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 Hello, hello, hello. Thank you guys for coming back for part two of my Vanderpump Rules season 11 premiere recap with the lovely Lindsay of Vanderpod recaps. If you didn't listen to part one, go back in the feed, find part one. We talk about vile files, Rachel goes rogue. We talk about all of the things. So start there, come back here or just start here, whatever.

We are now going to get into the actual episode. You guys enjoy. All right. Previously on Who the Fuck Knows with Emily Rose. I think a lot of people don't want to watch that. Again, there's this whole entertainment aspect of reality TV and the messiness of it. But when you're really watching someone be not okay, and the interview just continue and it gets worse and worse, like you're actively cringing the whole time.

Yeah. That is not. That is not fun for any of us. So going from that to then the premiere, I was like, Okay, this actually like, whoo, I need to chill for a little bit. So let's just get right into it. So we start off, we have a new introduction. We have a new fun. Introduction into it where we go through we started something about her with Ariana and Sheena.

I'm sorry, Ariana and Katie. Then we move through the rest of the restaurants. We have Tom and Tom at Tom Tom. I believe it wasn't Schwartz and Sandys. Oh, because we found out Greg is not letting them film at Schwartz and Sandys as far as we know. Right. Or if there was a filming there, it was very not encouraged.

And then we get Sheena, Lala, and James, I think it was, at Sir. Yep. And we start off with a little interstitial of where everybody kind of is. We get, um, Schwartz, I think, is diddling around at his stupid house. And we see a little cut of Allie and James, we see, I think, a moment of Katie doing something and then we start with, with Katie going into Ariana's house.

Now, before we get into this, like, play by play, I do want to just ask you, what were your expectations for this premiere? And would you say that they were met or they came up short? Like, what, how did you feel going into it? And, and how was that resolved? Well, I'm going to be honest. We've seen most of this episode.

I don't know what Bravo is doing lately. And maybe I am so into like podcast trenches that I feel Like I know so much so I'm gonna be honest when people have been like sending me clips of like the show and stuff I haven't been watching because I've actually wanted some surprise I have a friend who watched Salt Lake City and she knows she's not on Instagram.

She doesn't do any of that She just watches the show for what it is. I'm like, oh, that's insane Like what is that? Like because I know every minute every aspect of what's happening. No, it didn't happen like that it happened like this and so Going into the season or this premiere, I was like, they already released the first seven minutes, which I know they've done that for a while now, but then they also included even more clips, you know, after the seven minutes have been out.

So honestly, I felt like I had already watched the premiere going into it. I, and I still, I liked the premiere. I think I went from the Nick vile podcast to that made my senses on a height. So when I watched the premiere, it was more like relaxed. I do think there was more, I liked where they were kind of picking up from and what we were seeing.

It was just very chill, and the episode went by quickly for me, so that's how I could always tell I liked an episode, because if it drags on, I'm like, this is rough. And so, watching it, I was like, okay, like, I think this was a solid premiere. We're not gonna get the craziness. Of season 10 and let's be real season 10 was mostly crazy because as an audience we were looking for easter eggs We were looking for something going into this season It's not like i'm actively looking into other things that's going on in the background while they're talking So but going into the premiere my biggest thing is bravo.

You got to stop showing so much. Yeah, let's just Go into it with some clips that we haven't seen before, and I get it again being in the podcast world and how everything has came, like, we know a lot about season 11, but since that's all going on, then you would think Bravo wouldn't be showing as much as what they're showing.

Exactly. But then you got to think about people like your friend who aren't, aren't involved. In the discourse outside of the show at all. So she might see the seven minute preview and that might be it. That might be everything that she sees, but I think it's also interesting, which I kind of didn't process until after I watched it the first time was really putting yourself in the space of what was happening at the time of filming.

So they were filming in. God, this was like May, right? No, this, so Gannibal happened in March. Right. The Reunion was filmed in May. They started filming this season mid in June. Okay. I believe. Yeah. Right. So, all of the new, and I remember thinking so many things were coming out that it was like, we're not gonna have any show left to watch.

But then now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, oh, there's so much more. Shit, that I remember coming out in the press, that we didn't even get to in this. I think I was just kind of, I think because I'd watched the 7 minute and then I'd watched The, uh, Scandaval, uh, A Season of Decades and Lies special that came out on Peacock, which included exclusive clips that were outside of the seven minute preview.

So by the time that was all wrapped up, it was like, yeah, we've seen the episode. Um, so, so I agree. I, I, again, I did enjoy the episode. If you guys listen to my instant reactions, I think I was a little critical. I don't think you came across that way, to be honest. Well, I think you're, I think you're, I listened to that.

I think you're harder on yourself because. I think, honestly, from Reddit, a lot of people did not enjoy this episode, I think, and so, I was like, oh man, am I the only one that I enjoyed it? It wasn't the greatest premiere ever, and like you and Alayna talked about, like, there was, there was some good stuff, but it was Kind of a slower pace and we've seen a lot of it before but it's still I think it was a very good Startup episode and I think it was very smart for them to end with Sandoval entering because this the next week We're really going to get into the depth of it as far as how is Sandoval now into this group?

Right how what is happening? So right so we start the episode the really episode really starts with Katie coming over to Ariana and Tom's house And she walks in and there's all these flowers and she makes a comment about how every time she walks in it looks like a florist shop, which I think is interesting because of course we as the viewers and consumers know, like, she's probably been having sent bouquets and gifts and all kinds of shit and, and, uh, Instagram promotional shit probably for weeks and weeks.

Yeah. And Ariana's like, no, actually these are birthday flowers. And Katie and Ariana start talking, they talk about how Sandoval is off filming a show. Ariana seems to have a little disdain for that, which I guess she's entitled to, that's fine. And they talk about how they're going to be going thrifting for teacups for the, I don't, I, I don't care.

I don't care about something about her, I think I said that already, um, so. I don't care about teacups. I hate thrifting. So that was a really hard thing for me to watch. To be honest. Yeah. I mean, it was a cute little moment, but you know, it was, it happened. Now, is this when, if not, I'm just going to place it here because I don't think it's like timeline necessary, but we, we hear that we find out that Ariana and Tom are communicating through an assistant and, um, who, oh, we didn't talk about Anne's podcast.

Anne is the assistant of Tom, who Tom Schwartz said that an assistant had resigned, which would now in the timeline be like three weeks ago now. And Anne came out with an, with a podcast with one of Nick Viall's former coworkers or assistants, and it's very interesting. There wasn't really a lot, like a lot of tea in the first episode, but Anne is just a very pleasant person to listen to.

Um, and so keep an eye on that. It's called We Signed an NDA. And I believe, it's unclear as to whether Anne still works for Tom or not. I think that's fair to say it's unclear. It sounds like she does, but then it kind of sounds like she doesn't, so we don't know. Well, Anne, the assistant that, the assistant that Schwartz was talking about, Anne confirmed, was not about her.

Right. It was another assistant. However, it's still very unclear whether she still works for him or not. Right, so yeah, Tom Schwartz was talking about a different assistant, but We don't know about, we don't know about Anne. If I were Anne, it couldn't be me. So, we get this scene where Ariana's talking about how they're navigating this house split.

And part of it is that they're talking, they use Anne as like a mediator. And they show this, this interaction. Where Ariana's like the neighbor. Can you tell Tom to turn the LED lights off because they're bothering the neighbors to which Tom responds via and he says it falls under freedom of speech. And that my friends is why I believe Rachel when she says the things that he says.

Yes, literally. I'm also like Ariana, you have to stop. You cannot live in the same house as this man. You just can't. You can't. Now I learned some interesting information about. The whole house split thing is my personal opinion that when they're talking about it in confessionals Ariana refers to it as like a couple of months that she's staying in his house or whatever But now it's been almost a year since the breakup and they're still living together Operating what under what I think is a highly dysfunctional model Whether or not I guess it's not for them.

They're fine with it but to me like as a friend or as the person involved I think it's Not ideal. I don't think it's ideal at all. Um, and I learned, or forgot, and then relearned, that when Tom got, when he started Schwartz and Sandys, he put the house up for, as collateral, Yes. for the fucking restaurant.

Yes. So, and then Ariana, it's, the situation is truly so fucked up. And particularly when you get into like the house situation, I, It's easier to be like Ariana can feel truly however she wants and be as angry as she wants. Because that situation is fucked. I don't know if you have more insight into it.

I'm not a homeowner, so. No, and I'm gonna be honest, I don't understand any of that when it comes to numbers and the house. I do, I, the timeline in my head, so Scandal in March, Reunion in May, Filming in June. Ariana, when Scandal broke, I know she was doing, not too long after that, she was doing a Lifetime movie, so there's a period of time where she was at home a lot, and then he did Special Forces, he was at home.

From my understanding, since at least September, if not earlier, she has not been actively living there. She was doing dancing with the stars. She was staying at an apartment cause they have apartments for the contestants if they want them slash need them. And then now she's been in New York a lot, um, for Chicago and she's been doing some book tour shows.

So I don't think she has been actively living there for a few months. And in my brain, I'm like, okay, I can kind of understand like their house is huge. I'm sure they have been able to navigate how they've been living together when they were truly like still living together. That part of me, I'm like, okay, my brain can kind of compute that because it would be really hard for me to live with someone like Sandoval and be there.

Like, I just, I, but I also give, I give a lot of credit to Ariana because my, so long story short, like my mom and stepdad, my stepdad reminds me a lot of Sandoval in ways, but when they got a divorce. She didn't want to deal with him because of how bad he was and he wanted her truck. He had no right to this truck.

This was her truck. It was just easier for her to give him the damn truck than to fight him on it. And I think a lot of people get in that situation, right? I don't want to deal with you. Just have it. I give a lot of credit to Ariana being like, no, like this is my house too. So I'm going to do what I need to do.

But as far as like selling the house or him keeping it. And him saying, well, I gave her, I offered her 3. 1 million. I think a lot of us know, even though Tom tried to frame it, Ariana, that does not mean Ariana just walks away with all that money. Right. Right. Plus the housing market, the way it is now, plus that loan, whatever he took on that, on that house, which is not talked about like at all during this whole thing that has to play a factor.

So why he, well, I know why he doesn't just want to sell it because he's stubborn and he wants to be like, Oh, look. I have this house, and I also get Ariana, call it whatever, her being like, no, I don't want you to have this house. I don't want anyone to have, like, I just want to sell the damn thing. So I get that aspect.

But as far as crunching the numbers and things like that, I truly do not understand. But it sounds messy. So I understand Ariana finally being like, we need a judge in this. We need a judge to say, split this, do this. Sign that, whatever. And that's another thing, just quickly, his, the Nick Vile podcast, Another Reason Why Standoffel Was Not Well, Yeah.

