I was at Sandoval's house last week, and Kristen was like, what?

Like, she actually sounded surprised, and he was like, yeah, uh, we were at a bar, I was hanging out with a friend, and then Kyle Chan, who's always the buffer in all this, it's always Kyle Chan. Yeah, he's the bridge. Yes, he walked in with Sandoval, and they all were hanging out, and then They were like, Oh, let's go back to someone's house.

Sandoval's house is closer. And this was the night before the Nick Bile podcast. So Luke was like. Or Kristen said, well, you didn't even get, that was the night you didn't get home till late. And he was like, well, I didn't get, it was only like 2, and Kristen was like, if you were out till 2, that means Sandoval was out till God knows when.

Till he walked into Nick Viall's podcast, honey. No, literally, I don't think that man slept. No, he did not. Yeah, and so, Allegedly. Yeah, the whole background with that, I was like, okay, so he was at a bar partying, they all came back to him and Ariana's house. And who knows what'll happen. So, yeah, it was from going from Sandoval's podcast to this one, it made no sense.

Like, it was a huge jump. Okay, so that's what I was wondering. Cause I, I did, I saw like previews and clips and I was like, that, the impact would seem to be much lower of having Nick on Tom's podcast than, Having Tom, so to me, what I'm getting at is it seemed like, and we all knew this, the framing of via's podcast was all because Nick was always going to get this man to come on his podcast, right?

I don't know that Tom ever intended necessarily on having. Nick on his, or if he did, it probably would have happened after Nick's podcast. And I know if you're listening, you're like, guys, you're saying the word podcast a million times, and there's all these names and all these toms and all these things.

And I know that this sounds crazy, but I'm trying to set up like the tone for what Sandoval was walking into and why it characterizes to me, Nick, a little differently and how it informs the relationships that they all have. Okay. And how, at the end of the day, to support my first theory that I said I would never talk about, uh, Nick's just a douchebag.

He's in L. A. They're all opportunists. They were all using each other. And it would make sense, honestly, Tana being on Tom's podcast would be the only, like, equivalent to that in podcasting. You would have to have, like, Nick Viall, Alex Cooper, you would have to have somebody of that caliber, Trisha Paytas, to counteract that.

Or, um Jeff Wittek, because anybody else would not, the numbers that you would be projected to have Tana on, it just wouldn't, you couldn't get a Kyle Chan to come back on and still get those numbers, right? So, this is, these are the stakes, and Nick did not feel, apparently, as though he needed to change up anything that he had already projected to be for this podcast, and I think that, uh, I think you're right, that Sandoval was nervous.

I don't think, I think that Sandoval deals with all of his emotions, whether they be anxiety, sadness, happiness, whatever, at this point in his life, uh, with partying. And, uh, everything I say about what I think he did and is alleged, but to me, he was giving, he hasn't slept. There are substances out there that will put you in a, I haven't slept state of mind.

Okay. And especially if it's like, it's It's like, if you've been drinking all night, and let's just say you're just drinking, which I think, I think it's fair to assume and say 100 percent he was drinking. If you're waking up at like 8am, then yeah, you're probably still gonna be like, hungover and emotional and things like that if you were out till say 5.

But, this guy didn't have to be anywhere till 3. So like, what were you doing that you did not, how late were you, how did you stay out so late? That you didn't sleep is all I'm saying, right? He seemed to me like he was out late. Like he was imbibing in some sort of stimulant. Now we can say Adderall if you, you know, people are very uncomfortable with the idea of him doing coke, which is what I think personally, allegedly my opinion.

Um, and then I don't, I just don't think he went to sleep. And then I think that he, he said he was with a friend. Now this week it broke that he's allegedly dating, um, a model. Um, that used to date Leonardo DiCaprio at some point, which is like, who hasn't, right? Um, and so maybe he was talking about just hanging out with her the way that it read to me was that he was at someone's house that was giving him substances, um, be that alcohol or whatever.

And he literally lost track of time and literally was just screwed up. He was acting like someone. He was, he was acting like someone that was on drugs, okay, so, okay, it's drug addict behavior, um, coming in with the sunglasses on and getting like weirdly emotional at times that didn't really call for it, even though, you know, like, we already set the stakes for the interview, and just the shit, just, and the weird, he was going in and out of a voice the whole time, I don't know if you noticed that, but it was very like, Paris Hilton esque of like, that's hot, but I'm still really, Worried about this like it was kind of like that.

He was he didn't have control like he normally does and I am rambling and rambling But I'm just trying to set the scene for why I believe that Tom Sandoval not that it's revolutionary was Really fucked up when he walked into the studio. Okay. Well in Yeah, it my brain's trying to process all this. All right.

