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  Hello. Hello. Hello. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose joining me today. Your favorite and mine, Lindsay Lime of additional war is at 1857. Who knows? Who knows additional war unknown numbers, Vanderpod recaps on Instagram. Lindsay, welcome to the show. Hello, thank you for having me back.

Of course, and actually, we have an exciting announcement to make.   Lindsey and I are going to LA. We're going to LA. We booked our place. We have our flights. We have a plan kind of, and Lindsey will be joining me hopefully for all of the Vanderpump rules recaps up until that point, possibly after she's into it. So Rob Schulte of Vanderpump Rob's. Is having a live show. If you follow me on Instagram, I've posted the link. He's doing a live show with Molly McAleer of the trend lightly podcast.

They are going to be doing a live show. He is going to have me and Lindsey, possibly Lindsey, if she feels like it, um, as a special guest on his live show at the Broadwater theater, black box in Los Angeles.

And we will be, we'll talk about our plan with that in just a second. But Lindsey, I just want to ask you, are you excited? I'm so excited. I've never been to California before. Um, I'm super excited. I'm excited to go. Hopefully we can go to TomTom and to Sir. Um, I know we talked about checking out Swartz and Sandy's, maybe Jax's, but that seems to be like in the distance.

It looks like it's in the distance, but even Rob said that after the show we could, we should go get some beer cheese. So at Jax's. So there we go. I think, but maybe not. Yes, we will be going. And so. You all, we will be when, by the time you hear this, you'll probably have already seen it, but we will be promoting not only our episodes together, but we each have buy me a coffee and Venmo and all of the proceeds for these episodes that will be posted on buy me a coffee will go to our. LA fund. Okay. So you will be buying us possibly like contributing to like a pump teeny, but also contributing to Uber or possibly renting a car because, we are staying in Koreatown, which is cool. I'm not obviously going to give you guys the address, but we're staying in Koreatown. And so I know that it's a bit of a drive, especially with LA traffic from all the places.

So we're still trying to decide what we want to do there. And so, yeah, if you guys are enjoying these podcasts and you want to contribute to our literally making. At least, I don't know, Lindsey, how you feel, but this is like a dream of mine. If you guys have been listening to the show for a long time, you know I have been living in a fantasy virtual reality world where I Talk about LA.

Like I lived there, I went when I was 15, I fell in love and I have been trying to get there ever since. So this is a really big opportunity for me. And Lindsay, you said you haven't visited, you haven't visited California at all. No. So originally I turned 30 in 2020 and my husband and I were playing a big like Vanderpump crawl trip for my 30th, but then obviously the pandemic and everything.

So that. Obviously was put on pause. So when you were talking to me about this, I was like, Oh, like, I need to really look into this because this is originally what I wanted to do for my 30th. So I'm very excited. But no, I've never been to California. The only that way of the map I've been to, you know, Washington, Nevada, I've been to Vegas many times, but we've always talked about going to California, but just has never been the right moment.

Panned out. Yeah. But now you went to, did you go to the cocktail garden? What's it called in Vegas? Yes, I did go to that. That was super fun. Um, we had the most, she actually, so she in season eight, she was one of the blonde girls. She didn't talk. I don't think, but she was the blonde girl in the photo.

She was so attractive. My God. She was such a horrible waitress, but I didn't care because she was so pretty . She had, she had an accent too. Privilege. Oh my God. She, but she never, she never brought me water and I didn't care , because I was just like, you, you do, you girl. Like, oh, she was so cute. Um, but yeah, the, I had the goat cheese balls.

They were delicious. I forget, I don't remember what drinks we got because I was drinking then. But, um, yeah, it was, it was, it was a nice place. It was really pretty. Yeah, I've heard that it's really aesthetically pleasing, and honestly, I I'm glad that you're setting the bar for possible service that we can expect.

I've heard, I've heard things. I've definitely heard about the food at the different places. So I've heard, sir, don't get the food there. I've heard Tom, Tom and Schwartz and Sandy's primarily Tom. Tom is decent on the food. Um, that it's expensive. So hello, buy me a coffee Venmo. All that will be in our, in our show notes and.

Then of course, Jax is, I truly haven't heard a damn thing about, so, and, and, and we found out today, Lindsay, that the Valley will have already premiered by the time we're there and we'll be there from Saturday to Wednesday. So, um, most of y'all don't know me, but y'all love Lindsay. And so if you want to see her, hit her up, but we'll be hopefully hitting all those haunts, but the Valley should be airing on Tuesdays right after Vanderpump rules.

Right. So yeah, I think, yeah, I wonder if they're going to do like a showing. I cannot, I don't, you know, Jax is going to have the valley on 24, seven in that place. Yeah. I bet. Even if it's not like a proper viewing, I bet it'll be playing in the background. That will be quite enough for me, honestly. So, so yeah, we're excited.

So primarily guys, we're going there for the Vanderpump robs and trend lightly podcast. I will be putting all of the information, the event, brightly. A ticket link in my show notes so if you are interested in going if you're in the Los Angeles area or if you live across the country and just feel like damn using all your money to fly, you know, get, get there.

Then you should go because I'll be there and Lindsay will be there and we cannot wait to see them and see you guys. So that is our big news and kind of, I have like a guest co host kind of now. So that's like exciting, a temporary guest co host. So we're so excited. So thank you guys so much. All right.

Now let's get into this recap before we do. Lindsay, do you have any Vanderpod? News any podcast news that you need to drop so it wasn't as wild and the podcast land this past week, but We did have a pretty big moment with Kristen's we get to that, Lala on her podcast, which I agree with her, said this season has kind of been a snooze fest so far.

Um, I don't, I don't disagree with that, although I do think episode three, we got some good content with that. I agree. Sandoval was being Sandoval in his podcast. He had Kyle Chan on it. Schwartz was not on this episode. I believe he was in Toronto. So he's, he's with Jack. Yeah. What are they doing? I don't know.

They're galloping around the country and then wandering. One of them may be allegedly, allegedly. Yeah. And I will say that podcast, Kyle Chan did make a good point as far as asking Sandoval, are you still upset with James about the whole Kristen thing? And Sandoval was like, well, no, but, and Kyle was like, did you need to?

Move on and you can't keep bringing this stuff up if you're actually past it, then you can't you cannot do this when people come to you about things that was like, Okay, that is solid advice. Yeah. Kyle Chan said some things that annoyed me later on in the podcast about like sort Schwartz, but I say, well, I'm just just, um, and I agree that He said during Scandal, you know, people were coming hard at Schwartz and he wasn't, he wasn't the one that had the affair.

He wasn't like, he, I don't remember exactly his words, but basically said something about how he wasn't, you know, helping out when we know for a fact now. That while Schwartz obviously wasn't in the affair, he very much was helping things in that situation. So it just is, I don't know. Again, I think Schwartz just has this good guy act that everyone sees, and I'm just not buying it this season.

But, I don't know the guy. And Kyle Chan, he did make some good points as far as, uh, as far as calling out Sandoval's behavior. And I love that. Yeah, for sure. Um, when reality hits, it was, you know, same old, same old. One interesting thing I thought was, which it was Jack, so take it with a grain of salt. But you said, I think I'm pretty sure him and Sandoval share the same manager.

I believe they both have Ryan. Yeah, I think I saw that too. Yeah, and he said that Ryan called Jax up and they were talking about when Sandoval was on the, the vile files and his manager was like, I told him not to do that and Jax made a comment saying, well, not only did he show up late, he showed up wasted.

So again, now that's coming from Jax, but we all. Have seen and Brittany in that moment, usually when Jack says something that's not true, Brittany will then be like, no jacks. We don't know that or something like that. Right. So I just thought that was interesting because I really, I don't know why I thought maybe Sandoval would take note of that when he talked about the vials podcast.

I think it was two weeks ago on his podcast, but he thought he would cop to being fucked up. I don't, I thought maybe he would say he was hung over or something, you know, maybe not in that moment, maybe not completely strung out, which is, yeah, exactly. I just thought, I don't know, but it's sustainable. And then lastly, before Kristen, she and I did a Q and a, which a lot of people were talking about because going into Kristen's, she talked again about James and his allegations.

She said that, She asked Rachel point blank if James has ever been physical with her, and Rachel said no, as a reminder, maybe Rachel was saying no, but as a reminder, not everyone feels comfortable talking about those things, and she said that as far as the car incident that Teddy and Tamara talked about, she, it sounds like Sheena and Teddy had a conversation, and Teddy wasn't comfortable talking about that whole night, so, I don't It is, you know, but again, Allie said nothing happened, so let's just go with, you know, this is Allie's story, so we'll go with that, but then We go into Kristen's podcast, she and Luke were just recapping and they're talking about this in their real, real sneaky, like, do you think they had this planned or was this natural?

I mean, it felt natural to me. It felt natural. I think that they're talking so much about it behind the scenes that it's like, I think that he couldn't help himself. Kind of, that's how it felt to me. I think so, and I'll, I'll read what they were saying, but I think, so the first thing he says, what was so see you next Tuesday is what does James have a DJ name DJ beats women.

And then he paused and said allegedly, I think he took that moment to see where Kristen wanted to take the conversation so I think. It was more organic and they didn't have this plan, but he was kind of seeing what she wanted to say. And then Kristen was like, it's not alleged. That's exactly right. And then Luke was talking about how he's been seeing stuff in the news.