When they were talking about the house, he goes, he was like, alright, Ariana, it's fine. You just take it. Just take it. Yep. Just take the, the, that's, his voice was like going low and down. Yeah, he was slurring. And he. Again, Ariana does not want the house. She's made that clear from the start. So, sorry, that was a lot of tangent about the house.

But that is a huge component of this season. And it is one that I, my brain like goes off in different directions thinking about it. It's, it's, it's too much. It's easier to look at it from like an emotional perspective. Yes. And like my emotional perspective is one of y'all need to grow up. And get out of the fucking house.

And so if Tom, if it means, it seems to I mean, I don't know who it means more to, but Ariana, if, in my opinion, I feel like if you want to hold your friends and everyone in your life to a standard of, um, you know, not speaking to him or having anything to do with him or else you jeopardize your friendship, and you don't want to film with him, and you want to start a new relationship with someone else, Then, all of those things to me say, you gotta be the one to, to go.

Cause, you're, you are more intent on not having him be in your life in any aspect, but continuing to be in, on the show. Then, the best way to, to do that would be to, to leave the house. I just, I don't. I get that, but then it's also, she needs a really good, healthy offer, and from my understanding, like, I know she said he gave a shit offer, he told us the offer, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I understand any of that, so I'm guessing she has a lawyer, it sounds like, that said, no, this is a shit offer, so, I, so, That's true, it's totally true.

So that's, so that's the thing, like, Ariana could come to the place where, like, you know what, fuck it, Sandoval, have the fucking house, I don't care. But then he also has to give a good offer and if he's not willing to do that or come to the agreement, then they do just need to sell the damn house. They just need to sell the house.

They just need to sell the house. I don't think Sandoval, I think he really looks at it as like, oh man, I'm gonna go have to like live in a he sees it as such a downgrade. And I think that's really a lot of what this scandal has brought with Sandoval is a, like, detriment to his ego and his reputation. He has built something and it got torn down to shreds.

This facade that he has had on, he was like the guy in the group where mostly a lot of people liked him. They loved him and Tom and Aria's relationship. He did this. That all came crumbling down. The mask is more slipping off. He's now going to have to go live in an apartment. He sees that so beneath him that he cannot fathom that.

So that is why he's being so stubborn with this. He has more ego and I think Ariana's is more emotional. And I think he, he feels really entitled to The things that he has, not just the home, but to the new romances that he wants to pursue to the show he because he's been on it technically longer. I think that he feels entitled to his success because he feels like he worked for it.

He feels like he went. He very much is like the kind of guy that will like. Interesting. I should make this point right now. You know why, but that will like offer you money if you need it, but then like use it against you later because not necessarily like beg you for it back because you don't want the money back, but you expect to be treated a certain way because you're that guy, right?

You're that guy that will goes out of your way to be there for your friends and throws the parties and like stocks, the pens and like all of this. Ridiculous shit that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It's entitlement because some people do live their lives in such a way to get something to attain a goal.

Uh, and once they get that goal, they feel like they deserve it more than anyone else because of whatever they've done rather than seeing everything in their life as like a consequence of decisions that you made, not because you were like ordained by God to have it. You know? Yep. Um, I need to pause really quick.

Oh, you're good. So we move on from Katie and Ariana, and we cut into a little bit of a scene of Sheena on the couch, and she's talking to Brock about Ali, who was a close, close friend of Sandoval, who passed away. And how she felt compelled to reach out to him about it and from what I remember when I was telling Elena, several people reached out to him about it, like, uh, maybe not Ariana, but maybe even Ariana, uh, because of how this was his like legit best friend.

And I mentioned on the last podcast that it was particularly upsetting because they had been really close, but when the scandal broke. Ali was very vocally, uh, not okay with how Sandoval was behaving. Yes. And I believe he took to Reddit about it. He did. And Sheena, so Sheena goes like, Ali was a really great friend, he really meant a lot, and he was really into brisket.

Which was kind of a goofy thing to say out of context. But then, I did some research and it turns out he actually was, like, legitimately into brisket and had like a whole Instagram Like lifestyle page dedicated to like the curation of, of smoking meats and that was actually a big hobby of his. So I was thinking like, I guess if I passed away and someone was like, she was really into oysters.

Like, or she was really into crab legs. That would actually be a really. Because like kind of a funny fact, but it would be a legitimate like legitimate fact about me. That would be reasonable to say. So, um, I give, of course, I give Sheena some a little bit of, it was kind of a cutesy thing to say in that moment, but she's not wrong.

Yeah. Well even Kristen said on her podcast she felt kind of icky in her stomach them just bringing up this friend's death because it is such a sensitive topic and they all knew him but she said she gave Sheena a lot of credit because she felt Sheena did it in a very like tasteful and like a good way and I agree yeah and it also is I think it's important to mention that because it it establishes that Sheena did attempt to like Reach out, there was still some sort of care in her for Sandoval.

Um, and of course it, she got to like joke about the summer moon thing, and so that was kind of like a funny little like break in a really serious, really, really sad topic. So I agree with you. So then we move on to Lala, who is now living in an apartment. Her mom has moved in. Her brother Easton, uh, either moved in or lives very nearby.

And they're all kind of taking care of Ocean together and moving like a, She says an orca or like whales or something. Yeah. Um, in, in, from what I understand from jobs that I've had in the past, There's something called, uh, the word kandezi is like the Congo art of babysitting. So it is the idea that the village raises the child.

And each person in the community is responsible for an aspect of raising the child rather than like your traditional two parent household. So that's what I kind of thought about when I was watching Lala talk about it. I was thrilled to hear that she's not really dating because it would screw up the dynamic.

Uh, because I don't want to see her date. It makes me extremely uncomfortable to see this woman date. So I was thrilled to hear that. We got an interesting piece of information that And a little fourth wall breakie where she explains that Randall that there's the custody thing with Randall is god awful and that he's trying to paint it as though it's not being resolved essentially because she's like according to him like hell bent on having ocean on Vanderpump rules and that was part of what was a hang up about it and Lala's like I don't give a shit if she's on the show like I don't care about that I'm trying to like maintain custody essentially did I get that mostly right You No, you did and this was a, this was a scene where I watched with Lala and I'm like, I fuck with this Lala.

Yes, 100%. I like this Lala. Yep. I, I think Lala, just from an outside looking in, I think she seems like a great mom. I think that it's so nice that she has like a village, quote unquote, to help take care of Ocean. I think one cannot deny there is. squeeZ us with Randall and I'm sure that custody battle is not fun.

And Lala has even said, she does not show Ocean as much because I think she came to a place of realizing that the space and the world that she is in, it is a lot to show your daughter. Yeah. I think there's a difference between people showing their children and children being content. Yeah. I think. Um, cause I know some, yeah, yeah, so they're, they're, it's a tricky situation, but.

I don't like I fully believe Lala when she said I don't care if Ocean is on fucking Vanderpump Rules and I'm so glad they've kept that in because I think a few seasons like past they would have edited that out they were so focused on this not not us knowing this was a reality show and so we had a lot of good little moments of fourth wall breaking in this episode that we haven't really seen before but yeah this I liked this whole scene with Lala I was like okay this is the Lala that I fuck with.

I totally agree. I agree on all counts and you know, it reminds me of something that I kind of forgot about because of ScandalVault, but right before season 10 premiered, Lala went on JuicyScoop and alluded to some pretty dark things, um, about Randall and mentioned that Even like then that she had some reservations about having ocean on television or as content because of some things that she was concerned Randall would have been maybe involved in and I'm sorry guys, you're going to really have to read between the lines there because it's not something I'm going to say out loud.

She doesn't really say it out loud but she alludes pretty strongly. But if you read between the lines, I think people can pick up what you're saying. Yeah, so for her to Again, to kind of drive that point home when she's talking about it in this episode and say, Hey, I don't give a shit if the kids on Vanderpump rules, I want her to be safe like that.

So that whole scene of Lala was the most relatable. That was a really, that was important to, to see. And I think that last year, I know Ryan Bailey, who had talked about how he wished he had seen essentially what we saw in this episode from all at that point, more of that. And Lala kind of countered with like, she couldn't at the time.

Yeah. So we kind of got this like. Really miserable side of her, um, and the dating and all of that stuff that I believe was just her having to come up with shit to put on camera to like, keep up with everybody because what was really going on in her life wasn't able to be shown. So, I do hope that we're able to, um, I don't know what we'll be able to see of, of that in her life, but I certainly appreciated that scene.

Yeah. So then we move on to a scene that I really want to breeze past. Uh, Schwartz meets up with James Kennedy, who is, um, I'm taking this from Lara and Carrie of the Sexy Unique podcast, but I feel comfortable taking it because it's what I said in my instant reactions. James is certainly feeling himself in this moment.

Um, and really playing up his goofy, overhyped attitude because I think that he is praying to God that his job is not in jeopardy because everyone's focusing not on him. Um, I don't, I don't buy it. I don't care about it. I really like, he said one thing that I kind of chuckled at, I don't even remember what it was, so it couldn't have been that fucking funny.

Um, I'm really skeeved out by James, and if you guys want to know more about that, you can listen to anything I've said about James in the past several podcasts about Vaderpup rules, or you can go to, I think it was Brunch with Bravo. Yeah, they, they have a podcast called, um, I Take Bravo Very Seriously, and they did an episode.

I want to, I really want people to focus that whole scene. Why? Why was it there? James wearing, this sounds so little, but James wearing glasses. There's a reason. This whole clean cut, sober, now sober James again. And look, yeah, the man should be sober, but this whole, this scene was to present an image of James because it has been highly alluded by other accounts that there is something being looked at when it comes to James Kennedy, and Rachel has alluded to stuff.

Kristen has alluded to stuff. It shouldn't really be shocking that this behavior is happening because we've seen a lot of it play on Vanderpump rules, but we didn't see a physical aspect. Allegedly, if there's anything and. I think there, people are trying to protect James right now, and I think he has been protected a lot, and I brought this up on my Instagram.

He really and Ali, I, it seems like they're in a good place, and maybe things have been really well, and maybe James has made some changes, but can you truly change as a person if a lot of your behavior has been covered up and protected? That's, I don't know. Because from my understanding, what has maybe been protected, as far as what James has allegedly done.

Which we don't need to get into, because I, I do have a strong feeling things are going to come out soon. As do I. So, we'll just, we will cross that bridge when we get there. But, I think when you have been accused of some things, and I know I'm sounding so vague, but again, I do think things are going to come out.

And in that podcast she talks about, um, Jamie all over Sheena's friend did a patreon, which I'm wondering if she got permission to play that from Jamie Jamie You can talk like she's very easy to talk. Yeah, Jamie's really approachable. She's yeah, she's really approachable So I'm curious if she reached out to her to play that I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie was like, yeah, go for it Yeah, but on that podcast That it takes Bravo seriously.