No, you're good because it is a lot and it's when he Walked into the studio, as you said, sunglasses on, dirty pants. Oh my god, the pants! The pants were dirty. Everyone looking at it was like, Is that my screen? Are his pants dirty? What is going on? And then he, he comes in, he gives Nick a tiger, the tiger photo.

So he is already, and you, oh, this is where I was going, you said, The way he spoke in this podcast, it's interesting because a lot of the things that he said in this podcast, he has said before, however, his demeanor, his anger, his up and down ness is what truly was different because he has said before about, like, he has shit talked Ariana before, but the way he did it in this podcast was so up and down and up and down and his anger and his, his, He has that voice.

When him and Nick were arguing about who was late and not late. Oh my god, yeah. He had, in my opinion, that drunk voice, which I'm sure a lot of us have gotten before. Yeah, he was slurring, yeah. Where, where it was like, nah man, you were late, you were late. Sandoval does not talk about, talk like that when he's sober.

He doesn't. And at what point, when I was, after I watched this, I was thinking, Oh, Nick thinks he has like a gold mine here, but at what point should Nick have maybe when Sandoval walked in and he looked at him, I almost think he should have been like, nah, man, we're not doing this today. You are on something.

I do not like, it's very clear that I do not vibe with Sandoval. However, I do not. While it, with reality TV, we watch things for entertainment, right? Yeah. I do not like to see someone spiral. And that is what I was watching. Yes. So at what point should Nick have said, you know what, man, you're late, you seem in some kind of different headspace right now.

I'm going to finish this interview with shorts. Maybe we can do this another day. Because it just, it was messy. And it was. alarming at some points because clearly Sandoval was not right in the head. I think, like you said, he deals with his emotions by partying. So clearly he, the night before into the morning, was doing something.

Yes. And so, because on his podcast this week where he talked about season 11 premiere, he still sounded angry but not in this way. So, there's definitely something that he was taking or doing to pump these things up, heighten, thank you, heighten it up. And, that's another thing, in, in, uh, Riley Hamilton of the Turtle Time podcast with Amy and Riley, he said this when he did a, he did like an instant reaction video to the Viyal podcast.

He said, excuse me, he said, I don't feel like we needed to see the Schwartz piece. He was like, they could have just started the podcast with Tom Sandoval entering and alluded to the fact that he was late. He was like, there's, he basically was saying there's something disingenuous about this whole, you know, not that it was fake, but that it was.

Malicious essentially on Nick files part to do this whole like lead up because to me, I think you all know what the fuck is going on. I think that Schwartz knows. I think that Nick knows because Nick, you were on the show with him. You went on on special forces. You went on his podcast. Y'all know what it gives when somebody isn't answering their phone out of nowhere.

They're like, they haven't replied and Nick was like, he hasn't said anything in two days. So you didn't think maybe that was a sign that he might not show up, but you still had Schwartz come and you filmed all of this. And it was just very, I'm not, look, I'm not saying that, like, this is not a defensive Sandoval.

This is just an, Oh, it's just, it was weird because And I'm sure we'll talk about it once Sandoval got there. And so if you haven't seen it, just know the first, well, the first 30 minutes is like a regular pop culture recap, which they do at the top of every episode. Then the next 30 minutes Schwartz gets there and Nick and Schwartz and Nick's fiance, I forgot her name.

I think it's Natalie. I don't know. Natalie. Natalie. They. All kind of just speculate and talk shit about Sandoval being late, which is fine. It's extremely rude, but I don't think that Sandoval was late out of rudeness, like just to be late or because he was like getting his hair done. Um, I think there was something going on and Schwartz, it's like, give, set up an intervention, dude.

Cause there's something wrong with your friend and the way that Schwartz. Just refuses to like acknowledge like what's really going on and he's so concerned with cleaning up Tom's image and speaking for him. It's very alarming to me. I'm not saying it's not natural because I know I would do the same thing.

I'm just saying as a viewer, you know, Schwartz, you need to This guy's gonna fuck your life up. Like, it really, I'm sorry. It was very like, he's a battered wife vibes, except Tom is the offender in the situation, not Katie. And it was like, with, with Nick asking the questions, like if, to your point, if Nick had just said, I, and I can't believe he didn't.

Because, Nick, you know what the hell is going on. I was expecting the whole time for Nick to be like, Sandoval, buddy, are you drunk or something? Did you drink before you came here today, man? I was expecting the whole time for him to say something like that, and he didn't. And I'm like, well, what are we protecting?