And Kristen just kept saying, it's exactly right. It's not alleged. And then she'll say, she said that at the end of it, we'll talk about it soon. Yeah, and there was like an element of teasing almost in his voice where he was like, I don't know just stuff I'm just reading. I'm just like reading stuff. And I don't know totally alleged totally crazy.

I don't know I don't even know where people would hear that and so it's it's to me like they they know They know obviously what's up and she like you said, she said she's gonna talk about it soon. I wondered if Maybe it was going to be talked about on the valley at listen. Um, I think it was, was it Rob who said this Rob Schulte that he's valley pilled.

I am the valley pill or maybe it was Ryan Bailey. I'm like, I believe the hype and I think it's going to be a good show. I don't know why we don't have anything to base that on, but I am actually, um, very interested. I'm like. I'm like most people, which honestly, they, why would you be, why would you be interested in this?

Oh my God. So yeah, I'm more interested in now. That's for sure. For sure. Um, and we would be remiss if we didn't mention, even though this isn't really podcast news, there have been rumors going around that Jackson, Brittany have been living separately. Now, y'all know how I feel about reading too much in these people's pictures.

So I was not even on the scent of this, but apparently Brittany's been taking pictures, according to Reddit, uh, with her dogs and with Cruz in a house that is not her own. That's not the one that she and Jack share, and I don't, I haven't looked at the picture, so I have no idea how you could tell that.

But I, I trust Redditors to be really fucking aware of pictures, because God, they can't. But then today, I believe she posted a picture. That wasn't her house. Well, right, but of course she would do that. I know, so it's just, it's interesting, and I will say it is confusing because they did just record a podcast last Tuesday.

They seemed fine. However, and I know Jax was in some comments Like, talking back to people that were talking about this and saying, like, why, how, how would you think this, like, I'm just, just because I'm not with my wife for like one minute, it means like I'm doing this, like, he was kind of going back and forth with people, but I don't, I don't know if it's just to get people hyped for the valley, or if there's some substance there.

I will say though, Reddit, they will spot any, anything, any inconsistency, any thing that looks out of place, so I guess we'll stay tuned when it comes to all this Jackson Burney stuff. Listen, I hate. This about myself, but I am literally rooting for their downfall. I don't want them together. It's like, and I did listen to like a little bit of when reality hits and I'm like, yeah, but they already like, don't fucking have any chemistry or get along.

So it's like the base level, the bar is so low that it's like, you guys could just be cordially, you know, recording a podcast because you already. This is already a flop, in my opinion, endeavor of theirs. So, I don't know, yeah, we'll have to see, but do I want them to break up? I do. I think that it's best for everyone, even I think probably it's best for everyone, but, um, shout out to Cruz.

I know he is the cutest baby, maybe alive. It's a very attractive young man. He's gonna, he's gonna go far. He's a cute kid. He's a cute kid. All right. Well, let's get in. And I just want to say one more thing, actually, one more thing. Because I, I don't want anyone to think that I'm glazing over the things that Kristen said.

I just want to reiterate again, that here on this podcast, as you guys listen, we believe Kristen and Kristen has literally now said out of her own mouth, it is not alleged that James beats women. That is what she said on her podcast this week. So I don't, I don't know what else anybody wants from, from us or from me, but that's, I believe Kristen.

So that's where I, where I land with it, you know? Yeah. And she said, we'll talk about it soon. So I don't know if that will be. An article that's coming out if it will be on her podcast if it will be on the valley like you said, so I think stay tuned and the only thing I can hope for because I've already seen some of the comments toward Kristen, but I just, and you said it before Kristen has been talking about this stuff.

Since it happened since way before scan of all, before she was fired, like when she had no, no incentive to get back on the show because she was on the show. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is still on podcasts that are out there for talking about things. So it is. It's not new, but it's making itself around again. And my hope this time is for people to actually listen and for change to happen.

Yes. Well, I'm not exactly sure what that change will look like, but a conversation needs to happen. And I'm sorry, but James Kennedy has been protected too long in my eyes. And I've always, I'd rather be on this side where I am listening to the women who are involved and if we're wrong or something happens, then I will, I will admit that.

And I will talk about that, but I'd rather be on this side right now. And I'm going to be honest. Probably for me, even if something comes out that's like, Oh, you know, he never did. I'm still always going to kind of side eye him a little bit, um, you know, like I'm still going to be a little uncomfortable because these people have, they have things to protect and uh, I don't fault them for that, but I mean, y'all know, I love sheen.

I was a little, I was disappointed with her this week. I don't think she needs to, she needs to drop it. All right. She's, there's no. She did say, like, it's not my story to tell, um, how Raquel and James broke up, so whatever she knows or whatever is alleged, like, she, she's keeping that to herself, and she just needs to keep the whole thing to herself, and y'all know I love her, but girl, this is not, this is not a fight you want to have, and guys, this, you know, something could happen.

And it could be, it could imply bad things for the whole cast. It could be dark. It could be really bad for everybody. We know we love this show, but at the end of the day, I'm just gonna err on the side of, Kristen just said that it's not alleged that James Kennedy beats women. So that's where I'm at. Yeah.

All right, let's get in to this episode. Season 11, episode 3. We are Back at we start back at the party at Tom Sandoval's weird birthday party and weird birthday party. It was a weird birthday. It was so sad. Dark. I was like, but it wasn't like mood lighting. I think that's what maybe he was going for, but it really wasn't like ambient.

It was just dark as fuck. Like why dude? Oh my God. So, we, we pick back up with Sandoval pulling Schwartz aside to talk about the conversation he just had with James Kennedy, and this guy is, when I tell y'all Sandoval is stuck on a loop, I don't know, Lindsay, you, like, have worked in, in some sort of therapeutic world before, right?

What the fuck is this? Where he keeps saying the same thing. With the same connotation, the same tone, the same, um, cadence about the condoms and, and he's doing this with Nima, he's doing this with like a few things, he does it with Lisa, like what, what is that? What is the deal with that? I don't know, he seems to really stick with the story.

And he will tell it to anyone and he will tell it in the exact same way. And I think he wants, he just tells it to anyone and he wants a certain reaction from someone. He wants a yes man, like they were saying later on the episode. The way, and I do think Nick Vile said it best, with Sandoval, what is, for lack of better words, scary with him, is I fully believe that he believes this.

That he believes that James fucking Kristen, even though Sandoval and Kristen were already broken up, he even said that. In his, in the last Everybody Loves Tom episode, but he fucked, they fucked in their, in Kristen and Tom's bed with his condoms. Somehow, in Sandoval's eyes, that is way worse than having a seven month long affair with one of your, with your girlfriend's friend who you are in a almost 10 year relationship with.

And I don't think, even if I were to say to Sandoval, here are how these two things are. He would still say what James did was worse because then I think he sees it as well James did that But then there I was being nice to him and always rooting for him and saying like when people iced him out He talked about that on his podcast here when people would ice him out I would you know be there for them And so I I think he just truly believes the stuff that he is saying and I don't know Why that's the case or why he just he, and we'll get into this later, like with him and Lisa talking, but he truly does not listen to what other people are saying.

I think he's listening for key words and then if it interests him or if it's going his way, then he'll be into it. But he does not. Listen to what people are saying. No, he truly is like the, um, like the Energizer bunny, like banging on the drum, that's just like, what's going on, like circling around in his head.

He's not hearing. Cause I'm like, by this point, several people have told you cut the shit with the condoms. Now I gave him on my episode last week, my solo episode, I gave him some credit because I'm like, it is actually. Very similar in that, James and Kristen were hooking up very shortly after he and Kristen broke up, and so like, Tom and Raquel were hooking up very shortly after James and Raquel broke up, so that's similar, but there's like, You know, the 10 year relationship and the goofy ass house y'all live in now that, like, all of that.

And you and Kristen were cheating on each other. You both have said that. So, and here's the thing. With this show, yes, you can say, well, they've all done shit. They have. But then, I will give Schwartz some credit here. If you want to, if you want to keep, if you want to die on this hill, Then go for it, but if you actually want to move forward and have a relationship with these people, then you just say sorry, you don't bring up shit they did, and I get it, like, there are times, like, I've gotten defensive before where someone will bring something to me, and I'm like, well, wait a minute, you've done something.

Like, that's very human, but to keep doing it the way that Sandoval does it and then, but then also get mad that no one wants to talk to you. I wouldn't want to talk to you either. No, no, I wouldn't want to talk to you because you keep, because you're saying the same thing over and over the same tone. It's very, it's odd.

Yeah. My friend with my condoms and everyone's like, dude, we fucking get it. We get it. Move on. My friend. Yeah. So, for the first part of this episode, we're going back and forth from Emo Night to the party. So, at this point, we see a flash of Emo Night. I just want to note, they use I don't know what the song was, I didn't look it up.

They use an actual, true, like, Emo song to introduce Emo Night this time. Last week, they were using some sort of bootleg, knockoff Emo song. I was like, this, I don't know what this is, but please don't, please don't tell the children that this is what emo music is, because that's not, so this week they, they, they upped their game.

Um, James shows up to Emo Night and with Allie, so that's where they were going, by the way, because we were both wondering, Allie, why the fuck are you in the car? Like, stay home? But I guess they were on the way to Emo Night. So James gets there and he goes, um, uh, well, I, I just got back from you know who's house.