She talks about something that Jamie said on her Patreon, as far as what she found out on emo night. And then I was reading on Reddit, which take that with a grain of salt, that someone said something was picked up on a hot mic on emo night that involved James that may be triggered. Some people looking into James.

So there's basically there's rumors of an investigation going on somewhere in the Bravo universe, whether it be James Bravo, et cetera. You know what I mean? Like there's some kind of talks within that all of this is alleged. We don't know if it's true or what is true. I do think something's going to come out eventually, but long, that was a, that was a big rant.

But James wearing glasses, then talking about James being sober, I think it's very curated and there was a reason for it. I totally agree, and I would like to add on a little bit to what you were saying, so if you guys don't know, I have a lot of, um, I have a lot of interests, and one of those interests is the Girls Next Door franchise, the hype surrounding the show, the lore, I'm a big fan of Holly.

I did, uh, I attempted to do a series a couple of years ago, and I have every piece of literature on Playboy, and particularly the Girls Next Door era, all of their biographies, everything. Anyway, I was, Crystal Heffner, who was the wife of Hugh Heffner, uh, at the time of his death, came out with a book two weeks ago.

And, in my research about the book, because I wanted to cover it on the podcast, there's really nothing to talk about if I'm going to be totally honest, um, This guy, this site that I had not been super privy to, I'd heard of it before, called The Dirty came up. And there was, apparently the Dirty was like a blind item site for locals in Arizona.

And then it kind of expanded into celebrity life. And it was run by this guy named Nick Ritchie. So, I don't know, it's funny, because then, there was a po He had a podcast in like 2015, that Lala and James went on. And I started to listen to that podcast, having never heard of it for the first time, because of the Crystal Heffner book.

And on that podcast, of course, or not, of course, I didn't, I didn't finish it because if you guys don't know, James and Lala were absolutely at their absolute peak of insufferable in 2015. Okay. It's very, very embarrassing how they acted when they went, um, on interviews or on TV. And so I kind of didn't process it, but Lala talks about she and James sleeping together and Lala says, That she doesn't count it because she kind of, they were, she, like, remembers them making out, and then remembers waking up to, like, being like, what the fuck did we do last night type thing, and she saw a condom, and, uh, kind of, and that James told her, You don't remember we slept, you know, we fucked essentially and we the bed We were in the shower and Lala makes a joke of it and Nick Ritchie who's apparently a really disgusting person Apparently I you know, I'm he's not relevant right now He said something like you don't think that sounds like our word and Lala's like well No, because I got it, you know, she's like I remember getting into it I just don't remember it happening and I think that's really something to, that is Lala saying that, that is not me, you know, I'm not alleging anything, I'm not Nick Ritchie, I'm not baiting her into saying, and she has as a woman, the complete right to deem something whatever the fuck she wants, okay, she does not have to, she does not have to claim that something is, um, One thing when she does not believe it is that is she is allowed to do that and I support her fully in doing that, but I'm just saying his decision making doesn't seem to be like the best and he doesn't have a track record of being a really thoughtful, caring person towards women.

And so, all of that to say, don't let the cute face fool ya. Don't let the glasses fool you. Don't let his weird fucking candle fool you. The only reason that he's having this scene with Tom Schwartz and Sandoval isn't, is because Sandoval is on special forces. Kennedy doesn't even need to damn be in this scene.

That's the only reason he's there. And fuck him, is how I feel. Well, and in that same interview, Lala even said, How did we even get in the shower? My shower is so small, like, she Oh, right, it's like a two by four. Alluding to like, she had no recolation, like, no memory of this happening. So, and again, Lala has every right to say, like, she very much said in the interview, like, this wasn't the R word, however, that situation with other people who have maybe experienced something like that, if they have also said, This is, you know, the R word, what happened to me, they have every right to say that as well.

It is, oh, if I'm honest, it makes my stomach hurt. Yeah. It's like, that whole thing. I did not know about that interview until, um, Brach and Bravo on their podcast. Um, that we take, I take Bravo very seriously. When she posted that pog, that interview, I was like, Ooh, this makes my stomach hurt. That time period of Lala and James has been so scrubbed.

Never forget the Watch What Happens Live episode that is scrubbed. You cannot, you can find one clip maybe, it is scrubbed from the universe. That whole time period, I think it was like 2015, around then, something like that. Lala and James whole being is so scrubbed from the internet, but I think little pieces are starting to come out.

There's like a really weird video, um, that I actually tried to find a few weeks ago and couldn't again. I'm sure it's still floating around somewhere, but They're like at like a, God, is it like a diddy party? I'm just making that up. I don't know. I think it, it was, I don't know where the fuck they were.

They, it wasn't a diddy party. I'm, I made that up. Um, they were at, it was just like, it was a, it was like a promotional. I think it was a liquor promotion party. Right? Okay. So they were doing that or they were in Vegas or they were doing a Vanderpump or there was something and they were, Lala is. Not okay.

She is Sandoval on Vile Files times ten. Fucked up. And she's like, they're just very clearly on a bunch of drugs and very drunk, the two of them. And they like kind of make out, kind of. And then she, it's just like, And then I was, so I find this video. Again, I don't know what the fuck they were doing or why they were there.

And I think maybe I saw in the comments of where the video was posted or maybe read it. They were like, there's a lot of shit like this that used to be out there that you can't find anymore. I think it's smart of whether it was Lala or Randall or whoever that went back and got that shit down I think it's good now because um, it wouldn't it wouldn't be good to have out there on the internet Not not to not blaming her.

I'm just saying no Yeah, it could they could someone who was fucked up could use it against her like very bad stuff. They were both doing They were, they were not in a healthy situation, the two of them, and, like, physically healthy. So all of that to say, guys, I will be breezing past all James scenes because I don't care about him and I think that his whole shtick is disgusting and I don't care about Allie enough to talk about her, so, that's how I feel, that's how I feel about that.

And does Schwartz say anything in this scene that's important anyway? I think he just, you know, oh goshes his way through it. He just, he be Schwartz, he be Schwartz, Schwartzin. He surely does. So then we move on to Sheena and Ariana. They have a spa day. And they, uh, Lindsay, take it, take it from me for just a minute because I kind of lost my train of thought.

They talk, so they talk about Dan. And they talk a little bit about Um, Ariana talks about, this is the first time she says, like, I met Dan 11 or 10 days after Scandaval hit, she met him at a wedding, and they've been, like, talking ever since. Sheena then says, I don't know if Ariana has fully processed the trauma that she has had with Tom.

And I thought, but then, I thought Sheena was pretty funny. She had, like, a lot of one liners. She was like, But, you know, as long as he's not sleeping with her best friend, he's, he's kind of put on a pedestal right now. So, and I think, I think that is interesting for Sheena to bring up, because obviously I'm not in Ariana's life, and I think she, I think we see a lot of her good moments, but I have no doubt there are hard days.

And there is stuff that she's like, you know, had to process and I can understand Sheena kind of looking from the outside and some points being like, I wonder if Ariana has fully processed everything that's happened with Scandal Ball and I don't know if Ariana's really had had the chance to because she's just, you know, and I get that maybe that notion of being like on the go doing all the things so you don't have to think about things, but I'm sure she has time where she has reflected or started to And has those rough days and then this is where Sheena also talks about she's not she wasn't drinking during this period of time she talked about in her podcast she was on Zoloft for a little bit so she wanted to be very clear headed she wasn't smoking weed she wasn't drinking she got diagnosed after having summer moon um with OCD and she talked about that and I really I really admired that because I think there's a lot of stigma and a lot of not understanding of OCD.

Even I, when I went to grad school to be a therapist, it's not, it's not talked about a lot unless you want to go special, you know, unless you want to be a specialist in that area. Otherwise you get a very general view of it. So Sheena making it, you know, she'd said more in her podcast, not this episode, but how it's really those like intrusive thoughts and wanting to doing things to wanting to get away.

From them. I, I'm gonna be open for a minute listening to that. I was like, holy moly, I can relate to this a lot. And so, I know people give a lot of shit to Sheena, some of it I understand. I have always said this about her though, I think the girl's got a good heart. And I think it was very vulnerable for her to share this and I'm actually happy that they left this part in because again, I think a few seasons ago, I don't think they would have left this in for Sheena.

So, um, I really, I enjoyed the scene with Ariana and Sheena. It wasn't like this crazy moment, but there was some really nice moments in the scene. Absolutely. And I would like to just kind of contextualize all this just a little bit more with Sheena and the OCD. So, This is not something that she, like, revealed on, at this time of filming for, like, the first time.

So she was diagnosed, like, months before. And I'm not, I'm not talking to you, Lindsay. I'm talking to the people that are on Reddit that make me want to throw myself out a window. Um, because, first of all, a lot of people misunderstand what OCD is, right? They think of your stereotype, it's about flipping a light so many times or needing to be clean.

That is not the extent of OCD. A lot of it is coupled. With anxiety and intrusive thoughts about things happening that you cannot, you are not able to on your own keep these things from happening in your mind and you obsess over them and it makes it very difficult to function or to care, particularly when it comes to like postpartum depression.

So she was postpartum OCD. She, it's like extreme anxiety about well being of her child and her life. And you have to understand, this is not just about Sheena just making it about herself, which is what loved people, they love to call her flip flopper, they love to say she makes things about herself. What Sheena was experiencing at this point was perhaps an extreme concern about consequences of her actions when it came to whatever the fuck happened with Raquel that night, okay?

Yeah. After Watch What Happens Live. If it was determined in a court of law that Sheena did Punch Raquel in the face. If it was determined that in a court of law, I'm not saying that one way or the other. Right. Allegedly. Then that would be very, very hurtful to Sheena's family. It would, it could put Summer at risk because there would be reason, perhaps, this is what I'm assuming she's thinking, I don't know this from a law standpoint, I'm not a lawyer.

But I can see where maybe she would be concerned because her husband has a history of domestic violence that we've talked about on the show that Lala felt was necessary to, uh, expose and exploit over and over again, um, a couple of seasons ago. So now that's out there in the public eye. And now if something were to come out that Sheena did hit Raquel, even if it wasn't true, it could.

Be very, very, very bad for the well being of her family and she had already been dealing with this OCD diagnosis that came out before Scandal. So, again, let's just. Let's just look into things a little bit more, guys. Let's just, like, take some nuance about some of the shit that these people are going through.

I'm even gonna give Lala a little bit of slack here, and I can't stand the woman. So, like, we have to really look, like, like with Ariana in the house. Like, emotionally, it's like, girl, get the fuck out. Logistically, that doesn't, it may not make sense. So, it's important to keep that in mind. Now, on from Sheena about Dan, Ariana's boyfriend, I will say this.