Sandoval hasn't proclaimed to be, actually, he's not like James. He's not like constantly saying he's sober. He just said he quit drinking for a few months. So, why are we not calling out that he's very clearly Not in his right mind. How does that benefit you Nick because now you look like you're taking advantage of someone actively that is Unwell to say the least.

Well, yeah, and it almost brings I never really thought of this topic before but like ethics and podcasting Because you have a guest who clearly again allegedly but clearly is on something at what point Do you just look at him and cut the camera all of this? It's so hard because Lindsay's like rubbing her face And I'm just thinking when you have to make a decision in a moment, and I'm sure Nick was thinking Oh shit, this person's not well, but if I keep doing this, I'm gonna have a really crazy interview That's gonna get people talking.

And so what did he choose? He chose to keep going with the interview. I'm very curious with other people in the podcast world What they would continue doing and at one point just Schwartz not look at him and be like, bro What are we doing? And as you mentioned like I've had to have this before with people in my life who have struggled with addiction I'm not saying Sandoval does but the way I can compute it in my brain and I've had had hard conversations with them and Ultimately, it's up to them, right?

Right. Whatever they're gonna do they're gonna do but as a friend I try to lay it out there I try to be there for them. But at some point you do have to set your own boundaries Because it does, it can go to a very dark place. I don't ever see Schwartz saying to Sandoval, Hey man, you need to cut your drinking out, you need to cut this.

Because, I don't know, you know, I don't know what Schwartz is doing, I don't know, I can't see him doing that. And also, let's be, I'll try to be fair, If he did do that to Sandoval, Sandoval would just be like, It doesn't seem like Sandoval likes to listen to people, but in this moment, someone should have said We're going to stop this interview and as you said before, it was very, I think it was very intentional that Nick left all that in.

They could have very much cut from when Sandoval came in and then had, but he kept, there was, if you look at my recap, there's three separate, four separate, three or four separate headings where I put they're still talking about him being late. Why were you late? Why were you late again? Why were you late?

That was all kept in intentionally. And it's funny to me that, and when Nick had his podcast this week kind of talking about the aftermath, he was like, oh, I'm sure Sandoval is mad at me. Well, no shit. And I'm not defending, again, people know my stance with Sandoval, but I think that's why people like to listen to our conversations is we think about the whole picture and I'm not just going to shit on someone.

And I think there's more to it. Same thing with Rachel. I always think there's more layers. So you, Nick actively. Made choices and he had every right to he had every right to keep everything in he had every right to keep going with the interview That's what he wanted to do But you also you can think about it like he could have did this very differently and actually in that moment Be like we need to stop this.

We need to have a chat now, but also it's it's they didn't get the content that they got Was purely that the interesting pieces of this interview came from lack of the conversation It came from the the highlights are Schwartz being there first and they're talking about it then Schwartz Explaining for Sandoval about the tiger because Sandoval was never going to admit that that was the wrong thing to do He was actively trying to argue Schwartz about it then arguing with Nick about being late.

None of None of that is pertinent information to scanned of all quote, unquote, I don't even think and I could be wrong. I don't think Nick even mentioned or addressed how. He's had every single member of the fucking cast on his podcast and this is what they've had to say and like exploring how Tom Sandoval felt about that or feels about it or, you know, he really didn't give a good interview again, he and Bethany and also.

Vial interviewed Whitney Rose of Salt Lake City this week, and that was a shitty interview too, because you don't watch the fucking show. These people that don't watch the shows, that are not invested like you, like me, like a lot of the other smaller podcasters, get these platforms, and they have these incredible opportunities to ask questions that are thought provoking.

He doesn't have to make Sandoval look like a good per in fact There's a lot of things that he didn't have to make Sandoval look like a good person, but you got the drama for this. You didn't get conver you didn't get con you didn't get real content. You didn't get anything that someone could write a piece about.

You got, you had a very drunk person ranting and raving is what you got, Nick. And Listen, basically, Lindsay was just actually just saying that the headlines around the podcast were all about Tom's behavior, not the content of the, of the interview. I, were there any other major points or information or moments that came out of that interview, um, that you wanted to, that we should highlight before we move on?

Not that I can think of. Again, one of the articles that came out said that Sandoval said, dude, 44 times. So that, that was the articles that we were getting. It wasn't, a lot of the information that Sandoval said, we've heard before. He talked a little bit more about the house, but, and here's the thing. A lot of people know from my Instagram, I don't vibe with Nick Vile as well.