And Ariana's like, my house and I'm like, guys, fucking stop, stop, and God damn it. Ariana, you bought the house with the guy. I know I get it. You know, she's just being a little cheeky, but they're driving me. They're driving me crazy with the house and then he's like, yeah, and he tells everybody what. Went down and how Tom was trying to be on a loop about the condoms and Kristen and all of that.

Sheena She gets Offended. She's basically saying Sandoval hates James and that's a known fact yet James gets the invite to the party and I get blocked when I'm genuinely reaching out to someone that I thought was a friend now that is me being very generous to Sheena in this moment because you know I'm not gonna be the first one to be like Sheena makes everything all about herself.

This was a little This is not about you, Sheena. Moment. But I got where she was coming from. I need her to stop caring so fucking much. I need you to care less. I need you to not Everything Cause this really This wasn't about you. This was about No one's filming with James. And Cause he's a psychopath. And so is Tom, and this was a mutually beneficial moment for both of them.

Um, so don't worry, Sheena, you'll get your time. Okay? I will say, I will, I'm thinking Sheena in her head was thinking, in this moment in time, I think she really wanted Sandoval to fight for their friendship. And I really think she was looking for anything saying that he cared about their friendship. But, but then she does say later on there too, that she was also during this time talking shit on her podcast, right?

Yeah. So he's, she's like, well maybe He's thinking that I never cared about the friendship. So what's this? It was such a weird time if I really think about this period of time, the back and forth of the podcast, the talking shit. And then we see this episode and she was like, basically, why wasn't I invited?

And you're just like, Sheena, girl. You weren't going to be invited, girl. No, and also I think you would've Did you just want the invite so you could just say no to it? I think so. I actually like 100 percent think she wanted to just be able to be like I'm not going to go to your fucking house, you know? Um, also I just want to note, uh, Jamie, Jamie all over has now released a Patreon episode to her, uh, public feed.

So I don't think that we talked about it on the last time we were together because it was just on her Patreon. I don't think she had released it yet to the public, right? She mentions in that episode that she overheard something on emo night that we see in the show. So that's this scene in that. Based, we should have some sort of context, maybe, but based on who she was talking to.

Now, it looked like, because we see a couple of different scenes where Jamie's in the background. Was that Cale that she was talking to? Uh, did you happen to notice who it was? Oh, I didn't notice. I don't think I even noticed Jamie in that episode to be honest, but to be fair during emo night, some VPR people that were there that we did not see Kristen was there.

And then Dana was also there. So, no, obviously I do not know who Jamie talked to that night, but And she didn't say in her episode for my regulation. Okay. Yeah. So she, in the episode that she released, talked about how some kind of conversation happened at emo night. I believe she then confirmed that story with people within the group and then they were still miked.

So then this is leading to now an investigation that is going on with James, with James. Okay. Yep. That's. And guys, if you want to know more about that, that's on her, it's now on her public feed. Uh, if you follow her, she's a very sweet woman. I'm not gonna talk shit about her because she does a lot of really good work and she's always been nice to me.

So, and she's had an opportunity to be on this show for real, like, several times and has not taken it. So, you know, just, just putting that out there. So, we flash back to the house. Sandoval is Running around like damn, Paul Revere to every single person talking about the condoms and it was just like the same thing and my bed and then I mean, he's like, it's, it's very Molly coded.

It's like he's, he is so in his eyes, just real dude stop. And it's every person, the edit was so funny. Cause it's like, you know, that the editors. Do want to be shady they didn't have to try here because he was you know, he was doing this Buddy, I was like shut the fuck up But then guess what? Doing that, he got what he wanted because in one of the scenes, he was telling Billy about the condom story and Billy looked so shocked.

Yes. Like this was the most horrific story that she's ever told and I was like, that's why he does what he does because In that moment, he got that validation, which later, I think in the after show, Ariana talks about how Sandoval needs constant validation. And he got that in that moment when he was talking to Billy.

Can you imagine like, just take out the morality of being his friend, but can you imagine how goddamn tiresome it would be to be his, like his for real, to be his friend? Because he doesn't, it's a friend who doesn't want to listen to you. And only wants to talk about his stuff and you just, that sounds exhausting and it sounds like he says the same shit over and over again.

Like we get it, we get it, Tom, we get it. We really do. And you know, I was listening to a podcast the other day, I'm not going to name it because I agreed with the guest on this piece, but then the guest kind of went off the rails a little bit. She went rogue a little bit and said something I don't agree with, um, later on.

But at one point she was talking about Schwartz and she was like, look, if it were my best friend and my best friend You know, having an affair on their significant other, I would not feel compelled to tell their partner. I would, if it was my very best friend, I would stick by my best friend and it, that would be for better or worse, but that's what I would do.

And I agree, I would honestly, I don't, I don't know why I wouldn't, you know, but unless it was, well, I can think of one friendship where that might be a little tough. But for all the rest of my friends, I'm friends with you, I'm not friends with your boyfriend. So. I just think, uh, I think Schwartz is in a weird predicament, but again, he's a predicament of his own making, right?

You went above and beyond. I would not let them fuck in my home. I would not, like, be involved in, like, using code words, and I would not be going on secret trips with them. That would be Yes. Very difficult for me to do so, but as far as like keeping the secret, yeah, I would, I would, I wouldn't, I would not alert the spouse or the boyfriend or girlfriend if that were the case.

Well, and, and also on top of all that work with Sandoval on creating this narrative of Ariana in season 10, I think that's what really hurt Ariana. Yeah. And so, but it's so, again, interesting to me because Sandoval, you, you have this ride or die friend, like Sandoval and Schwartz are meant for each other, for a life partnership, a life friendship, but Sandoval still, you had this friend who will.

He kept this secret for you, who lets you do stuff in his apartment, and he still, anytime Schwartz tries to talk to him, doesn't want to listen to Schwartz. No, he does not listen. So I just. I, and we'll get into this later, but I get what Lala and Ariana are trying to say to Schwartz. Like, what are you doing?

What are you doing? Yeah. You look a fool. Yes. Absolute fool, sir. Back at emo night. Lala, you know what emo music is literally, you know what, if you don't, like I said this on Tik TOK, get some culture, get your ass cultured. It's weird how you appropriate. Shit that I know for, I know good and goddamn well, you don't have anything to do with Tupac.

But you don't know what emo music is. Get a life, get some culture, Lala. I'm on your side this season more than I've ever been through, throughout the season of VPR, but my god, you know what emo music is. Get a grip. And Then Schwartz, we see Schwartz leaving Tom's party to come to Emo Night. He, Tom has like pom poms on his neck.

I'm just like, every time that I'm, that I'm like, I get frustrated with Ariana. I'm like, I get empathy for her because I'm like, I cannot believe you, you had to deal with this. Like, what the fuck is this? Why does he have a string of pom poms or balls on his neck? It's just, but then I'm also like, yeah, that's why you have to get out.

You have to get out of the house. Truly. Right. Yeah. It's just so attention. The attention seeking, the validation that he has sounds exhausting. So exhausting. So we get back to Emo Night, like I said, Schwartz misses Sheena's set, she is not pleased about that, and we go back to Tom's house, he gets a birthday cake, and uh, he talks about all of the threats that his friends got, and I'm gonna, again, me, talking about other people's podcasts, but somebody on another podcast was like, We don't even know who these people are, like, why would they get threats?

And I say, uh, uh, uh, because you were not on Reddit and honey, they were getting threats. Billy Lee, Jason, damn everybody that had anything to do. They truly were getting threats. I saw it in real time. It was very disturbing then. It's still disturbing now. And just to put yourself like, are people doing that now?

No, but I promise you back in the day, back in what was this June, May? Yeah. Yeah, they were. They were totally throwing insults and threats at them. Jason, for what reason? I don't know. They were, and It, that moment, no, it's hard to know, Sandoval is being serious, but him taking the time to thank the people who stood by him side and were there for them, I, I see that because anyone who's going through anything, they need people in their life to get through.

They need friends, they need family. And this was a real thing that I also saw in real time, where anyone who, I mean, we saw it with Sheena and there was a photo of them at Tahoe, people were going after anyone who was seen with Sandable. So I'm sure Jason was getting messages. I'm sure Billy Lee was getting messages because we were seeing this when it was happening.

So, I. I think, I guess it's, it is easy, especially in this episode and the last one, they're very much trying to create this narrative of who are these people? Well, people who don't just watch the show, you do know those people. I mean, Billy Lee was on the show, Jason. I mean, I know you blocked me on the Tom's most extra band page.

I don't know why I never talked shit about your band. Yes. I. I. I. Did I not tell you? And on my personal page, which is girl, my personal page is not, I think I just added you on my personal page. That is not connected to my Instagram at all, so at all. So yeah, Jason, whatever beef you have with me, it is what it is.

But yeah, hashtag blocked by Jason. Oh my god. , the, the, the tom and the most extras that got me blocked. But anyway, I. With all that. I know that they, I can only imagine what their messages were looking like during that time. Yeah, true. You were not participating in that though. I wanna just go. No, let the people know.

No, Lindsay was not one of those. No. I would hope people would know me by now that I was never. I am all for talking about these people's behavior because we are watching them on a show and the podcast Totally. And when it comes to actually directly messaging these people or saying horrific things in comments, that will never be my thing.