And I said this in my instant reaction, this is how I feel. I'm not going to speak on Ariana anymore, okay? Because apparently, if you even remotely criticize her train of thought, it is, you know, I am trying to bring her down. And I don't want to bring her down. Dan though, I don't know what He's thinking being pursuing a relationship with someone who just had a traumatic event and then like I just if it were me I wouldn't do that if I were Dan, okay I can care about somebody but I think that I would want to put up like healthy boundaries and Those being like I wouldn't want to be associated with the show This is my personal opinion because the show has a lot to do with the traumatic event that Ariana experienced So I would want certainly to Be supportive of her, but I would not entertain a romantic relationship with that person.

And, uh, so I don't think that Dan is an opportunist. I don't think necessarily that he's like with her for fame. I don't think any of that, but I question his, his level of codependency, if you're like going to romantically pursue someone in that headspace, and I just think that like, if he was just a friend that would be tight, but Do you see what I'm getting at?

I don't think she needs to be dating anybody. In my personal opinion, it's not for me to say this is my podcast. So I can say, you know, my opinion, that's my opinion. Um, Because I think that she has a lot of healing to do, and I don't think that you can have a healthy relationship, um, with someone brand new if you don't come into it at a certain level of healing, which she objectively did not have time to do.

So, um, that's what I feel in my heart. That's not to say that couples that go through shit that are already established You know, have to break up if something traumatic happens. No, you can work through that. But the thing with Sandoval didn't have shit to do with Dan and Dan wasn't in the picture. So why would Dan need to be a part of that process?

It's just, I'm just saying, I don't think that they, I don't think it's a, like, I think she's setting herself up for failure with that. That's my opinion. Thank you very much. Good night. No, I think it's okay for us to, again, with reality shows, the whole purpose, and Lala said this before, they want us to, they want us to think or talk about these things.

If we're not talking about it, then they don't have a show. So us looking at Ariana and Stan's relationship, obviously, we're not Ariana. I hope she's happy. I hope she's doing well. Like, I think we all, most people want that for her. Would I? When I look at that, I'd be like, hmm, I might do that differently, but that's not to take, you know what I mean, like, that's not, again, she can do whatever she wants, but I would maybe want to do this differently, or, yeah, you are, if I was one of Ariana's friends right now, and they all have said, like, great things about Dan, but me as a person, I would be, like, looking at him, and then, like, looking the other way, too, like, okay, what else, you know what I mean, what, what, what's kind of going on here, even with Mala, kind of, like, What are your intentions here?

Or what, what, what is going on here? So, it is, I hope that she is happy in this moment, and that things are well, but it does, kind of going back to Sheena's statement, has she really been able to process everything that has been going on in, is that carrying over into this new relationship that she has with Dan?

I think it's okay for us to kind of wonder that as an audience, but again, also in real life, like Ariana, I mean, she can do whatever she wants, live your, yeah, live your life, but I have, I do have a little, like, I'm gonna just have a no on this relationship, and that is nice, like, he's not, from my understanding, a huge part of this season, right, we're not going to see a lot of him, I think we're, I think there is a point where he does come to LA, and I think we will see that, but, It is interesting because I feel like for me, I would be like, I don't want to have any part of this show.

And I think someone has said before, like Ariana has like asked him or to like, you know, to film a couple of things or whatever. But for me, I would be like, this, this is the This show seems toxic as fuck. I don't want a part of this. And Ariana's even said this show is toxic as fuck, you know? Like, for this group of people.

And so, it is, yeah, it is an interesting thing that I am just kind of keeping, you know, my, an eye on as far as like, well that's not how I would have done things, but I guess it is what it is. But I do, I think you also said this in your, in your instant reaction. I think Dan, he is a bartender and a trainer, right?

So both of those are the worst guys you'll ever meet in your life. Okay. Yeah. That, when I hear that, I'm like, I I'm, I'm going to keep noted that as well. I'm going to keep an eye on that. I just think that it's like insane. The fandom, again, they want to. Like dictate what people think and say about Ariana and Ariana is on the show and we there's an economy around the show so I if in my opinion think Ariana you don't and objectively no I don't think she's had enough time to process because she started banging the guy 10 days after they after this whole thing broke and that's fine I don't think there's anything wrong with like having a casual sexual relationship but we see clips uh, From the trailer of her saying, like, you should move out here like that's objectively more than a casual sexual relationship, right?

I don't think anyone would think that 10 days is enough time to process. I'm not just talking about the relationship because then I'm like, because I've always kind of thought she was emotionally checked out of the relationship for a while. And that's why she and Tom weren't super getting along. But then, like.

So that would make sense how she was able to like move on a little quicker like totally understand, but then it's like okay, but then you're like holding your friends like hostage from like speaking to him and you're like, it's, it's just like it's a little messy. And for me, personally. I wouldn't be able to do it and if I was Dan again, Dan, I don't understand, like, I would not be comfortable with my new boyfriend or girlfriend living with a maniac who thinks that, um, led lights are an expression of free speech like that to me would be like, you can't live with this guy because he's a danger to himself and society.

Okay, so I just, that piece, obviously I'm a little defensive and I want to say it's not against Lindsay. Once again, it's against things that I was reading online that seemed. Unreasonable because I think it's unreasonable not to sideways look at that relationship and be like, girl, you need to be whole, not just from the relationship, but from the crazy shit that your ex is putting you through right now in this moment from the extreme amount of fame and support that you got on a national level, which was, it came very, very quickly.

It was like you went from like a certain level. You went from like a. You know, mid tier podcaster to a fucking YouTube star, viral hits on ABC News type shit overnight. I'm just using that as like an example. If I were to, you know, tomorrow, if I were to like become YouTube famous, like that would be, there's studies that prove that that kind of rapid change in attention and fame is, jolts you and it can, you have to process that.

Um, I just don't think that being in a relationship is, is the way to do that, in my opinion. I think. It's a good idea to be single for a while and not be attached to someone in such a way that you're like wanting them to move across the country for you. That's my opinion. I'm not judging her. I just don't, I, I just, I am, I'm definitely just judging how I don't think that she should be in this relationship.

That's how I feel. That's how I feel. Well, and we This is coming from someone who, like, I'm a very big Ariana fan. I literally just met her. I'm a huge, like, fan of hers, but it is a weird thing, especially on Reddit. There's a difference between Someone being like, no, like, this goes with Sheena too. Fuck this person.

They are this, this, and this. How are their, you know, clearly she never loved She clearly never loved Sandoval because she already is with this Dan guy. That's not what you said. Like, we're That is not what you're saying. I know. Like, there's this extreme. And then it's what we're talking about. We're like, Hmm.

This is kind of this feels funky, right? This is something that feels funky to me, but it's not that we're trash talking like again, like you said, this whole, there is this weird period of time where any kind of, if someone takes it as a critique or looking a certain, certain way, then you aren't team Ariana or whatever.

It's like, no, I'm now watching the show and I'm watching all of them and they have all done things before where I'm like, what? The fuck? When I first watched Vanderpump Rules and Ariana came on, I was like, Ooh, I like this girl. When I re watched it, I was like, Oh, wow. The way she treated Kristen was kind of funky, but also the way Kristen treated her was also not the best.

So, like, I watched it with a different lens, so that's how, like, these shows are. Like, we're allowed to talk about these things and see things differently, but it It's not in the extreme way of what you said, like, No, fuck this bitch. She didn't even care. And I've seen some accounts that do that. And I'm like, Whoa, or like Sheena, Sheena only ever cares about herself.

That's it case closed. Yeah. And that's just not the case. So like, that's why I like having like this, these conversation with you because we can look at like, fuller pictures. And yeah, I mean, Say what you want, but I, I have a little question mark over her and Dan's relationship, but it doesn't mean I don't want her to be happy, but I got questions.

I actually, I actually like, I'm like trying to check myself into like, not being too parasocial about wanting to be happy. Cause I'm like, the true path to happiness is don't date this guy right now. Just put them, you know, Put, put, put him on the side, use him as a good support system, use him as a friend.

I don't mean use in a bad way, but just like have him as that person in your life. But romantically involving yourself with someone right now is, it's just not feasible. She's also extremely busy, like, and she's, I just, this is, again, I don't want to get too parasocial with it. I just feel like. I do want her to be happy and I just think she should take some time to be single because that's what I think about everyone in my, in my real life and, and on TV.

Yep. And that's okay. Um, alright, moving on. We are, uh, 19 minutes into the premiere and we are three hours into this podcast. Isn't that something? You know. Okay, so, uh, now we get an Allie and James scene, which I, as I said, we'll be skipping straight through. I don't care about either of them. Then we get a scene with Dan.

We'll skip through that because I just gave all the opinions anyone could ever want from Dan. Alright, so now we have the, everyone is going to Tom Tom. What were they celebrating again? What was the big Oh, James was DJing. Yeah, I think that that was it, right? He was just DJing. Yeah. James was DJing. Shut the city down.

Shocker. James Kennedy isn't down . Um, so yeah, so they all get ready and wear the world's most astonishing outfits to go to Tom Tom to see D dj James Kennedy. But I do think all jokes aside that this was the, honestly. A really tender, um, really well, I don't know if produce is the right word, the story was told really well and really put me in the moment for Ariana really effectively because.

They hit on all these moments that I think, between she and Tom, that I think have gotten lost over the last several years, and certainly over the last year, that were Why did we like Tom? Why was it such a shock that Tom would do this, of all people, when he is kind of a douche, and we do see him acting like a loser half the time.

Well This is why. And they pulled some of the most genuine moments from Ariana's relationship with him. The opening of TomTom with her and Katie walking arm in arm. And I loved the side by side of them going in again. I thought it was beautiful. And then they sit down and I felt Ariana's anxiety in that moment.

That was her first time back at this restaurant since this Her life became a very different life than the one that she was living previous. This thing that she in a way had built with her partner that meant something to her that she was proud of having sharing sharing that with him now is she's no she's cut off from that.

She's not associated with this shit anymore. And that was meaningful to her. And now she's in this place and. Schwartz is running around like a maniac and you know, all these people are there and it's the same people, but it's not the same circumstance and how jolting and heartbreaking that can be like, I've been there.

I've been in that situation, not with the restaurant, but with a different form of a different industry of entertainment that. I've been back in the place where this used to be the thing for me and so and so, and now it doesn't mean that anymore. And I'm supposed to carry on like it's normal, but it's a complete, it's like being in a foreign country at this point.

That was really, really effective to me. Yeah, and what really hit me, that montage of her and Tom's relationship. It reminded us that this relationship really started with a friendship. I really think they were good friends before. And what part really hit me was when Ariana was talking about her, her depression and him saying, like, I just, I like everything about you.