I do think he is a mansplainer. I would hate to have a con I would hate to have a conversation with him. Also, on his podcast later on this week, when Natalie was like, Yeah, I think Sandoval hates women. And he clearly hated me. For then Nick to be like, Yeah. But like, I could still be friends with him. I just know how that friendship works.

Like, it was just, it was interesting to listen to. Oh, and what else did he do? Um, and so they had like an aftermath section in the following podcast, right? Nick by all of them. And there was another moment where he was like, what did he say? I don't think Tom Sandoval is a manipulator. Right. He said, I don't think he's manipulative.

I mean, it's pretty clear. What his deal is, he's, he's essentially saying, like, the guy's just a loser. How could you possibly be manipulated by him? And Natalie is like, well, Tom is very like. She says he's very manipulative and he uses this against girls that would fall for that kind of thing and Nick's like, yeah, I just don't see, I don't, I don't really get it and I don't really think that's really what's going on.

He invalidates that anyone, Ariana, Raquel, Kristen, whoever. Could have been manipulated by him because Nick sees himself as a quote unquote better man. Nick would be great on Vanderpump Rules. He's the exact type of guy. He would be great casting. Evolution Media. Holla. Like, he would be really great casting because he's just like them.

He's exactly like them. They are all egotistical, they all thrive off of believing that they're better than one another, and they're all jackasses that at the end of the day, their egos are fed by fucking women that are younger than them and having a platform. Well, and Nick, I took that conversation as Nick thinks he's above.

Getting manipulated and he doesn't think standable stuff, but he he said he doesn't think standable sophisticated I know if he thinks and I do agree. He did say he thinks standable is reactive Yeah, I agree with that, but I also think he is manipulative and it doesn't take a genius to be manipulative In fact, a lot of people who are that way very like are very surface level and a lot of things Yeah, but Natalie's saying No, I think he is and explaining that and Nick almost being like, oh, honey, you're cute that you think that but really Nick if you think about it Sandoval I feel like in some ways has manipulated you as far as you're still saying like you could you know Nick to me still seems like he wants to be Sandoval's friends.

I know he says that He want, he could be his friend, but also know like how that relationship would work. Again, Nick talks a lot of game, but I think his whole, when he said that, I was like, this would be a good actually moment to listen to Natalie and the other girls on your podcast because they're making sense.

And you're just like, no, I just, for me, he could never do that to me. Okay. Nick. Okay. These men, these men and their podcasts and their, and it's like, Your industry jackass of reality television, the bachelor isn't founded on a group of men who just love reality television and drama like you are here in the position that you are because your show, the audience, the people that make you relevant is Reif can go kiss my ass.

Fuck them. I'm so, I just, I can't. And okay, so that. Is pretty much all that I got from the vial podcast, and it's one more thing to say, because my friend Elena and I did an instant reactions podcast where I did apologize to you publicly, because I knew I was probably going to do this, um, but. What Alina brought up was that it is interesting because we don't get Sandoval in episode one, right?

But that void was very much filled by having just listened or watched the Nick Vial podcast. So I didn't really clock into him being missing from the episode until, you know, the end, because I felt like I just got a whole lot of Sandoval and I was actually kind of good on it, you know, and it's interesting too, because at that time, I guess.

That is when Sandoval is saying he was sober. That's when he was on, you know, doing Special Forces. He was like trying to kind of position himself as a different person publicly. And, but what, what's, what's really going on is, is what we saw on, on Vyoss podcast. So, then we have another podcast. Rachel Goes Rogue, or Rachel on the Loose, as we lovingly called her.

Um, so she had a couple of episodes come out this week. She had one. That was kind of like a prepping for the premiere, and then she had a reaction to the premiere, and I just listened to the reaction episode, so, and I had kind of a chaotic morning, so I didn't retain all of the information, but I will say, as we have been saying, and I will take most accountability because this is my podcast, it would seem that, uh, Still some serious things going on with ol Kennedy, DJ James Kennedy.

And I don't, what did you think about, I'm assuming you listened and I'm sure you recapped them. Uh, what did you think about her take on everything? So, the last time we spoke about Rachel's podcast, like in depth, we talked about episode one. Right. Since then, she's had a few episodes and I didn't really care for a lot of them because I see Rachel getting in the cycle of talking about the same things, addressing things that people keep asking but she's already addressed.

Right. For instance, the Graham situation, I refuse to talk anymore about it, but she has. What is said is said. Um, the topic of accountability, Rachel cannot win in this situation. If Rachel were to go on and say, I'm sorry for everything, I'm sorry to everyone, and listed all the names. Case closed. People would still ask her, but why did you do this?