And I will never tell anyone to do that. You should never, ever do that because they are real people. Yeah. And it's just second questionable behavior. It's questionable. Okay. Yes. Then Billy Lee gets up to her old tricks. All right. She's in there. She's mixing things up and she. Um, almost kind of tries to bait Tom into bashing Raquel.

She tries to get him to talk shit and hype him up and, oh, well, you know, you've done everything for her and at every moment she calls you run out of a comedy show. You run out of dinner to just to pick up the call. And I'm like, again, and I hate to have to keep bringing this up, but Raquel was in a facility where you don't get to just.

Beyond the fucking phone, so if Tom and it does sound like to some degree, unless they're lying, which is, I'm not going to put that past them, but to some degree, he did care enough about Raquel to speak with her. Yeah. And so he's, yeah, he's got to run out of the comedy show, Billy, because she can, it's like being in jail.

She can only call. I mean, I'm not equating mental health facilities or jail, even though I could, if I wanted to. I'm not. Um, but it is a similar thing where you don't just have your cell phone, you're just on it all day. That's just not how it works. No. And I, I think with Sandoval in this moment, I, and maybe he really did have real feelings for Rachel.

But in my opinion, I think. He was really seeing this as she's going to get out and we're going to ride the storm together Yeah, a little bit more of the heat's gonna be off me now because as Rachel Has said in her podcast. He's very much been telling her how well you're just in this facility Doing your thing and I have to no deal with all this shit, which is so gross It was, but again, I mean, I, I really get why Sandoval keeps Billy as a friend because this is another moment that we see Billy saying things that Sandoval wants to hear that, you know, you, you've done everything for this girl and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he's just like, yeah, she didn't even wish me a happy birthday. Okay. But then. You know, like she is in a mental health facility and it sounds like his birthday is June 7th, I believe I have written down and he said they start or is it July? It might be July 7th I think it's a cancer, right? Yeah. So that'd be July.

No, uh, it could, it could, it could be either. I know that June, I know Joe June 22nd is the cusp of Gemini and cancer. So then July 7th is his birthday. Okay. Yeah. Cancer. Yep. So, yeah, so it sounds like they, he did special forces at the end of June and he said they stopped talking right before he went to special forces.

So. And we know in her podcast, it sounds like she had a moment after he sent her a horrific package of things, where a letter basically just saying how Again, awful. She was for being there. And so it's interesting watching this episode because we all, we have all this outside context, but then we're just hearing Billy be like, you, you know, how did, like, how dare she not reach out to you on your birthday?

Or you've done so much, but again, like Sandoval needs that. Yeah. And I'm not crazy. And when it comes to Billie, I'm not gonna lie, I didn't mind her on the show, and then after she left, it was hard for me, because I was, I kept hearing how thirsty she was, like, as far as, you know, being in the public and with the group, but I was like, so I would always refer to her as that, but I'm like, wait, are these actually my thoughts?

Or other people thinking it, but then I'm watching this episode. I'm like, okay, I kind of get it. Yeah. No, I definitely get it I just think I think that accusing anyone in this group or the associated of being thirsty is just like, what a waste of time, obviously, like, or people maybe invalidating other people that have legitimate claims and being like, they're thirsty, all of these people, everyone that you are watching is thirsty, okay, they're all thirsty.

Okay, all dehydrated. They're dehydrated. They need an IV, which is great because the next scene we have, we see Anne, bless her, cleaning up Tom's apartment while Ariana is seemingly knocked out on the couch and Katie arrives and they are getting an IV with like a hangover IV. Again, I have to try that. I just, I would, I just want one.

We need, this is, uh, guys, you're, if you do end up donating, your money will go to me getting an IV when I'm in LA. Ha ha ha ha ha. Just kidding. I definitely needed some of those in my early 20s. That's pretty damn sure. Okay. So they're, they're, they're sitting down, they're getting this IV, they're kind of talking about what they've got going on.

So Katie is talking about how she's going to go meet Sheena later. And have dinner. Katie is fake as hell and, um, mean about Sheena and I hate it. And that's how I feel. , that's all I have to say. I'm so sick of that, you know, already. I just don't, I don't ever see them having a real friendship because they hate each other.

One, well, one they hate each other, and I definitely like Katie more than you do. But I will say with Katie. She seems like, particularly with Sheena, maybe this is just on the show, I don't know how she is with friendships and her. Off the show, but she know we'll just do one thing that will piss Katie off and then Katie will run with it Yeah And so that to me like I feel like if I was she now I would always be on edge and we even see that Later on when they're having dinner.

She knows apologizing for inviting shorts Yeah, and so I think I don't know I I think it's nice for them probably to be peaceful with each other I'm sure they don't like to have The, like, hostility they had season 10, but as far as them actually trying to form a friendship, and I know off the show we've seen them at each other's parties and things like that, so maybe they are getting along better, but as far as them having a real close friendship, I just, I don't, I don't see it for them, too.

I hope they can get, stay to a place where they're civil and get along, but as far as being besties, I don't see it. I just hope that they're both playing the game equally as well so when Katie says rude shit like the lights are on someone's home which is like what the fuck are you saying that for um then like because Katie her standards for loyalty would also put me on edge and Ariana says this she says Sheena is very likely to she doesn't say get taken advantage of but You tell Sheena a sob story and she's gonna believe it.

It's basically what Ariana says. So she's susceptible to everybody's pity party. And Katie's just like on her high horse about it. I'm like, Katie, Sheena doesn't actually owe you this. Like, she does not owe you. Anything, and I think that the problem is Katie says things off camera or in the moment are one way and then she just gets triggered by Sheena so hard.

I think that's what you said. They're never going to be friends because they push each other's buttons so easily and it's just, it's not going to happen for them. And I don't appreciate Katie sitting there. It's almost like she's trying to like warn Ariana. And it's like, girl, Ariana is. She knows what's good with Sheena.

She knows what's really up with Sheena. Okay, so let her have her friendship Don't be weird. Don't be weird Katie, but she's well and obviously Ariana and Sheena while it seems like Yeah Moments but for the most part Ariana and Sheena seem to have a real, real friendship that's lasted for a long time and Ariana gets Sheena, she gets that while Sheena's best intentions may be to set boundaries and to either cut people off or to distance herself, like you said, if you come to her, With a sad story or you give her compliments.

I noticed Shorts was doing that with Sheena. She loves a compliment. Yes. Then her tune can change and Ariana gets that. And that seems to and I think that kind of goes against because I know Ariana. I mean, we heard her say and people are like, she said she was going to cut, you know, everybody out that was talking to Tom, but I think even Ariana knows with Sheena, like Sheena has good intentions for the most part.

I also don't think Ariana, I think Ari, I hope Ariana knows that's not a sustainable method for her job. So hopefully that's in the back of her mind. So, next, we get this scene, and like, this is a really sad scene, and some really serious topics are, are, are hit on. But I do want to just note a couple of things.

Lisa Vanderpump is at Pump while it's being shut down. She's on the phone with her husband, and she's kind of lamenting about the good ol days of Pomp and how she never wanted to see it close, blah blah blah. Sandoval walks up with this fuckin Vacation Bible School ass flower planter, okay, and gives it to her, it's in a literal shoebox.

I'm like, why are you doing this? It's, he's, he's off his game. Like, this is not cute. And he comes up basically to have this conversation about What he did wrong. So I'm assuming this is probably one of the first scenes that they filmed together, right? Because we haven't seen him and her. I think so. So this has to be their first scene filming together and Again, we do get into some really serious topics But I just want to say that the way that he was talking to Lisa Was literally triggering for me because it is reminding me of like times where when I was in when I was a behavior crisis deescalator in the, in the school, and I would be in the school and talking to a kid and.

I'm like, I have to call your mom and this kid knows damn well that he just ran around the school with a pair of scissors talking about I'm about to stab his ass and the whole school had to shut down and I'm having to like wrangle the scissors out of your hands and then we're sitting down because the major event is over but yeah dude I'm gonna have to call your mom and you're screaming at me because I have to call your mom because you were gonna stab somebody.

That is what this felt like. The only difference is that In my line of work, it is not helpful to match their energy and to, and Lisa was kind of like matching his energy, so it was just like a very raw, very, it was, it was a tense scene, uh, but they were talking about tense shit, you know? Well, and I will say with Lisa, she didn't start out that way.

What triggered him? I noticed. So she said they're talking about the house and then she was like, I don't understand the house. Like how you just, you should have done the gentlemanly thing and moved out. And he was like, or like one of us could have it. And I sent Aria a letter of intent, blah, blah, blah.

And she was like, okay, so what are, what are you going to do to move forward? So there it was. Her questioning him. And that's when he was like, I don't know. And it just went from there because Lisa was asking him questions and he did not want. To think of the answers, and that's what, that's what frustrates me so much with Sandoval, because just, and we've seen glimpses of it, but just say what you truly mean.

He says, I don't know, you know, like, all the time, because he's trying to fill in how he can say things. Without sounding like a complete douchebag, but I would respect you a lot more if you would just say, you know what, Lisa? I don't really give a fuck right now. People are saying shit on their podcast. I want to stay in my fucking house Ariana can eat shit.

Yeah, that's not my words. I think Sandoval would want to say that brain Yeah, yes in just let it loose But instead you say I don't know and Lisa fights back And Lisa stopped, like she starts a conversation. She does not get as heated as he does, but then she's finally like, yeah, but then she's like, why are you so angry?