And when she said, like, I just want to go home, can we go home? And he said, yes, that, and this might sound weird, that really hit me because what 10 was a complete. Now, I think that conversation, a huge part of the relationship, he would have said no in that moment in season 10, because that was a big thing was she wanted him home.

She wanted to spend more time with him. She would go out, but she didn't want to stay out until the wee hours of the night. And he was doing more, I think, like selfish things. And she was trying to communicate, I think, at least from what we see on the show, I want you home. I want to spend time with you at home.

So just seeing that clip of him being like, yeah, let's get out of here. I was like, Oh, wow. So like he did have moments where he was like that. And I, it's hard because then I look at how he is now in season 10 and I just don't, I, I forgot that person was in there. And so that, that scene, the editors, They did a really good job.

I think it is. I mean, it was, it is kind of messy. I'm sure I heard at the premiere, Sandoval during that part, like went left. He didn't leave the party, but he left and like went in a different room or something. Yeah. And so I'm sure that was hard for Ariana and Sandoval to watch right now. Cause I think.

There is a lot, especially on his side, a lot, a lot of anger, but as an audience viewer, I thought this whole scene was very, very well done, just like you said, and it hit my heartstrings a little bit. Oh, yeah, I almost cried, and you summed it up perfectly. I think that's, excuse me, that's interesting about him at the premiere.

I bet that was really, I forgot, I bet that was really hard to watch, and then you think about, like, what Ariana was experiencing. Yeah, in her relationship at that time and like what she was asking of Tom last year and what she was used to and that like he changed and he became he hit something happened within midlife crisis part of midlife crisis.

Yeah. And so I think yeah, again, just, that was that was really effective. Um, so we get a little bit of that. Then we get, uh, I mentioned this a lot in my instant reactions. I do want to say I'm over it. They had a lot of slow motion moments and it was effective in that one flashback, but the rest of it was completely unnecessary.

I was like, guys, let's get some content. I don't need to see flashback. I don't need to see slow motion. I mean, so then we get Lala, who kind of like we talked about this a lot at the beginning, but you know, she kind of, it's kind of like she looks around and then she's like. Yeah. Yeah, something's got to work here.

Something's got to change here. So she gets up, she talks to Lisa, she pulls Vanderpump aside, and starts to talk to Vanderpump about how she feels she's starting to realize maybe she went a little hard on Raquel and, uh, how after she watched the edited part of the reunion where, or the, I'm sorry, was it the reunion or finale?

It was the reunion, yeah. After the reunion aired and they added in the piece of Raquel talking about how, you know, if she didn't have, if she did something to fuck with Tom, if Tom decided based on her actions that he was just over it, then she was going to have absolutely the fuck no one and that really hit home with Lala and she was like, I've been there.

I know what that feels like. Um, so let me roll into the back alley into the loading dock and send her a VM on Instagram. Like, Lala, please. But part of what comes out in this moment in the confessional, which again was a much more effective, uh, thing for her to be doing than the loading dock, but she was saying, and it's just, it's kind of, it's kind of like, kind of wild to watch.

She was like, and You know, when you think about it, all the things that she called me and all the things that the fans were saying about me, that I was a mistress and, um, and a homewrecker, it's all kind of true. And I, in the moment, in the moment, I said, no shit, bitch. But after reflecting and having a little bit more empathy, because this is how people evolve, I thought, I'm glad Lala had that moment and I didn't have to be mean about it.

Because she Ahem. I don't care. Honestly, I've saw that some people are like, well, she only even said that because she knows it's necessary for her to acknowledge it for people to stop hating her. Even so, even if that's your intention behind having that moment or saying that out loud, I think it's growth because truly in every other circumstance where it would have been appropriate for her to acknowledge that, she has refused.

And I, I, I, I don't know. How did that, how did that feel to you? What did you think about that? Well, again, that was another like, like, damn Lala moment when she was in her interview and she said, and if you wind it all up, it's all true. Like the emotions on her face seemed really real. And I don't think Lala is that great of an actress.

Yeah. Like, you know, like I think it was real. Yeah, it was. And so she, when she said that, I was like, okay, there is a part of me that I think She has realized there are some parts with Rachel that she can relate to. I do think, again, a main factor was Lala could be the bridge to maybe try to get Rachel back on the show.

Like, that is still very much in my mind. And so, but Lala in her confessional, it's interesting. I was talking to, um, Rob from Vanderbilt, Rob's, and he was saying, you can almost see sometimes in, like, Lala's, in her lives. It's almost like a switch will happen where she turns into reality mode. Yes. And that is what happened.

There was something, this was Amazon Live a while ago, where something brought up, something that Rachel said or did, and there was a switch. Yeah. And I was like, okay, this is reality, blah, blah. But in these moments, I'm like, okay, this seems like true, authentic. This is how she feels. I can understand her relating to Rachel.

In those, like that moment where Rachel's like, I felt like I had no one, and if I betray him and going back to her podcast, how did she say Sandoval reacted to that? He was pissed and he said, if you ever do that again, like I'm done and like went after her for that. And which made me feel so like he, Oh, he said to her, according to her, if you say you're going to do something, then you do it.

So he was saying like, you said you were going to stick with this story. So you do that. So use changing it like that. That's a whole other I can't go on that tangent about that, but that makes my stomach hurt. And so knowing that, I'm sure I wonder, you know, Randall was maybe telling like Lala things. I think Lala, because even in the moment, she knew more.

I think she knew more about Randall's marriage now that she is She was kind of acting like she didn't know anything, right? But during that time period, she was tweeting things at Amber. And I know her and Amber are at a good place now. But let's not forget, like, some of the stuff Lala was saying during the time.

Yeah, she's horrible. She was horrible to that woman. And so, but also, I'm sure, I don't know what Randall was telling her at that point. And I think maybe Lala had some rose colored glasses on and maybe was taking everything he said. There was, you know, nothing but truth with it. So I can understand Lala doing some reflection.

However If it really, really like her intent was to really reach out and get to a place with Rachel of like, I get it girl. I think she would have did that before the cameras before this season premiere. But once again, the girl did it on camera. I think she looked around and said, we are all, it almost seems like the girls had a pack this season that we're not going to fight.

Yeah. I know. Rachel, Lala, and Katie. I think eventually kind of get into it. But I don't know the way that they've been talking about each other outside the show. It almost seems like they went into the season like, we're not going to do it this season. We're gonna have each other's back. We're not going to turn everything into this big moment.

Because I think seasons passed when mama was like, Hey, I did this. It would have caused a huge fight. But everyone remained so calm. So then I think Laha was like, Oh shit, we gotta step it up this season. The production was like, We can't have this, you guys. We can't have the goodbye moments. Nope, I totally agree.

Totally agree. Um, yeah. So, okay, so. Once Lala sends, and again, we already talked about it, once she sends the weird, uh, message at the loading dock to Rachel and determines that she sees it, We cut to Schwartz in his dwelling, dealing with the plants, and I guess he has beetles now, which is really weird, Um, and the dogs are there, and Katie comes over to do the dog exchange, which seems to still be their arrangement, which is fine, And he says, Katie, do you want to hang out for a bit?

And Katie goes, sure. And I'm kind of like, y'all are ridiculous. I don't, I'm wondering if, okay. Cause so Ariana is refusing to film with Schwartz. We don't have any reason to believe that Lala and Sheena are refused. I guess maybe I can see why Sheena would be refusing to film with him, but we don't, we haven't really gotten ever gotten that confirmed.

Um, and then Lala hasn't had a scene with him. So I wonder why We have to keep, I just, I hate the situation for them, even though they seem to be handling it pretty well, um, with the dogs. I just, I hate that for them. So, I hate that Katie has to come over and film with this guy when he's so clearly so irritating.

I know, when he was He was like, do you want to stay for a bit? And she was just like, I guess, like, you could tell she probably was like, I probably actually have to film with this guy. No one else is really wants to. Yeah, no one really wants to talk to him. So let me talk to him about his Beatles and how he's like, and what really irritates me is, this is the thing about shorts when he was like, Maybe you can talk to Ariana and Katie's like, no, like, I'm not going to do that.

You can talk to her. Well, she blocked me. Okay, then I don't, I don't know how to help you. And he was like, Oh, I just, I love Ariana. No, you don't. Like, no, like his whole like switch of like, I he's been on that like tour lately. I'm like, I love Ariana. And I like, so when he says stuff like that, I think he tries to make the audience forget of his actions.

And as Rachel Has came out and said and let's be clear. I know people again like to say that Rachel is lying about everything when she said the whole Schwartz thing all the cast members so far have been like, yeah, no shit. That's true. But she just like confirmed it. Yeah. So him saying this whole, I just, you know, I love Ariana.

I miss that friendship. You cannot expect Ariana to think that because you helped. And this whole thing and she already has even said like other people have like come to her and said like, hey, I knew about it. This is all that I know. I'm really sorry. And Arianna has been like, okay, but Schwartz, we saw you on season 10, try to help play this narrative of.

Painting, painting Ariana in this light that Sandoval wanted. Yeah. So, for, I, I cringe every time I do, he did it on the Vile podcast, just when he is saying, I love Ariana, I wish her the best, I, I, I love to see her thriving. I don't believe that, I don't, I, I have no doubt him and Sandoval. When they're at Schwartz and Sandy's, they get trashed, and they shit talk Katie and Ariana.

And look, they can do that. Whatever. Yeah, that's totally right. Yeah, that is the right. It's freedom of speech, actually. There you go, Sandoval. That's actually freedom of speech. But then, when cameras are on, and you're like I love Ariana. She's thriving, man. Like, oh my gosh. I'd love to see it. No, you don't.

You, you and Sandoval are hating right now that these, the women are doing well because a lot of this show and Vanderpump is the men doing these horrible things, but somehow the women always seem to like look worse. Yeah. And so, they're hating that this narrative is really flipping. So, sorry, that just, when he was talking with Katie and just said that, I was like, I can't deal with the Schwartz, like, I'm a good guy, kind of thing.

This is the thing. I don't think that Schwartz and Ariana were, like, any closer than Sandoval and, and Katie. Like, I don't think, I think that they had, I think that they had a, a relationship of, Convenience, you, you, you end up being, you know, you, you end up being cool with them. You like them for their quirks, even if they drive you absolutely fucking crazy, but you wouldn't necessarily elect to spend time with them.

Like, I would say, I think the only person that had a genuine relationship, like genuine friendship With one of the guys is I think that Sheena had a genuine friendship with I agree with Sandoval Yeah, I don't think that any of them and any other I don't think any of the women had friendships with the guys that were close Outside of their own relationships that including right Jackson James like I don't think or I guess technically Lala is very close with with James But they fucked so um, and I guess to kind of dated but so I think that like I think that Schwartz is trying, he just should say what he feels, which is, um, Ariana's cool, but I like Sandoval more.