How did this happen? And then when she explains that, people say, you're not taking accountability. You're making excuses. But, in the land of behaviors, thoughts, and feelings, you can have Obviously, Rachel is not in a good place after her and James broke up. And she is alleging that there's much of the story that we know.

So, her downhill Is that surprising that she got in this situation. She still made choices and she still actively did them, but I can understand more how she got into this situation, but I can, and I can say all this and that. I can separate that from like, Ariana does not have to give Rachel the time or day.

This was done to her as she sat on the show. I think the anger piece is more gone with Ariana, but she just wants her over there away from her and she can live her life. Yep. 100 percent makes sense. I totally get that. As an audience though. We can still, if we want to, hear Rachel's thoughts on this stuff and how she's reacting to things, I think that's okay, and I think we can, if we actually really listen to things.

So this whole topic of accountability, there's still people who are like, she's taking all the accountability, she's not taking any. So Rachel, every week addressing that, it's not going to help her because She just, there's no winning with that. And then what I think is really interesting is this topic of production and how they really got involved.

And I'm curious, and I said this because people are on one end, I don't believe that production told her to say these things, or if they did, she's a grown ass woman. She could have said no. Okay, fair. But I think all of them have alluded to. Stassi has alluded to like production, like you want them to be happy.

You want to make a good show. And I feel, I'm sure when Stassi and Lala first entered the show, they probably did a lot of things that they were told. And from my understanding, I think Stassi kind of found her voice in some things and would say no, as far as like, they wanted to reshoot things. Up and Adam, who works at Sir, he's talked about how he's seen before, where me too, where he has seen Stassi be like, no, I'm not reshooting that.

Like I said, what I said, I've done. So I think. They find their voice, Rachel, as we've talked about, seems very stuck in high school. If someone tells her, and she's very literal, so if someone tells her to say something, she's going to do it. But why people so want to not believe that, but This premiere, what do we see?

Lala reaches out to Rachel. What is the conversation right now? Production told her to do that. So then, why are we believing that, but we're not believing that they could have said stuff to Rachel and she didn't? I think that's an interesting conversation that's happening right now. Well, as usual, the fandom is only takes pieces that they want to take from things.

So, you're right. The contradiction is stark. Also, I think that Rachel, again, not only does she take things very literally, she explains them very literally. And I believe that there is room for context in this, where it's not necessarily that they were like, holding her literally hostage, but I, I think that they probably said, all right.

We just need this one soundbite. We just need this one thing. Uh, because it will make it more interesting. Like, we don't know, what I was unclear on with Rachel is Were they not planning on going to guys night? Were they not planning on filming later that night? I I think that it was was that okay if you guys aren't gonna film here though we do still need you to film elsewhere because There is a certain amount of probably hours or time or whatever that you commit to in a day of filming So, okay, cool.

You're not gonna film with the girls on the girls trip So then we're gonna need you guys to show up for guys night unless y'all have a better idea and they probably did not right. So then they would say, all right. So for cohesiveness, you need to say, all right, we're leaving. We're going to guys night now in and of itself.

Is that malicious? No. Is it a little do I think the producers are clever enough to understand like what that implies and the story that they are in the process of showing to us. Yeah, so that it makes sense. It's not Rachel. People are projecting that Rachel is saying that these people are evil or that they are, but she's not.

She's telling you what happened and it did happen, but I think that it's reasonable to assume it probably wasn't like. You know, you're off the show if you don't say this or this is what you need to say, because this is going to be drama. That's what they were going to go do, was go to Guy's night. So she needed to say that so that they could make it make sense for the story.

Now when it comes to Lala Don't get me started. I think, once again, once again, this girl, I swear, and we'll get there, I'm gonna, I'm probably gonna say this 8 million times while we record, every time I think I can almost get to Team Lala, she, she pushes me down, she snags the football out from under me, I always think I can get with her, so, her whole thing that she does later, and I think it's been, I Didn't she confirm that the producers told her?

Hasn't that been, it feels like, it feels like that's not That wasn't originally an issue that it was that the producers told her she needed to send this thing. I can't go ahead because I'm going to, I'm going to, well, I don't know. So Ariana recently had her book tour show in New York and someone asked about that.

That's what it was. Ariana said, I'm not mad at Lala at all. And let's be real. Ariana makes her Lala makes great TV and her co host that night. I cannot remember. I'm seeing a space. Matt Rogers. Thank you. Yep. He, he said something about, and let's be honest, and he kind of whispered production, told her to do that and they all laughed.