Like you cannot have this anger. And then he is just so, because he doesn't want, it's easy at her and that moment to just say, I don't know. I don't know. And to put the blame on everyone else instead of just saying right now he's pissed at everyone. He's angry. And. You know, making it the Tom show, but he, he can't do that.

And so what does he do? He argues, he pushes back and then we have this moment of him saying, you know, he has been having really dark thoughts and, and I almost wonder, Tom said in his podcast, this was like a two hour conversation and we only saw five minutes of it, but the way it was edited was, you know, he mentioned he was having dark thoughts.

And Lisa goes, no, no, no, no, no. And he was like, don't tell me how to feel. I took that as her just being like, pause, hang on. Like she wasn't saying no to you feeling that way. It was like, Whoa, we're getting too serious. Like, that's how I took it too. But I don't know if you just heard the word no. And so he was like, don't tell me how to feel.

Or maybe she could have said. Something more in that moment, but it's just interesting how his brain was like don't tell me how to feel I'm like that is not if any person she has been telling you to feel all the feels But just be a little damn remorseful about your actions Well, it's it's interesting in that he is exhibiting such low levels of emotional maturity, I mean this is it's so It's astonishing that he does not have, he doesn't even, it's interesting, he doesn't have a stock answer to these questions that by this point we know he's been asked a million times and he doesn't even have a decent stock answer, even though he has the resources to have like media training and he's so concerned about his image and what he's going to look like.

But I'm like, it would look better if you had answer because continuously bringing up it. About Ariana and you not having sex, you should know by this point, May or June, that's not working. Continuously talking about James and Kristen, that's not working. The fucking batteries isn't working. So, what, what do you think?

You're gonna, you need to have an answer for these questions when you're confronted with them on television and if you, who you take your image so seriously that you feel destroyed by it, it's just crazy to me that he doesn't have an answer and I do think when he admits that he was having a suicidal ideation that I think that that was genuine, um, because I don't know how else Someone would feel the way that people were kind of coming for him, um, you know, and I guess if he does have really low emotional maturity, like, then it probably is even harder than people understand for him to process the situation.

I don't, I, I just, it's crazy. I never really noticed that he was like this until now. He seemed to kind of have it together. And I know there's been a lot of talk right now, and some comments that I've not really liked as far as Tom's mental health. Oh, I'm so sorry. I just want to, I want to be very clear about what I just said.

When I said I thought he should have had it together, I meant, I thought that he would have an answer. Or that he, I didn't realize that he was so like, lost in the sauce when it came to like, PR. That I did not mean that about his mental health. I just want to be very clear. Oh yeah, I didn't take it that way at all, but I, I, we, and you have talked about some, the way that people have been talking about Tom's mental health.

And look, I'm, I. And some of it I get because here's the thing, I'm going to take the high road and I'm not going to talk about Tom's mental health the way that he has talked about Ariana and the way that he has talked about Kristen and other people. I will show, I will show compassion with him in this moment because if you think about it, when Scannable hit, his whole, what he has built, his reputation, everything like that was crumbling down, all the messages that he was getting.

That could drive any person to that level. So I'm not going to be, to sit here and say that, no, there's no way he was actually feeling that because as someone who has dealt with that before, those are not fun thoughts to have in Sandoval. He has family, he has friends. I'm sure they all were super worried about him in this moment.

And it is a really scary thing. And even Lisa, who has. Been through it hurt. She lost her brother. Her brother died by suicide. And so it, it was, it just is so weird because this whole conversation with Lisa, he's acting like a middle schooler. And then, but then you have this part where he's bringing up some bullshit.

So then you're like, Oh, Sandoval, like you, you make it real, real hard. For people sometimes, and it, and, but like I said, when it comes to this stuff, I will show compassion with him, and I am glad that It seems like he's in a lot better place and I'm glad it sounds like when he was having those thoughts, he was telling people and that's the biggest thing you can do.

And so, and it sounds like those people, I don't know, he was able to get help in whatever way he needed in that moment. And I'm, I'm glad for that. And I, I understand people being like, He's manipulative, and he's a liar, and, like, people do this, and I mean, again, people usually, if they're lying about S. I.,

they're, they're doing it to, uh, either stay in a, get someone to stay, or to, uh, maybe attract, or get, sometimes people do it to sympathy, I guess. But that is not the case all the time, and it is better to take the high road, like you said, and, and again, if you really look at it, like we were saying earlier, no, people were threatening.

His friend, like people were like, I'm, if someone, if my friends were like, Hey, um, you said something on who the fuck knows of Emily Rose and people really fucking hate that. So I actually can't even talk to you as you're one of your best friends. I actually can't even speak to you. Like, I don't care what the fuck I said or did that would put me in a very unpleasant headspace.

Very unpleasant. Well, look, I've worked with children before, and it sounds like you have too, and I'm sure you've had a moment where you have a kid in crisis, and in an instance, they will say, I want to kill myself. Yes. You may know, because as a person who works with children and with behaviors, you, you develop, Years of experience.

Okay. This kid is just angry. He's upset. That's how I express being upset. Yeah. You have to assess it. And if that kid keeps saying it, then I'm going to have to send that kid to the hospital. I will never in my mind just be like, he doesn't mean it because you cannot have that way of thinking. So say if Sandoval, if you want to say he was being manipulative, this or that or that.

Okay. But once those Words come out of someone's mouth, you got to take it serious. No, literal, like, mandated reporter vibes. We, it's a literal law and like, I am right now required by law to report that. So, um, it is what, and I think it actually technically being a mandated reporter, I would have to Do that with anyone, not just the kids that I work with.

So I just literally copy everything you said. I have to take it seriously. I'm glad that he did not. I don't want anyone on this show to have any kind of serious crisis. That's why I take Raquel situation so deeply seriously. That's why I didn't like when certain accounts. We're out here saying that they talked to Katie who said that she wasn't really in a fucking mental health facility.

That's why I don't like Katie. Okay. So I take I take that all very, very seriously. And so this thing was very heavy. Um, but The way that he was talking to Lisa, I don't know how she took it. Cause he was not being very respectful of his elders. No, I would have said bye. I'm not having this. I'm not, I'm your grown ass man.

I'm not having a conversation with a child. Call me when you calm the fuck down, is what I would have said to him. Period. Um, okay, so Oh, one more thing about Tom and one thing that I wrote down something else that I'm noticing is he is repeating like verbatim things that either cast members have said clearly that he's watched from the show or that they've said on podcast.

So. When he says things like, I'm not living my rockstar dreams. That's a direct response to something that was said about him. And I just, again, I think it's very interesting. He is responding to the trite social media conversation, edited, whether it's on the show, around him. Instead of like, the actual situation that he's in.

It's like he's Living in the show, and it's very odd, it's, it's very odd, but the rock surgery, I was like, That is something that has literally come out of someone's mouth, it's interesting. Why else would you say that? This is the first time when she brings it up with Sheena later on, but he told Lisa about Nima's, Nima and Sheena's podcast and how so sexually explicit it was, which I listened to that podcast.

I recapped that podcast. Yes, Nima did make a comment saying Rachel wanted to fuck in Sheena's bed. Was that necessary? No. However, Sandoval, you are not this Man of reason you talked, allegedly filmed Rachel without permission, made that t shirt comment about Ariana has said a lot of shitty, nasty thing about women.

So for him, but he, I don't, he was really hoping in that moment, like he just wanted to say how nasty this podcast was and how Rachel, he basically had to talk her off the ledge is what he says. Almost with Sheena. And I'm like, who told, did you tell Rachel about this because I'm sorry, I don't think this facility, they were just going to let her listen to podcasts or the one who called her.

And you probably told a very exaggerated story of what podcast. He also probably chewed her out because. He said, Nima said that Rachel told him that Sandoval mentioned something about a, you know, open relationship and he was like, yeah, because well, in his reaction, I fully believe that he did that. No, Rachel may come out on her podcast cause she has not addressed episode three and maybe she'll have a different version of all of that.

But. But Sandoval's reaction, I could almost just picture him chewing her out and being like, how dare you bring that up? Oh, he said all this nasty stuff about you. And so I fully think he's the one that told her about it. Because also, and this is what I've been thinking ever since the episode aired that Nima saying that the way that Tom is like telling it is not.

Really, the way that it came across, and that's not to say Now, to be fair, Nima came off like, kind of a douchebag, and he is. I don't know if you watch Shaws of Sunset, but everyone on that show If you think that Vanderpump Rules cast is deplorable, Shaws of Sunset brings it to a whole different fucking level.

A whole different I've heard. But, again, like, that was not, like, a standout moment. Also, and I'm so glad you brought this up Because, uh, I guess we could, we'll just, I'll just say it now. In line with people making threats towards random ass strangers that they see in the background of a picture somewhere, people absolutely did drag Sheena for the extended cut when Sheena said that someone told her that Raquel had been saying that Ariana and Tom were in an open relationship.

She tells this to Ariana. Yeah. And she was dragged for that. It was very bizarre, again, because people were saying that she was like, that she knew. People were saying that Sheena knew and was keeping it from, from Ariana. And so their evidence for that was that someone, that comment about the open relationship.