Because that's the truth. Ariana's cool, but I like Sandoval more. And I wish he would be fully honest and stop trying to pander to whatever the fuck he thinks we want. Because I think what he really thinks is, Um, I didn't like the way that Ariana talked to Sandoval, and I think that Sandoval was going through a hard time, and Ariana was not empathetic to him, and I would have been pissed if it was me in that situation, and so I took Sandoval's side because I think if Katie had been doing this to me, I would have been fucking someone else too.

Now, is that a, is that a rational, is that like a good guy thing? No, it's a really trashy guy thing, it's, but that's, That's the truth. That's how he feels. And, again, he felt, I'm sure he also felt like Ariana was like a nagging girlfriend. And, I don't think, I'm sure that Ariana was because the way that it looks like Sandoval was carrying himself, particularly after he got in that goofy ass band, it was probably extremely annoying.

It was probably extremely annoying. So, I, I don't think that they, I don't think that they were like sunshine and, and roses by the time of the scandal. Um, it sounds like there had been a couple of like kind of explosive like breakups, but that doesn't invalidate like Ariana's commitment to the relationship.

And it doesn't excuse Sandoval getting into essentially a new relationship while he was still in one with Ariana. Like people, I think that there is, this is me personally, genuinely, like. I think there's a difference between, like, you drunkenly hook up with someone one night, one night stands shit when you're in a relationship, and, like, he entered into a full on He started a new life with Raquel in his head, in Raquel's opinion.

Like, he was, like, ready to, like, pursue this whole He built a totally different life. Behind Ariana's back like that's how men that do that are the kind of men that end up having kids on folks Like you have babies on your on your wife like that's fucked to me. So All of that to say I don't think that their relationship was perfect And I think Schwartz knew that just if I could say that then and move on I don't I'm not gonna think that your beetle thing is any cuter just because no like And I think he, I think he agrees more with Sandoval's side, and Swartz likes to do this thing, he does it, he did it with Katie too, he, he, so he said, he'll go up to Ariana and he'll say hi, and she'll just like look at him and smile, my sister would do the exact same thing, like with people she doesn't fuck with, that's her reaction to things, it's still a very like, kind thing to do, she like just looked at him, she's not fighting with him, me, I don't like confrontation, so I would just be like, oh, hi, how are you, but, I That should not be expected of Ariana to do, but Tom Schwartz, I feel like, does that shit, so then it makes the other person look bad, cause he's just saying hi, he's being goofy Schwartz, and then with Katy, he would say, like, things to her, she would react to it, and then he'd be like, Bubba, why are you so upset?

I'm not saying that Katy never said, like, horrible shit to him too, but I'm just saying like there are a lot of moments where he would say something she would react and he'd be like oh come on Bubba you know I love you and then we'd be like oh that's just shorts he doesn't mean any harm when like you said I think He saw Tom and Aria's situation, their relationship, I think there was definitely some things that were happening that they were struggling with.

And he took Sandoval's side completely, but he's never going to say that. He's still going to be like, I love everyone. I just want us all to like get along. I don't buy it. I don't buy it either, but I don't understand, like, I don't understand what motivates someone to be like that. I just, I don't either. I don't.

He. He's already under a lot of scrutiny for the Katie thing, so why, why even give a shit about if people don't like you for your take on Ariana and Sandoval, or like, what are you, what is your stakes, what are, what are you protecting by, um. You know what I'm saying? I just like, and I have a friend, I said this at the beginning of last year, when season 10, that I have a friend who very much reminds me of Schwartz, and is the, uh, significant other of one of my very closest friends, and like, doesn't like do confrontation, kind of like is a little potstery for no reason, but like Um, you know, at the end of the day, feels really hurt if people, you know, aren't into his bullshit antics at times and it doesn't make him like evil.

It doesn't make him like a bad person, but it's a very obnoxious thing to do. And I think Tom just needs to, Tom Schwartz needs to step into his villain era because honestly, Tom's smarter than Sandoval, like Schwartz is way smarter than Sandoval and way more, uh, clever and has a much higher, uh, Effective, uh, range of being manipulative, like, kind of, I don't want to agree with Nick Viall, but like, I mean, Tom Sandoval's manipulation will probably hit a cap, whereas I think that Schwartz could probably be a lot more so, and, um, I think he should just be a villain, because The dopey ass, goofy, I speak for Sandoval, I have Beatles bullshit, I keep hounding on that because I just can't believe that he did that.

I'm like, it is so over, I'm so over it. I'm so over it. Yep. But he's really hot in person, by the way, and really sweet and kind in person to strangers, so that's nice. So here's the thing towards what I always hear, but he's a really kind person. He's really nice. I think he, he thinks he means well, or like Sheena, even Katie, Katie will say like, You know, he really is a good person.

Yeah. So I'm like, well shit, maybe, and I'm not even saying like, even with Sandoval, I think, I like to think with everyone, they have little goodness in them, even if their whole person themselves, I'm like, I don't know about you. Right. But, Schwartz is just one, yeah, it's either leaning to this whole villain aspect, I see, I feel this with Sandoval too, because now that his whole reputation is different now.

He, it's almost like he wants to lean into a full villain, but the people around him don't let him. So Schwartz is his mouthpiece, right? Oh, he's trying to say this, when really, I think Sandoval really means what he's saying. Like, when he says, I'm not gonna cheat that way. He means, he'll probably cheat again, because that's what he does, but he's gonna be, you know, he'll do it a little differently, but people speak for him, so it's either like, go full villain, or I guess, but also, this whole doofiness, I guess is working for him, like, somehow, because people still I think, for the most part, still, they like Schwartz over Sandoval, but they're just like, he's just a doofy guy, that's all you can say, but I don't, I don't fuck with him.

I don't. Yeah. Totally. Uh, was there anything else in that scene that was noteworthy? They kind of just Yeah, nothing I can think of. Alright, so then we move on, and the final scene of the show is this Once again, these women, very powerful together, um, very ill informed on what to wear in public to make me take them very seriously.

It's just, they're always, they come to the, like, I'm, I have it pulled up on my screen, like, what they're wearing is so fucking goofy. Sheena is in poodle hair mode, she's wearing like, she's, she's literally wearing like a Bratz doll outfit. You have Katie in an oversized denim vest, but it's not like It's a vest though, and it has like, cap sleeves.

You have Lala in her backwards cap, like, 2005 Etnies vibes, and then, who knows what Ariana's wearing, a big ass sweater with skulls on it. I just, I, I, I'm sorry to keep harping on this, and if you know me, you know that I can't dress for shit. So, but it's, I think it's mostly because I don't have money. But like, if I have money, I would be dressing really well, and I just want everyone to be on the lookout.

When I become rich one day, I'm gonna be very well dressed. Because this is ri This is appalling. It's It's astonishing. They really They really wear the most ridiculous things in the world. And they're so gorgeous! Like, these are four of the most prettiest women on television, and they wear poofy shit!

They wear Polly Pocket. Rubber outfits for no reason. So weird. It's giving Amazon Live. It's giving Amazon Live. But, anyway. So they all sit down for like a power dinner or whatever. And they're like, you know, kiki ing, having a good time. And I'm not totally sure exactly what uh, sparks the conversation where Lala kind of confronts Ariana.

Um, do you have notes on what started this conversation? Yeah, they, so this was a really interesting point. Ariana was talking, oh, I don't know exactly what led to this, but Ariana was saying she's had to unlearn things with Tom, which I thought was a really interesting point because she really wanted to get closer with Katie and he would say things like, well, be careful, which I believe, yeah, I believe.

And I, I, when I heard her say that, I was like, oh man, here's that. I really want to know the point where like their relationship went from like friendship to this really seemed like a solid. Like relationship to then when I think Sandoval tried to start controlling and manipulating things more because I feel like I've had relationships in my life where there's been like a switch, like they play, they put on this facade and then their true self comes out and so Sandoval being like, well, be careful.

Well, what is that? What the fuck does that mean? Like, so I'm sure Ariana was like, well, shit. Okay. So she's had to unlearn things. And Lala was like, Do you think you've done that with me? I still feel like you have your guard up with me and that you don't actually like me. You tolerate me. And then Lala gets emotional.

So I was like, Oh, wow, I really believe that Lala thinks that I think she thinks a lot of people tolerate her. And she's not sure if they actually like her. And Ariana was like, You could tell she was like, oh my gosh, like, no, like, I like you and Lala said, like, Ariana is a hard one to crack and Stassi has said that before too, like, those exact words and so again in her confessional, I felt like, oh, wow, we're getting, like, true what Lala is feeling so that is what, like, started the conversation and then they, like, hugged it out and then Lala was, like Switch, I think this would be a good moment for me to tell you that I reached out to Rachel.

And like, okay, so one thing that is entertaining about this moment, Katie is giving facial expressions that are hysterical. She is like, literally popcorn in hand, like, can't wait to see what happens because Katie is never going to be like, She's no, she's not Lala. She does not, like, tune in to when she's gonna be reality television gold.

She's just struck gold, okay, a couple of times. And as we know, Sheena is good as gold. So she's always on. So I, I assume, watching this from Katie's perspective, and Katie, who has really never been, she's certainly never been around, she hasn't been cool with Sheena in, A long time. So I don't think I don't think we've really seen Katie react or be around all three of them at the same time.

Really at all. Right? No, when she's on good terms with all three of them at the same time. So that was really funny to me. And again, I'm not a Katie fan, but, uh, she has so far this episode. I'm okay with her and I want to before I go on just really quickly, because I want to harken back to something you said.

The four of them going into this, realizing that they can't fight. It is truly beneficial, all of them, to remain a united front. Because when the Katie v. Sheena v. Lala v. Ariana shit starts up, it is very divisive for the fandom. And it like, it brings engagement, but it makes it really hard to like, get a story across.

Because of how, like, I can't stand the way that Katie treats Sheena. I, I can't, I like, I can't, it makes my skin crawl. And then I can't stand the way that Lala treats fucking anybody on any given day. But when they're all kind of moving, like you said, as a cohesive unit, it's actually really interesting to watch.

And so then Lala drops this bomb that she reached out to Raquel. And Ariana is kind of like, oh, but Ariana, I think, fourth wall breaking in this moment, I think Ariana on, I think she knows, I think Ariana knows that this was a production move. I think she, I think she clocks that in the moment personally.

Well, Alana could have told her maybe beforehand. Yeah. Because Ariana, to me, she looked A little hurt, but she didn't look like what I thought someone would look like if they just found out this information for the very, very first time. And maybe she did, but I'm just curious if Lala gave her a heads up.