Yeah. And so I think it is very highly allegedly thought slash confirmed that Rachel or Lala was told by production or they had a conversation and Lala was probably like, oh yeah, sure. Like I'm down for that. I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but it's just interesting. Because again, we have a situation and watching Lala at the end of that episode, which we can get more into it, to me, there's so many moments where she looked bored and she looked like she wanted to say more or she wanted to fight more.

So I don't know if production picked up on that and was like, girl, we need to save this. This girl's night is all kumbaya. We need to start something. I'm not saying, because it is confusing, because there is a moment in the episode where Lala during her interview seems actually really emotional and talking about how Rachel, the isolation part she can get with.

I'm not saying that Lala cannot relate at all to Rachel. I do think there is some emotions that are real. However, as Rachel said in her podcast, Oh, this was all on camera. And I think the cast have said stuff before where if it's like a real real thing, they will kind of tell them beforehand. So it's not a complete shock on camera.

And so For Lala then to just, the very first time for her to reach out to Rachel, be on camera, is a little suspicious, and I don't blame Rachel for being suspicious of it, because as she said, Lala and Rachel have never, ever gotten along, so for Lala to be the first person to reach out to her in all of this, like, ding, like, our mind is going to have some dings going off because we got questions.

And I think she, in my opinion, like you said, I think she was looking around at the scene, and I think that Lala, who is very good at reality television, I want to be really clear about that, okay? She just gets better and better. This is where she fucks up, though, is that I shouldn't be able to tell what you're thinking, right?

It should be a little more, she needs to work on making it a little more organic, I think. Because I think she was like, Yeah, this shit isn't gonna work, like you said, and we, we're gonna have to, Rachel's gonna have to come back, she's gonna have to come back on the show, she's, we need her here, that's how, and she's right, they did need her there, they will need her there for less biased, more Yeah.

Yeah. Complete storytelling, because she is a major part of the story. So, I think, also, something to note, because we're not talking about the episode yet, yet, here I am. We're talking about Rachel Goes Rogue. Rachel mentioned, uh, part of the scene was Lala being like, oh my god, she read it. She read it. Well, no, Rachel didn't read it.

Her, uh, was it her publicist, her manager, her assistant, somebody, some, her publicist had Instagram, which is interesting, because that lady didn't take shit down, she didn't block shit, that Just let, let it fly. Um, so it's like, girl, you should not have paid for her, but anyway, she, she read it, which again, as I have, I think mentioned before, I have been institutionalized.

I was put in a mental hospital in 2011. And if I haven't, um, you know, welcome to my life. That was something that happened to me, um, that I was, that that was something that happened to me. So yeah, you don't get. Phones in there or you didn't in 2011. So I'm assuming you definitely don't now. Um, yeah, you still don't and Which is also why the postcards and all of that became a big thing because that's how you can communicate with the outside world So and then oh my god, I forgot Tom Sandoval talking about having these glitter bomb letters that he was sending her I was like, honestly, I was like, that's kind of sweet because I know that that Rachel loved that shit, but Tom, the way he was doing it, the way you're doing it is insane.

Like, this is probably, I don't, I can't get into it, I'm gonna freak out if I start talking about him. Um, again, so anyway, so that's why that was all going down. And once again, Emily Marlowe's over here trying to explain to y'all. That's how it works in the fucking mental institution. What else do you guys want to know?

Like, what else do you guys need to understand? She didn't have access to her social media. She wasn't able to call the damn shelter and talk to all that. She was not able to make those decisions because she was in an institution, okay? That's how that shit works. Period. Stop. Y'all don't understand. Like, and that's good.

I don't want a bunch of people to understand what it's like to be in one of those places. It can be a really, it's usually in the midst of a very unpleasant event, okay? So, I just, I like, so anyway, Lala doing that, in my opinion, I agree with Rachel, I think it was disingenuous, and Rachel didn't talk about this on her podcast, but it was the first thing I said to Elena after we watched that episode.

I was like, a voice message, Lala? Like, really? Like, again, that is a production thing. They just started with, in, in television production and films. They just got comfortable with the, we're putting text on a screen for you to read text, because that's how most people communicate. It's a much better storytelling device.

It's a much better acting device, I guess, to have it vocalized, um, orated, than to have it in text. So I just thought, because that's not a natural Thing to do that wouldn't that's not natural if you haven't if you if the last time you saw someone you told them to get mentally evaluated and that they would basically be better off dead and then co signed your friend telling her to fuck herself with a cheese grater.