Which was so funny because like, Lala Has all but basically said she fucking knew it didn't say anything, but Sheena says that someone told her that someone else said that they were in an open relationship, and it's like, everyone's like, Sheena's evil, she's the dumbest, she's the dumbest friend in the world.

So that's why she had Nima on the podcast. Because this was the accusation was that Sheena knew and wasn't telling Ariana and it deeply affected Sheena as things do. And so she had Nima on there too so that he could come on and be like, no, I'm the guy that said it. This is what happened. Leave Sheena alone.

This is my experience. This is my experience with Raquel. This is my, and he's adding context about their relationship so that people understand why that would have even been a conversation they had in the first place. So, it was a very defensive move of Sheena, but again, it was not really about Tom or Raquel, it was mostly just about Sheena.

Well, and thank you so much for bringing that up, because I was going to ask you, I When I was watching that, I was like, wait, why is she not getting a lot of backlash for that? But I completely forgot that yes, she was because people were taking that to say, oh, look, she knew. I completely forgot about that.

So that makes so much more sense to me. So I was going to ask you. Because I was thinking, I don't remember her getting a lot of hate for that, but that just light bulb. I now remember that. So thanks for bringing that up. No problem. You know, I'm on the beat when it comes to Shane and Marie. You are. Okay, so now we, I put Lala and Ariana's shopping is not real.

That's what I said. Like, in my nose. And it's, it's not real. Um, it's definitely not natural feeling. Listen, another pair that, I just don't think Lala and Ariana are gonna be besties any more than Katy and Sheena are gonna be besties. And it's okay if Katy and Ariana are besties and Lala and Sheena are besties.

It's okay. They don't all have to be goddamn best friends, but like That's just, that is what it is. I have, I literally have friendships like that. Where I'm friends with two, and those two don't really fuck with each other. And it's okay. It happens. This happens especially over long term friendships.

Especially when, you know, you've known people from like, A relatively adolescent stage in your life, like, this is, it's just, it is what it is. Um, they, really the scene was nothing, uh, Lala likes tiny things, and then she kind of alludes to, and I, did you take notes about what she said about James sobriety?

Yeah, that, the only thing that I took away from that scene is, I don't, I think Ariana just said it, something about James not drinking. She's always thought was good for him, but she was like, but who am I, you know, to say anything to him about it? And Lala was like, I'm glad you say that because as someone who drinks, you really shouldn't be telling him anything.

And then she makes a comment about how she can't even say, you know, Hey, James, you want to come to a meeting with me? Like it has to come for him. And I do agree with her in that sense, as far as you, I don't agree with her saying. Just because someone drinks, they can't necessarily tell someone like, Hey, we need to have a conversation about your drinking.

However, I do understand like the, that person has to make their own decision when it comes to that. So you can be, I've had people where I've, I've expressed my concern with them and I will be there for them, but ultimately, and I let them know that like they can always come to me. I can help out. I let it be known, but I can't like.

Constantly be bringing up, you know what I mean, something because they need to take whatever they want to do with that behavior. So I get Lala in that sense of her saying, you know, she's probably can't, she doesn't feel like she can ask James all the time. Like, hey, want to come to a meeting, come to a meeting, come to a meeting.

Right. But again. They need to come to that conclusion on their own that they. Exactly. Have a problem. But saying like, there's a big difference to me between being like, hey, do you want to come to a meeting to someone who is not. Like self admitted that they're an alcoholic and a friend being like, Hey, when you get drunk, you have really concerning fucking behaviors that now have you under a goddamn investigation.

Wanna rethink that, buddy? Exactly. No, so it's weird. And then again, it's, it's weird because of the stuff that we're hearing now. And then we're seeing this scene where I, I really don't like this notion of James just does shit when he's drinking. No. Because That's not the case. Season 9, he was, yes, he was not, he was not drinking.

And look, do I think drinking can exit can enhance these behaviors? Absolutely. But also, this is just a symptom of something bigger that is like going on. And so it's just, I don't know, we, we're seeing the same thing of like, okay, James is sober or naive and sober. That's he's not drinking. And he is, he's such this like better, this scene, like this scene was, I think just to say that I don't know the point of the scene.

It wasn't even like. They were really talking about, like, why did James even got, get brought up? I don't know, because he's only been about five, five minutes of the whole season so far. That's what I was, so this, was this clearly just to talk about again, like, you know, James's behavior when he's drinking is bad, but now he's not drinking, so he's great.

And I'm going to put this on just for benefit of the doubt, you know, they have to film A lot, and I think that a lot of mundane shit was filmed and the pairings that they could get, they got. That's why we have, you know, why we have Lala and Ariana. So, I don't think that they went to this weird, I don't know if it's weird, that's mean, I don't know, the shop's probably just fine, this shop with trinkets, okay?

They went to a trinket shop, I don't think that they did that to have this conversation, but I think it's interesting to keep in mind that this extremely irrelevant, boring ass conversation was something that the editors felt like they needed to put in. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a good point.

Cause it really had no bearing on the story whatsoever. I don't think that it It didn't move story. I don't think that it did any kind of like exposition. It didn't tell us, you know, where what they were doing. So, yeah, it just and we don't need like an establishing. This wasn't really establishing that Ariana and Lala were close because they really didn't talk about anything substantial.

So, I'm just going to keep that in the back of my mind. How many scenes like random ass scenes like this are we going to have where we're just like casually talking about James? Because then later. And it makes so much more sense in this context when Lala is like over the choosy ass sobriety thing and I completely I don't feel I don't feel like I can talk on that since I'm not sober, but I completely understand where she's coming from like 100 percent I completely understand.

Yeah, like this. This was weird so I've got my eye on evolution. Yeah, that's such a good point because The editing seems to be going in some direction. I don't know what direction they want to go into, but if they wanted to lean into, cause I do think Lala and Ariana this season were maybe trying to test out to see if there could be like a friendship there.

So this scene could have maybe been that. They could have edited in a way of them, you know, really getting to know each other again. Because we've had all those years of them, they started out trying to be close and then they've had their, you know, their fights and stuff. But then it just turned into a conversation about James, which, interesting choice.

What was a much more effective use of this thing was when it was season 10, when it was Raquel and Ariana and they were shopping, remember? Yeah. And I believe if I'm not mistaken, this episode aired that because I think that Raquel was shopping, Rachel, was shopping for the Havasu trip and Scandival broke either right before or right after the Havasu trip.

So we didn't know about Scandal Ball yet, so this, the scene where they were shopping was just establishing their friendship, and it was really, really effective. Now, is that, like, rose colored glasses, was it effective because we know how dark it was, or is it effective because it's clear that they had a friendship and they had something substantial to talk about, I don't know.

But there is just, I found this scene to be very unimportant. And very odd in the conversation, it was an odd thing for our, I mean, no offense to Ariana, but like, what do you mean? You don't feel like you can tell someone not to drink if they're acting an asshole. You absolutely can do whatever you want.

You just told your boy, your ex boyfriend, you're going to call the cops on him if he makes noise in the house that you guys own. So you can literally do whatever you want, Ariana. So I don't know. That was just like weird. Well, and you can tell them and then also recognize they're going to do what they want, but you let that, but you let them know, Hey, you're a really big asshole when you drink.

Yep. Like it is okay to say that. And I've had to say that before. No, and I've had, I've had to have a friend say that to me, like you were a real bitch when you were drunk last night and you said some shit that I don't like. And. Yeah. And then you're, you're aware of your behavior and you try to get better or you don't, but it's okay.

I think to say that if you're, if you're concerned about someone, so then we go, speaking of unnatural pairings, we have Katie and Sheena, they are having dinner. I guess it was just like a seafood place, a sushi place. I'm taking note of all the restaurants just in case we want to go to any, um, yes. Yeah.

And, uh, it's funny because Katie walks up on Sheena, and Sheena's like taking a selfie, and I just felt, I really understood Sheena in that moment, because I am the friend who's likely to be taking a selfie when the friend who never does that shit walks up behind them, so um, that was relatable, and then they sit down, and I'm gonna be honest with you, Lindsay, I'm gonna need you to lead this part, because I took, I took notes on the selfie, and then I'm gonna selfie, Um, that Katie was dating a guy from the 27s and I was jealous and that's why I thought that was wanted, but I did not know that Katie went on a date.

With Kevin from the 27th, uh, spoiler alert. Sheena said on her podcast that obviously that didn't go anywhere. So I was like, Oh man, I don't know if we'll see that day. I don't think so. Cause she was like, yeah, like, Oh, it's tomorrow night. So I just said, that's interesting. Cause I didn't know they went on a date and then, yeah, we have.

Sheena, I mentioned this earlier, apologized for inviting Schwartz and saying it was the old Sheena feeling bad, someone was left out, and I don't think Sheena, and I think I've let it known, I do not fuck with Schwartz anymore, but I don't really think Sheena needed to apologize for that in that moment because I, from my understanding, Katie and Schwartz, they weren't.

as close obviously as they were in season 10 or you know when they were married but they were still we had that scene where you know katie stayed a little bit with the dogs so i don't think like Katie is that affected by Schwartz's, like, being there. I can understand, obviously, Ariana doesn't want people around, but Ariana also, we've learned, she can stick up for herself and she can say shit.