She probably gave her a nugget of information. Yeah. She probably did. She probably said, when we go, I'm gonna have to tell you something, and so I just want you to be prepared. Um, and I still love you, you know, whatever, and then that's probably why Ariana looks so like taken aback when Lala asked her if she likes her because this is what I think and this is my conspiracy theory clocking in with my tinfoil, okay?

I don't think that Ariana did like Lala very much for a very long time. I think that Ariana's Um, favor, er, I think that Ariana started to appreciate Lala for how fiercely defensive Lala was of Ariana when Scandal broke. So I think that any favorable feelings towards Lala have been kind of cropping up to her very recently.

And, um, I think, probably, when Lala said, do you like me? I think Ariana might have been like, trying, she might be like, Oh shit, she knows that I said this, that, or the third about her. Like, I think that Ariana probably talked shit on Lala, or said some shit about Lala. And I think that Ariana in this moment thinks Lala's about to bring it up, and that's why she's kind of like, That's how, this is my conspiracy theory.

Now not that, I'm not saying that Ariana's like, trying to ruin Lala's life or anything like, horrible. I'm just saying like, The way that she reacted to me was kind of like she thought she was going to say something else and so then when Lala comes back with the Rachel thing, she's like, that's what she was talking about.

Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. Production probably told her, you know, whatever, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then also some time has passed. From the reunion and I think Ariana spoke very well when she was like, Rachel can do whatever I hope the best for her. I think she said something like that, but just over there.

And so I get that. I almost wonder production maybe thought in this moment like, Oh, here we go. I wonder. Ariana's gonna have a big reaction to this, or they all are, and so, when we, Ariana responded that way, and again, they all kind of had this, like, good moment, at the very end, and maybe this is my conspiracy theory, or, but I clocked Ariana, or, Lala looked like she wanted to say more, and she kind of, like, looked to the side, like, kind of rolled her eyes, like, I feel like she wanted to say more, I also feel like she was like, I wonder if her head, she was kind of like, well, shit, that, that kind of, We didn't really get a huge moment from this.

I still think there was a lot of Like context there, but the girls, I, again, I, my theory is they went into the season being like, we're not going to have every conversation be a huge fight. They actually are like talking things out like on a basic human level. But I think they very much have had that conversation going into the season, which is smart of them, especially since like a lot of the heat is on the guys right now.

So I get them having this like United front, but then I also get. From a show perspective, Lala, again, to me, it looked like she wanted to say more and didn't quite get out what she wanted to say. I think she wanted a little more heat in the situation. And then it kind of like, again, Ariana was like, that's fine.

And she said something like, I get worried because I feel like people take that as you putting a foot in the door. And, you know, they expect more. But that is, she's like, there's no foot happening or something. She says it something like that. And. I don't know, I think Lala just wanted to do more with that scene, just in my opinion.

Well, don't worry though, because, uh, after she does that, Sheena chimes in. Oh, Sheena! Sheena, my little poodle! Her eyes were bugged all the way out. Her, like, and I don't mean that in like a suspicious way, I just mean like I feel like she was, like, she was literally, like, shaking, like, she was very displeased.

And she was, like, she was basically, but she, you know, for, again, in my opinion, good reason, she was, like, And again, I think that if you think about this in the context of, this is not about, this is not about, like, me talking to an ex friend of mine, this is about bringing someone on, into your workspace that you have, um, designated dangerous, uh, that tried to get Sheena locked up, essentially is what she's saying, and I think that, uh, Sheena, in this moment is like, Well, we could have had a conversation about that because her coming on the show is actually a really detrimental to me and blah blah blah.

And she's right. Um. Yeah. She really is. She's, she's right. Um, but I just thought it was like the reaction that was intended for, to come from Ariana ended up coming from Sheena, um, because in it legally, I think again, Sheena has more. Uh, of a dog in the fight, whereas with Ariana, it's like her emotional safety, and I think for, uh, Sheena, it's her, it's more of a physical, like, tangible safety.

Well, and I think it's very surface level, again, to just be like, oh, here's Sheena, making it about herself, when I don't think Sheena is just going to Ariana all the time, being like, what was me, this scandal was hard for me. No, I don't know. But when Sheena is asked about it. Or from her, you cannot deny that she also was hurt by a lot of this.

Two of her dearest friends, Rachel and Sandoval, the lies, and then whatever happened after Watch What Happens Live, there, she was affected by all of that. And so to say that she is making it just about herself, again, I think there's more to that. I think she was hurt by a lot of this. I think sometimes the way that Sheena Words it or brings it up.

I can understand people being like Sheena. But again, I think she's trying to express herself and it doesn't always come out the best way. But what's what's so fascinating to me, though, and this is a little side note, but relevant is, you know, Sheena bringing up like Rachel and the, the TRO and things like that.

But the way that Sheena still is talking currently about Rachel, you know, Sheena still seems like she wants Rachel back on the show, whereas Rachel has so much resentment towards Sheena and so much. She's pissed at Sheena. She's pissed at Sheena and it's so confusing to me because whatever happened that night, Sheena, they have such different stories.

So you would think Sheena would not want Rachel on the show, because if they have a conversation, sure, I'm sure we wouldn't see the full conversation, it would be heavy, you know, heavily edited. But if Rachel and Sheena had a full on conversation, what would that even look like? Because Rachel is very much, has said from the start, you physically assaulted me.

Sheena has said that's not the case. You really want that conversation to be out there? I'm just, it's confusing to me how Sheena has still said recently, like, yeah, she should have came back and she still should come back. I think I think that Sheena, in general, has more pull with production than Rachel.

Right. I think that Sheena still believes that, you know, there could be a, a conversation that could be like, because now Sheena did admit to pushing her. Yeah, she admitted, yes. But, so, I think that Sheena is like, we could come to like, an agreement that somewhere between I straight up punched you in the face and, um, you know, I pushed you out of emotion.

And I think, allegedly, in my opinion, uh, there was I think that there was more involved, again, you know how I am, I think that there was like maybe substances or something involved in that night that would look bad for both of them. So I think that there's some sort of collateral about, I think that they both have something on one another beyond just like the, the shove or the punch or whatever that they could probably, you know, use against, against each other.

Yeah. Cause like, And I think that Ariana, or I'm sorry, I think that Raquel probably resents Sheena so much because I think she felt like Sheena wouldn't turn on her if Raquel gave Sheena, I think that she, I think Raquel thought Sheena's loyalties had maybe shifted to Raquel over Ariana and I can see that being the case much like how Raquel thought that Tom was done with Ariana.

I think that she thought that everyone was over the way that Ariana was behaving. And I have said before and I'll say again, I bet people said shit like that. I believe Sheena said it, I believe Tom said it, Schwartz, I'm sure, I'm sure that every which way Raquel turned, somebody was saying some shady shit about Ariana that would leave someone who takes things very literally and at face value to believe Oh, well, no one really wants this girl around anyway, and she needs to go get help and she's blah blah blah blah blah, and she'll be fine.

So I think that in that moment when Raquel reveals to Sheena that this happened, I don't know, I still to this day don't know why Sheena would have punched her in the face over it. Like. Yeah. It seems like an incongruent response to like, the nature of the information, except, except she, except didn't Ariana call Sheena first, so like, Sheena's on the phone with Ariana, like, what the fuck is happening, and then looks over at Raquel, who goes, Sheena, like, Yes, me and Tom have been having an affair for blah, blah, blah, and Sheena's on the, I'm picturing it in my head, Sheena's on the phone with Ariana, she's like, what the fuck, fuck, and then like, maybe then she, um, pushes her, right?

See, I, I thought it was, She reversed. Yeah, this, from what I remember, and it's been a lot, from what I thought, Sheena couldn't find Rachel. Ariana had called Rachel first, Sheena walked up, it was like, what the fuck is going on? And Sheena has said this from the very start, every time she tells a story, Rachel had the most blank, no emotion reaction of, I've been sleeping with Sandoval for seven months.

Yeah. And maybe that triggered something in Sheena, because just hearing that, and then Ariana on the phone with Rachel, and then her just like, blink. Emotion. I know, again, I, I don't know what all happened that night. They both have very different stories, but it is interesting because I do think about if Sheena and Rachel did have a conversation on the show, they could have edited in such a way because I could see them talking and Sheena being like, well, you.

You know, did the TRO, and like Rachel said in her podcast, which I was a little confused about this, how she clearly didn't understand the way of the law, that she kind of just had it in her back pocket, she thought, if she needed it, but it was really already a thing, so I could see them, if they had that conversation, they would cut to Rachel saying something like, I just thought, just in case we needed, you know, they could have really edited that in a, in a way to maybe favor her.

More Sheena. Yeah, so I wonder maybe that's why Sheena is still okay if they had the conversation I don't know that they're never going to agree on like what happened that night and unless someone which I think already if they someone Did had a video of that night and would have already came out, right?

So I don't think we're ever gonna get the full picture of that night But it I don't know it is like you said does not seem Sheena's nature to just flat out punch Someone in that moment, but I get emotions, maybe being high, maybe more happened that night. I don't know, but I think that she was, again, and you know how I feel about Sheena, but I think she, I think she's riled up.

I think she's, yeah. So, yeah, I think she was riled up either on, maybe she's on Adderall or something. I don't know, but she had been drinking and I think she was, um, Riled up, and I think that's part of the story that she doesn't want told. Um, because that's, there are stories like that about Sheena getting riled up in that way.

Okay. Um, getting a little confrontational. Um, kind of out of nowhere. So, uh, you know, that's what I think. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't, you know, I just don't know why she I don't know how punching someone in the fa I don't I'm just trying to think, like, unless it was my boyfriend, right?

Like, if it was my boyfriend, I would Yeah, sure. That would be reasonable. Um, but I just have never That's why it was hard for me to believe. Because I'm like, why, though? Why would she punch you in the face? I also I also think that, like, Maybe Raquel said something that Raquel doesn't want to say that she said, and that Sheena doesn't want to have said out loud.

Um. Maybe that inspired Sheena to punch her. Um, maybe Sheena said something or Raquel said something effective. Well, I didn't think you'd have a problem with it because you slept with blah, blah, blah. And maybe that's like bringing up Randy Glanville or maybe that's bringing up someone else. Maybe Sheena did something else that we don't know about that she wouldn't want out.

Like, cause like, why else would she? You know, well, that's interesting. Well, and obviously we're just speculating this point, but that's interesting point because Stassi and Kristen have both said Kristen actually said something really horrific. They both won't say before Stassi slapped her. We did not see that.

So, and again, none of this was on camera, but I know it does make me wonder, like, did Rachel, what did she say something more to, you know, and obviously people say like violence is never the answer, but I also think people are human and sometimes you just have a you know, like, Yeah. You know what I mean? A reaction to something that you had no, fully no control of in a moment.