I don't think that you come out of that like, hey, girl, sorry, I was driving and I just wanted like, no, you text her and be like, hey, can you talk? That's am I crazy? That's the natural order of things. Well, and then I have to wonder, too, because Sheena and I've seen before and. It's, it's, it's honestly hard to not talk about Rachel's podcast and the episode because they, this last episode of her podcast, they are really intertwined.

They are, so it does make sense. So, when Sheena was talking to Brock about how she heard Rachel had extended her say. So they all, from my understanding, know that Rachel was in a place. So then for Rachel, for Lala to say, Oh my God, she listened to it. It is also interesting to me that they showed that because once again, They're alluding to Rachel listening to it, but as we know, it was not her, because she was in a mental health place.

You do not have phones. As someone, I myself was in a place in 2015, and later in grad school, I actually worked at a hospital. You do not get your phones. The only time Maybe you can ask for your phone. If you have to look up a number or call work, you can like do that stuff, but they're not going to say, Oh, you need to go on social media and post something.

Go ahead, sweetie. Here, here's your phone. They don't do that. You, you have scheduled call times. That is how it works. So During this period of time, I remember people being confused. Well, wait, how are people posting, how is she posting on her social media and doing this when it wasn't her? So it is even more interesting to me that Lala sent a voice message on her phone when they all knew, even though I know during that time people were like, oh, she's at a spa, she's there.

But I think they all really knew she was at a mental health facility, but yet she still sent A voice message and then was like, oh she listened. It's interesting. I don't know Yeah, like why did they almost allude to that? I don't know well in the press right in the press They were coming out and being and they were all fucked up for that.

Sheena included, you know, that's my girl but yes, all of them tried to be like Well, we don't know that she's in a institution. We don't know that she's in a mental health facility. She could be at a spa for all we know. That was how they were acting, all of them about it. And then you have, I'm sorry, there was a podcast or I'm sorry, a content, an Instagram account that was perpetuating the narrative with, you know, with no room for reasonable Rachel was lying and she was not at the Meadows and that she was at a spa and it was really weird of that person to do that and is untrue and was untrue at the time and is still untrue and the, so the, and the people that were, you know, in talks with this content creator seemed to be Katie was someone who was connected to this person.

And I believe. Maybe, I don't, I really don't think it was Sheena, it was not Lala, but it was primarily Katie that this person was uplifting and having conversations with and posting about, and this person said, like, unequivocally, like, she's not in a mental health facility, so that puts all this doubt around her condition, and I think that it was just to have it.

Send hate to her. I think it was just to, and drum up drama and these women on the show have a responsibility to not do all of that shit and so maybe part of Lala's guilt was less about her self reflection and just knowing that in that moment They were actively trying to discredit her about something that's pretty fucking serious.

And then also like the voice message it's like And why are you, maybe Lala thought, maybe Lala thought she could get on Instagram somehow, I don't know. Or, I mean, I don't, I really believe that they knew that she was not. Well, and then, and then it was, it was alluded, it was a spa, or it was alluded, it was kind, it was a mental health place, but kind of like a, a foo foo LA mental health space.

Right. Which they have a lot of those. But I truly think she was. An inpatient, intensive trauma, like you do not leave. You stay there. I think eventually they had, because of how long she was there, they had like maybe some audience because that's how she was able to get the postcard or whatever. So, I don't know if people, and maybe Lala, and maybe production didn't quite understand like how intense place was or how she really did not have access to things.

So. Maybe that was it, but yeah, that, that whole time period was interesting, and the cast very much was, I hope she's in a mental health facility, but I don't know for sure if she is. I have heard rumors she's at a spa, and if that's the case, then that would be really fucked up. And that So going from that to now we're seeing Rachel talk about how she, her publicist listened to that, and then when she got out, she listened to it, and even not knowing then it was filmed on camera, but just listening to it, she didn't really feel like Lala was being genuine.

Right. But Rachel also said, but maybe she is, I don't know. Right. But then I saw it was on camera, and I was like, oh, okay. That's what's up. Now I get it. That's what's up. Yep, yep, yep, yep. There's one more. One more thing. Go for it. Him. Her saying that Sandoval called her selfish for being in the meadows and for working.

Oh my God. And for working on herself and for, it's interesting. So he, Ooh, and this is where people are like, well, you can't take everything. What Rachel says is true. I will live this part because I know guys like Sandoval. I've lived it. So he has said on a podcast. I, when Rachel wouldn't call me, I'd be so upset because I was so looking forward to hearing from her.