She's fine. Yeah. Exactly. So I thought that was a little weird that she didn't apologize for that, but again, that to me, Just goes back to you can't have a friendship with someone if you feel like you have to apologize for every single thing And that goes with both ways. So I just that's I can't have a friendship like that And so I will say at the end Sheena says something about you know She's learning boundaries and she's learning she is reflecting on people who don't add value to your life And I think that is a really good life lesson for people and I've had to learn that with friendships and it sometimes takes you a long time and then you have just like that moment of clarity and that's what Lala says later about Schwartz like Maybe there will be a moment.

I don't ever believe that will happen which works in Sandoval, but you do Yeah, you do have moments in friendship where they might just do something. You're just like oh, okay I'm done like this. I shouldn't cut you out a long time ago. So I think I think that's a good thing I think Sheena has been reflecting on that but again Sheena's never going to do things the way Katie will want them, and that's just how that relationship's going to be.

So it's not going to work, in my eyes. And I kind of thought it was bullshit when Katie was like I'm not mad. I'm not worried about you inviting Schwartz because of me. I'm worried. Oh, yeah I was just kind of like, I mean, maybe maybe that's real Maybe she is genuinely like but then I'm like, well, I'm worried about you too Katie because you haven't I mean I guess she doesn't need to but then no one has asked the only person who has established that they're not talking to Schwartz anymore Is Ariana right and Ariana does not seem to be upset That Katie still talks to him, even though, like, it's probably not healthy for her, maybe, or possibly not healthy for her, I don't know.

Uh, but then I think it's also like, this is where we need to break the fourth wall, guys. Guys. Yes. Nobody is inviting anyone anywhere. Production is saying, here are your opportunities to film. And it doesn't matter if Sheena actually sent the text or not, because if it wasn't Sheena, it would have been James, or it would have been Katie.

Somebody, they were gonna get Schwartz to the fucking thing somehow, right? Or maybe Schwartz begged Sheena because no one else was gonna do it, I don't know. It seems like he and James are on good terms, so I don't know why he wouldn't have done it, but it's just this, it's so messy. Well, and if I'm real, Schwartz probably, if it was his choice, would have just stayed at Sandoval's party the whole time.

I don't think he really was that interested in going to emo night because he literally missed Sheena's set. Like, I just, I don't, I think he would have rather just stayed. At the party. So I'm sure the conversation happened with, because again, this whole thing right now we're seeing, right, is Schwartz trying to set boundaries with Sandoval.

So he came to his party a little bit, but he's not going to stay there the whole time because he's really letting Sandoval have it. Okay. Yeah, I know it's his image that he's worried about, but yeah. Exactly. And so he then, you know, we see him go to emo night, but yeah. You're, that's a good point you bring up.

There hasn't been, from my understanding, this hard conversation of we're all also not talking a short, but then with Sheena, it almost seems that way. But then again, Ariana, she can hold her own and she can say, I'm not, I don't want to be around Schwartz. I don't need to talk to him, and that's fine. But I don't think even Ariana was even upset that Sheena invited Schwartz to Emo Night.

And he's also really made his presence known without the Emo Night thing. He has certainly pushed himself into the group. We see it later. We see it there. So no invite needed. So yeah, I don't think that Sheena needed to apologize for that. We then go to Vanderpump Dogs. And Schwartz, I don't know which one he's taking, Butters or, um, Gordo, I think it was Butters.

And he comes in to, God knows, I don't know, he wasn't, the dog wasn't, nothing, nothing had to do with the dog, okay, that's not why he was there, he was there to talk to Lisa Vanderpump. It's funny because I don't know if anybody else noticed this, but when he walks in, the woman who I guess is the director or the manager, whatever, the expression on her face when Schwartz walks in was very like, like she was in love with him.

I don't know. I didn't notice that. It was like either that or like surprised that he came in or excited to see him. But I just thought it was funny because again, I did meet Schwartz in Atlanta a few months ago and he does have like a very. Yeah. Movie star presence, like, you know, so he comes in and he's talking to Lisa Vanderpump and he's, this is when I'm going to be, I'm going to be a hundred.

I feel bad for him because I feel like he is really fucking trying to get people to understand that his family is going through like an extremely difficult time and nobody is paying the fuck attention to him. Cause every time he says that, he's like, well. You know, that thing I told you about where, like, my dad's dying, and my brother has cancer, and the other one's in rehab, and all of my savings were, and you know, like, he goes on and on.

I'm like, God, dude, like. This is why you need to cut Sandoval out because if you weren't with someone constantly that everyone hated, you might be able to have a more genuine connection with people. So he has this awful story about how one of his brothers, I think it was Burt, I could be wrong, got jumped outside of a bar and it basically like sent him into.

A spiral and then he got cirrhosis of the liver, right? Or is that his dad? No, I think his dad also had cirrhosis of the liver and I'm not like, I believe I'm correct on that. And that's scary. Yeah. So go ahead. And then you have, again, you, it sounds like he was going through all of that when Sandoval was having the affair.

So then you have a friend who was like, Oh, you're going through all this stuff, but yeah, I'm going to go fuck this girl in your apartment. And so, that's where I can, like, I can give some compassion with Schwartz with that, because it sounds like he had a lot going on in his mind during this, during this whole thing.

I still, he still made really weird choices with helping Sandoval and all of that that I will not understand, but I can understand that he had a lot. On his mind. So where Sandoval, who Sandoval was fucking, he probably was like, whatever. Like you do you, man. I have a dad who I believe he, his dad was to a very bad state.

He used, yeah, he was on, I think different machines and stuff. And then Bert, um, Sandoval did just say on his podcast, which I don't know why he thought he needed to bring up. Apparently Bert did just get a new liver. Um, which from my understanding, because I know a lot of people were like, that can't be true.

People who, um, you know, use alcohol in that way, they don't get on the transplant list. And from my experience, I had an uncle who he really struggled with alcohol and he did, they were like, you're going to die because of your liver. And he was sober. For I believe it was a year or so and then he was able to get actually by that time his liver had like healed Yeah, and that like but I believe you do have to be sober for a period of time to be on that list So it sounds like that maybe happened with Burt and he has a new liver So I hope that the best for him because that was really hard to hear Schwartz talk about because Schwartz doesn't really talk about personal stuff so to hear that and then to you know his I think it was a different brother who had cancer, like you said, and so like, that's a lot, that is a lot.

And so when I hear that stuff, I'm like, okay, if you, if you like share, which maybe, you know, who knows with editing and stuff, maybe he did try to talk about that. Or that's not also when it comes to family, people don't have to talk about it. Right, right. But it's just, it was really, it was really hard to hear all of that.

And then I just, yeah. I will never understand it, because I'm sure he's talked to Sandoval about that, but I can imagine Sandoval really wanting to listen to any of that, because again, Sandoval is very me, me, me. You know what I just thought? Hm?

This, this is parasocial jumping to conclusions vibes, okay? We're very much, I'm getting into, I'm getting into problematic Redditor territory. But I'm wondering, you know, Sandoval throws money at people because that's how he expresses Love for people like he grand gestures. That's like how he communicates.

And a lot of times it's to reflect back on himself. So it makes himself feel good. You know, I'm wondering if Sandoval went Tom's family money or something or. Something like that, because that would, I'm just trying to make sense as to why Schwartz is being the way that he is with Sandoval, the way that, with Sandoval treating him the way that he does.

Right. I'm trying to make sense of it and it's very possible that there is no sense to be made and that Tom is just in a very toxic friendship and can't get out of the loop because he doesn't have those skills, those social or emotional coping skills. But, uh, I'm like, I, that wouldn't be. That would not be out of the realm of something that Sandoval would do to try to make good with someone because that's what he does.

He throws money at problems. Yeah. But then I understand why that wouldn't be something that Schwartz would bring up because I just know why I just feel like that's something that might make him embarrassed or it might make the company look bad like yeah, but then I know people would be like, well, Sandoval would be spreading it all over town.

Well, probably, but I don't know. There's some weird, complicated shit with these people. So I just wonder if maybe there was help given at some point and. Maybe that's why Schwartz, well, in Sandoval, whatever, if whatever, if there was something with them, Sandoval would only have maybe brought that up if Schwartz wouldn't have went back to a friendship with him.

Yes. Or if he felt slighted by Schwartz, then he would use that later. That's why he does those things. That's why he does the grand gestures and the Sheena's birthday party and the Rochella. He does those things to use them. Against people later and I know people like that and it is you it's so uncomfortable because you like you might get like the most generous offer of your lifetime from someone that you consider a friend or that you know, but you can't accept it because then it feels Very uncomfortable.

As you know, I went through something like that recently. So, um, So anyway, that's just, that's the most allegedly that Emily Rose can possibly be. That is the most who the fuck knows ass shit because I don't know. I made that up. I made that up just now. I just want everyone to know that. I have no idea.

We're just trying to make sense of that friendship. That's all we're trying to do here. Yeah, it can't be done. It can't be done. It cannot be done. So I guess now we're in the, the, I said, sir, happens and Sheena is L O L.

I have you seen my Instagram? I put it right before we got on. So you probably haven't. I found this picture of me from when I was, I must have been 14. And, or I remembered it, so I found it, and I was like, this was Sheena. All night at Sir. Yes! That was Sheena. If you guys want to see the picture. But at least you're outside.

I know, right? Sheena was in a dark club. She was. She was so I don't know why she was doing that. But it was so camp. It was so funny. I loved every second of it. It was so camp. And then when Schwartz turned to her and was like I like the sunglasses. She's like, yeah, because he, she said that when he forgot that she was also not drinking.