It wasn't like then Sheena continued to keep doing it. So, I think obviously there's more to the story. I just, what fascinates me the most is Sheena seems willing still to have the conversation on camera with her. Whereas Rachel is like, nah, I don't want, I resent you actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm, I'm, yeah.

So we kind of, you know, we. Right. Right. Kind of end the episode on and a goodbye or goodbye to the ladies and then we enter the house Tom and Ariana's house and in walks Tom Sandoval going like, hello, and his home, which is like, no, no one's there. And like, it was the cameras, you know, the cameras are there because you see them outside like Thomas.

So, um, yeah, so he comes in and so that sets us up like you said for the rest of the season, which will be including him. And, and we just, we go from there. Now, question, not to make this another six and a half hours long, but did you watch, did you watch the after show that, that premiered on Peacock? I did, and I thought the after show had some even better moments than The show, because I think there was some interesting points.

I, I thought Arianna's comment of, I think Billie Lee's literally living in my house. Cause I'm like, is she? The girl filmed a TikTok in Arianna and Tom's house. So I'm like, does she live I wouldn't be surprised. Right. And so I, she doesn't live there. She's there a lot. And so there, there was moments and I thought what was interesting and the whole Sheena, and I know it was a joke, like, well, I know he did it, but Sannibal blocking Summer Moon, I can understand, again, not a Sannibal fan, but him, when you're in a moment of everyone is saying, like, I'm done with you, and then you have your best friend who passed away.

Then you have, because I've had people in my life before where I've had to cut out the friendship and then I hear something happen to them or their family and I kind of have this moment of like, Oh shit, should I say something? I usually don't because I'm then don't like Sandoval's reaction being like, really?

You're gonna say this to me after you guys have been talking on your podcast, which they have been. Yeah. So I don't really fault Sandoval. Or in that moment, blocking them all, I think he was able to explain that more in the after show. I also don't fault Sheena or any of them reaching out to him because that was a horrible thing that happened.

But I thought the way that Sandoval explained that I'm like, okay, that makes sense to me. But then the motherfucker has to say things like, you know, I think Ariana, she really feels safe with me in the house. So that's why she's okay. Like living with me. I'm like, you motherfucker. It has nothing to do with.

He says things like, well, he, she must not think I'm a serial killer or I'm not psychopathic because I think she feels safe living with me. And I'm like, and you lost me again, any kind of, I try to give you some benefits of the doubt, or I try to look at your perspective sometimes. And then you say shit like that.

And I'm like, and even Schwartz during that part was like, like shaking his head. It's just like, it's such an obtuse thing to say. Also like, Ariana wasn't really the one calling you a serial killer, Lala was. So first of all, chill. Also the fans are calling you a serial killer. No, I don't, I don't think Ariana thinks that you are necessarily, you make psychopathic decisions.

You're unhinged at times. You're unhinged. I wouldn't feel, I feel, again, like, If you're in a place of These LED lights are freedom of speech then like I don't like that. I don't feel safe with you in the house. I don't, no. And I don't think you're gonna protect me. What are you gonna do? Whack a robber with your fucking penis flute?

Like, I don't know what literally safety, she think he thinks she experiences with him in the home. But actually I feel like you are a major liability to my property. He . He's trying to paint the image to the fandom of I must not be that bad. If Ariana is still there, this is the thing though. I don't, I, I don't, or maybe he really thinks that.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I think that he even thinks literally that people think that he's going to kill someone and I'm just saying, I don't really think you're going to kill someone, but you are. A very unstable individual, objectively, and so I'm okay with you being ridiculed as a clown because you have clownish actions even if you didn't go to fucking clown school.

Dumbass. Yeah, well even Nick Bile brought a good point, and I'll give him credit, he goes, Sandoval, what's scary is I actually believe that you believe what you're saying. Yeah! So, in those moments, now reflecting back, I'm like, wow, he probably actually thinks, because he's so Tom focused that. Oh, wow. Ariana must really think that I am, you know, the savior.

I'm a safe guy to still live here. Otherwise, he, you know, she wouldn't still be in the house. And it's such a, yeah, an obtuse way to think about it. And he. I really do think he believes the things that he is saying, and so that is a whole other level to it. But yeah, when he said that in the after show, I was just like, Oh, okay.

And then I think Sheena, I thought Sheena brought up something that Lala had a good point where Sheena was like, I think Schwartz was bringing stuff up on camera on season 10 to kind of jab at Sandoval and that was his way of getting it out. Isn't that weird? That is, and Lala fought back on that and was like, and I, I don't remember exactly what Lala said, but whatever she said, I'm being like, oh, that's an interesting and good point, because she kind of was like, that's still like, what?

Like, you need to basically grow a pair and you don't, that's not how you deal with that, is basically what Lala was saying. Yeah. And when that was kind of being, I don't want to say floated as a theory, because it's not that it's a theory, it's just like when people were bringing up that he was saying things, um, As a cover up.

This is before Raquel confirmed that it was a cover up. So, like, at the time I was like, well, maybe this is just part of Tom's, like, nervous thing that he does. That's like, he's uncomfortable with the situation, but it's not like he's intentionally saying that stuff. But when you roll it all back, I'm like, how does, honestly, how does Sandoval not cuss your ass the fuck out?

I don't know, like, if that was my best friend, and we're supposed to be, like, in this together, like, I'm, I'm reaming you out for this. This is insane. Why would you do that? And then, to be Ariana looking back at that, I just, I can't imagine, and again, I have a friend who reminds me of Schwartz who has done things that are not, not quite that egregious.

But like, I look back on it and I'm like, you did say something funny in a moment when it was like, alluding to my Boyfriend cheating on me and you did like kind of now I didn't I never I'm gonna like cut that person out of my life That's not how I operate and that's okay Everyone is okay to do whatever and like I've moved on and forgiven him and whatever so maybe Ariana will do the same Maybe she won't it's up to her But like it was kind of wild to watch all of those things I'm like Schwartz.

What the fuck like I can't imagine being Katie either just like what's wrong with this. I was married to this guy This is weird as hell You're trying to like, what do you think is gonna happen in that moment, Schwartz? That Sanda's gonna say, you're gonna be like, Huh, I think that Raquel goes after married men, and Raquel's gonna be like, I actually really do, and actually I'm in love with Sandoval.

Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? But to be fair though, to be fair again, Uh, on that camping trip, they were on Mali. So, and when you're on Mali, you are, like, compelled to talk a lot more than you normally would. So maybe, like, that's why he did it then, but it doesn't make an excuse for the rest of them.

Um, and, and I just want to say something really quick, because I want to make it, like, clear. I, I know that maybe this isn't, like, the best way to look at things, but I do believe that there's, like, um, like, a tier of So I don't, I didn't think, and I still don't think it's like a helpful conclusion to say that Sandoval's bad is equitable to Randall's bad because to me, the things that Randall did are abhorrent and put people truly, literally put people's lives in danger.

Whereas Sandoval's actions put I guess technically put Raquel and Ariana's lives in danger because of their mental health. But, didn't like, you know, didn't affect children. It didn't like, you know, it was, it was just a shitty thing to do, right? Yeah. I think that some people would argue that the way that I think about that isn't fair and that I can totally understand why.

But like, So, I don't, I really, I'm not ever gonna be like, a reddit, like, Fuck Tom Schwartz, he's the most evil person, and you know what? Because it's like, when you start there, then like, you escalate it to a point where there is no, You, you can go anywhere with anything, and you can, and there's no like, Morality line, and then how do you, Rationalize these people's decisions, if you think that, Everyone is, on the cast, is evil, and a serial killer, to, Use Tom Sandoval's words, well then, How do you, how do you say that about Schwartz, but then like you're okay with James?

It doesn't make sense. So, I think that's important to like contextualize. So, I'm just saying like. You're gonna hear me say shit like that about Schwartz, and then in a couple of episodes, I'm gonna probably empathize with him. Because like, there's nuance to these things. And, and ultimately, there are some people I draw a line on.

I draw a line at Saucy Schroeder. I draw a line at Randall Emmett, and I've drawn a line now at James Kennedy, and I'm not gonna come back from it. But for everybody else Um, I think I have nuance in my heart. Yeah, and for me personally, sometimes Sandoval with some of his stuff, it hit, it almost hits the line for me.

Sure. But that, that man just triggers the fuck out of me just with his behavior. But I'm also aware of that, but in, like, really, if I truly thought every one of these people were so evil, I don't want to, I wouldn't want to watch a show. I personally wouldn't want to watch a show about just a bunch of serial killers just hanging out the way that stuff.

Sometimes. Right. Yeah, but the way that sometimes people on Reddit or other people, the extremist views of things. Yeah. So it is, I can look at like, again, I. I said I don't vibe with Schwartz, but he could say something next week where I feel actually I think when we start to see him and Sandoval having conversations, I think I'm going to feel for Schwartz in moments because I know Sandoval is going to double down and be like, you said this about me on your podcast.

How dare you? It's like Schwartz can't ever have like his bad feelings towards Sandoval and actually like them come from a real place without Sandoval like chewing his head off. And so I think I will feel for him in those moments. Um, but yeah, even as you said, kind of as far as like with James Kennedy, I very much just see him as like, okay, he's on my screen right now.

I think I chuckled at what, like one thing he said, I mean, the guy can say some funny things, but when it comes to him, that is where I'm just like, I have no interest in talking about you unless it's to bring light on things that I think. Is going to be, I hope, brought up in some, in some way, and that is, I don't know, it's weird to say, because even Rachel said, like, I knew if I brought things up, this could, like, ruin his life, but boy, if you do this kind of shit, and then it's covered up.

That's on you. And that's on whoever covered it up. So it's not about ruining someone's life or taking someone down. Shit was, you know, is being brought up or is known now. And someone is like, we need to look into this. That's on you. That is on you. And so, and it's so funny, our very first episode that we did together, we alluded to so much of this, this darkness that a lot of people didn't want to talk about.

And man, are people talking about it now? Finally. Finally. Yeah, and you said something like, you know, not only did like Scandal in one sense like the cast, but production wise, Bravo wise, this was a huge thing for everyone and a lot of eyes are on them right now and a lot of eyes are looking at Mr. James Kennedy.

Yes, and I say keep those eyes open for him as you watch the season, look at his behavior. Um, And just, you know, I guess pray for Allie. Um, I, I don't, I just, I don't know. I, there's so much, I, I thought about having an episode called We Need to Talk About James. And I might in, in the future because there's a lot, even more than we unpacked in this like seven day episode.

Um, like, I keep saying it like it's a bad thing and I'm just like so happy that we did this. So it's not a bad thing at all. Oh no, it's just funny how when you look at it. You think like, okay, we're just talking about the show and the podcast, but the way that we talk about things, there's just, there's really so much to it that I don't know.

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