Rachel, that goes on her podcast, he would get really angry when I didn't answer his phone calls. He would say that I was being really selfish working on myself when he was out there, you know, in the trenches getting all this hate. And one of other cast members says, Lala has says, I give Sandoval credit because like he stayed in here.

Like, out in it, and got the heat, okay, he chose to do that, you can't fault Rachel for, like, getting mental health treatment, but for him to say, I, I, I can hear it in my head, him saying, you're being selfish, or, like, guilt trumping her, and then he recently, this was a page six article that came out, a close source from, from Sandoval, so, who knows, probably, Billy Lee, Kyle Chan, who knows, said, um, Sandoval did not guilt trip her.

Okay, were you on the phone with Sandoval and Rachel? You don't know that. And he just missed her and cared for her well being and they were just dealing with things, you know, differently. Levis disappeared and closed herself off from the world by going into the treatment center and he took it all head on.

Fuck you. Like, fuck you for saying that. And then, then, and then he said, like, Tom just really looked forward to their conversations. It wasn't, you know, he, he wasn't, angry about it, he would just really look forward to it. No, like, I can hear that conversation in my head and we have seen the way that Sandoval has been talking and the way he talks to women.

He, I have no doubt that when he would talk to Rachel, it was very much, oh, you don't know how hard this is for me. Meanwhile, she's literally in a Mental health facility. You know, you don't know how hard this is for me, man. I just, this is so easy for you right now. You're just all by yourself. You're just doing, you know, I'm just thinking of what maybe.

Yes, no, a hundred percent. And the codependency. Go ahead, go ahead. No, I, I was right. That, go ahead. The codependency that struggles with plays into that too. The literal codependency, because he would be like, I'm. You know, I, you, you have made a decision to leave me out here on my own to deal with this and we were supposed to deal with this together now, whether or not you could frame that in a way that would sound like romantic in a really fucked up world, or you could frame it in the way that he likely meant it if he said something along those lines, which I think we both believe that he did, um, in that he thought it.

That he, that they would get, they would take the heat together. Just basically what you said that the media would come for both of them at the same time, but really because her whereabouts were unknown or uncertain, they came for, for him, um, cause they, cause she couldn't absorb the press. She couldn't respond.

She wasn't able to, you know. He probably wanted her to be out so that they could follow her around and scrutinize every one of her missteps and find her on a sketchy ass avenue street in bumfuck of Los Angeles looking crazy as hell with someone following you around singing Celine Dion or whatever the fuck he was doing, okay?

Remember? Like, he was out in the press making an ass out of himself. And he was hoping that she would do the same so he wouldn't look like such a loser, right? Yep. That's what he wanted. Um, yeah, when I heard her say that, I was, I, uh, I was aghast. But I believe her. I do too. And, like, guys, if you, if you've gotten this far into the podcast and, and you don't realize this already, I think, Me and Lindsay, for the most part, like, believe women, right?

And I think, uh, there's nuance with all of these people, um, but if you're somebody who just hates Raquel and just you feel like she cheated, you know, she took your man or whatever it is, like, I encourage you to keep listening because I think there's a lot of nuance, but maybe this is a podcast for you and I think that's fine.

So after Rachel goes rogue, we had, you talked a little bit about Kristen's podcast. Were there any other relevant podcasts? I know Lala had Alex Baskin, um, Sheena responded to Nick Vial's podcast on shenanigans a little bit with Ryan Bailey and Kiki Monique and Uh, you were telling me, what did Sheena say that was of note?

Oh, that Sandoval seemed fucked up on the vile files. Yeah, so Sandoval has confirmed in an E! News article and on his podcast that he is, he's no longer, like, he is drinking again. That is something that he's let people know. Sheena, in, on her podcast with Ryan and Kiki, talked about how it very much seemed Like he was not either sober or had been partying all night and went into this interview and Sheena said he you know He quit drinking for eight months, but at the premiere party she looked at him and was like, oh You're drinking again.

So she so she knows his mannerisms, too I'm sure they all watch that or watch clips or whatever they do and they were like, oh, I've seen this standable before Yeah, and even Sheena and Ryan and Kiki alert like that. No one I think a lot of people don't want to watch that. Again, there's this whole entertainment aspect of reality TV and the messiness of it.

But when you're really watching someone be not okay, and the interview just continue and it gets worse and worse, like, you're actively cringing the whole time. Yeah. That is not That is not fun for any of us. So going from that to then the premiere, I was like, okay, this actually like, whoo, I need to chill for a little bit.

So let's just get right into it. All right. Well, that was a doozy. Am I right? So that is part one. You guys go ahead and look in the feed for part two and we'll get this party started. Okay. See you soon.

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