So he was like, Oh man, he was like, Oh, I like your sunglasses. So she was like, Oh, thank you. She's very easily diverted. Yep. Oh, yeah, I just put okay, because I had said earlier about the Nima thing so that there was context for the conversation with Tom. So this is where we're going to lean into your takes, because I stopped making them.

Well, we have so. Um, they, Lala, everyone's talking about being sober curious, and Lala's just like, I've heard it all, I've now heard California sober, I've heard sober curious, like, that's not my take, but you do you. Um, Sheena, we talked about her in Schwartz's conversation with the classes, and then we see Schwartz go over to James in, James being, or Schwartz saying, you know, I was talking to Lisa and I'm going to invite the whole gang to Tahoe and James.

We didn't even talk about that. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. The whole point of, uh, we got on a Schwartz sidetrack. So the whole reason that Tom is really there so that LVP can introduce her newest endeavor, which is this restaurant called Wolf in Lake Tahoe. And the first cash trip is going to be to Lake Tahoe.

And. Lisa's basically like, uh, the only way that we can organically introduce this in the show is to have you make an ass out of yourself and, uh, invite everybody. Again, it's like, I don't understand, I don't understand the production of this show because I guess, like, There's two avenues to go down. I guess, really, truly, no one was going to invite Tom on the trip.

And maybe even Lisa wasn't going to invite him, but they knew that he needed to be invited, so they used Schwartz as the vessel for inviting it. But I'm, again, I'm like, it would be more interesting if Sandoval just fucking crashed the trip. That would be a more interesting move than having this whole weird orchestrated thing where Schwartz is like, I'm inviting everybody to Lisa's restaurant.

I'm like, why are you doing this? It's just, it's, there's something, there's something going on weird with this group of friends. I wonder what it is. But no, there's something about the way that they're moving about product. It must have been, honestly, it must have just been really even harder than I, Gave them credit for because I think I went into or when I when it was going down I was like, well, they're just gonna figure it out.

They're just gonna find a way and it'll be fine but there's all of this like forced shit happening because truly it must have been extremely difficult to navigate Well, then, but I feel like it could have been more interesting if Lisa would have went to each of them individually and being like, Hey, I'm having this restaurant opening in Tahoe.

Come if you want. And that way, maybe the cast wouldn't actually know who was all going. Yeah. And, or again, like Sandoval could have just showed up. It's weird that the only I'm guessing they wanted Schwartz to be the guy because they were hoping for a conversation like we got with Schwartz and Ariana.

Yeah. But it is, it is just, that's what I'm trying to be aware of with this season because this is the, the, First true season where just everything seems so produced and just these weird storylines, but I do have to remember that they were in such a weird place. Yeah. The cast was when this was going on, so I get they're trying to make something out of nothing.

But. It was just a weird thing that Lisa is like, Swartz, Swartz, invite everyone. And so he goes to James and talks to James about it. And then he, um, he goes where, like, the big group is. And we see Katie asked, you know, Sandoval's coming, and Ariana says, I don't wanna be anywhere near either you or my ex.

And , Ariana's so funny to me in this scene because I'm not gonna lie her when she says stuff, my auto automatic reaction is like, oh, like it just makes me kind of die inside because. She reminds me a lot of my sister. My sister is very blunt. It will just tell you how it is. I love that about her. I'm very much kind of a Sheena.

I am a people pleaser. I don't, I do not like confrontation at all. So anytime, even though in my head, I would be like, I don't want to be around shorts. I know I would, I would just grin and bear it. Yeah. So Arianna just being like, I don't want to be anywhere near you or my ex. I'm just like, no, again, she's just, she's laying it out there.

And then Schwartz brings up, um, Oh, you know, he thought it would be okay. Cause you both live in the same house. And Arianna said, we don't interact. We have a mediator. And then this is when Lala says to Schwartz. This was great. I don't know with everything that he's done and how Sandoval has treated you, what makes you feel the need to stay?

And she said, there's going to be one day when you're going to realize I should have cut him off then. And this is when Ariana and I love this. She said, I gave up on you a long time ago, which again, when I first heard that, I was like, Ooh, that's one, but it is what it is. And she said, and my life is better for it.

And you can tell Schwartz was triggered in this moment because then he was like, okay, love that for you. And then she said, everything anyone says to you about any of this shit is almost, is always going to fall on deaf ears. You're a lost cause. You don't hear it. And this is true. She was saying, she is telling everyone in that moment.

No matter what you say to Schwartz, he's not gonna listen. And we see that. And it's so weird how Schwartz, again, if we're looking at this conversation, if this part wasn't edited, he then took that as, you're not the queen of this group. When I did not get that sense of all. She wasn't saying in that moment.

No, we're, we're all not going da, da, da, da, she was saying she was just talking specifically about there's no reason and talking to you about Sandoval because you're going to do what you're going to do. So then for him to take that as. You're not the queen of the group. You can't speak for everyone. I was like, that was such a weird way to take that.

And then again, you could just tell Schwartz was very triggered in that moment because he seems to get triggered when women have opinions and say them back to him. And so that was just, yeah, that was a really, um, it was a great scene. I thought it was good too. I will say, I think when she said that, I think in his mind, he's already had like a semi.

Yeah. Pleasant conversation with Katie and I don't think we've really seen him talk to Sheena, but I guess she invited him to emo night. So in his head, he's like, Oh, well, everyone else has moved past this. So if they don't go, it's because of you, you're the problem, which is a problematic take. Um, and at this point too, like if you're listening to like Kristen's podcast, you know, there were people like Kristen who were like, I love Schwartz.

But I don't agree with this or some people were able to tow the line and that comes with really like difficult boundary drawing. Kristen doesn't work with him. Kristen doesn't have to doesn't have to be around him for any scheduled amount of time. Right. But I think that he's confused because. He feels like everybody can compartmentalize and that if they're not doing it, it's just because they want to please Ariana and they just want to be on her good side.

Yeah. But either way, I think what Lala said was correct and what Ariana said was correct. Like no matter how many times we tell this dude, this guy, I said it on my podcast and he doesn't listen to my podcast, but if he did. Sandoval was actively ruining this guy's life, and when I watch back season nine, and I watch, I'm like, damn, like, Katie and Tom have gotten through some tough shit together, and Sandoval was really pushing it for them, and so I think that, that friendship, and it's making him look So bad, he got a spurt of support from that podcast he did with Jax, where he was like, Hey, we're taking some distance.

Like he got a lot of support from that because he had, I believe this was the same week just gone on watch what happens live and made a complete asshole out of himself. Once again, talking about go hug Tom, like. Again, it's just an image thing, and you either need to stick to it the way that Ariana is sticking to it, or don't.

But then they're using him as like a bridge, and it's not natural. No, and I don't know why either. Okay. I will say this Ariana and Sheena, I'm sorry, Lala and Sheena and Katie they probably Refused to be the bridge at this point because it probably would have fucked up their alliance with Ariana And they would have gotten a lot of heat like well Sheena said that on a podcast.

She refused to be. Oh, she did? Yeah, she said she was usually always the bridge Seasons past and she refused to be that this season So I think that maybe that's a little bit where Tom is coming from, but it's so clunky and unnatural because Tom really isn't the bridge, usually he might be getting along with everyone, but he's pretty much stays in his own corner unless he's brought into something.

So, and he's with Sandoval, he's like team Sandoval. So very complicated dynamics here. And then. If I, if I'm not mistaken, this is when Sheena gets up to go to the, Oh, because wait, we have to say Sandoval comes to, sir, Kyle Chan. And again, not to be too behind the scenes with it, but I am dying to know I'm dying.

Maybe Tom talked about it on his podcast. I don't know. I am dying to know what. The conversation was about Tom going to, sir that night. I don't know if I, if there was already spoken about, but like, why did he go, well, why did he go to see you next Tuesday? What Sandoval said on his podcast is that he, for, he didn't even think about it being, see you next Tuesday, because sometimes on Tuesdays they don't have that.

And he didn't even know that the other people were gonna be there. And I was like, oh shit. I. Call bullshit because there's just no way there's just no way you, you had to have known. And it's funny because up and Adam talked about where they were, like where Tom and Kyle were sitting was actually right across from where the big group was.

You can't really see that in the show, but it's just so, yeah, it's funny that Sandoval on his podcast. Was saying I'd even know it was to you next Tuesday, and I didn't know they'd be answer whatever I call bullshit on that But yeah, he that that is what he said So I think I'm sure that he went there and now I don't know exactly if it If Sheena and Sandoval knew they were going to have a conversation that night, maybe that happened organically.

But, I mean, Sheena, we do see Sheena be like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. And then she walks past Sandoval. And Sandoval's like, oh Sheena, I didn't even recognize you. Yeah, I think this is what happened. Also, I'll say the only way that I would ever believe, and I still don't, The only reason I would ever believe that Sandoval didn't know that it was see you next Tuesday is if he didn't know it was Tuesday at all, because he had been up on meth all night, because it's exactly what he looked like when he walked into Sir, when they, when they, I'm going to clip that and make it our, our show picture when he walks in his eyes, dude, he's like this, he's like, just like this.

And I'm like. You've got to calm it down on the, on the, whatever he has to chill. So that's the only reason I believe, but I also feel like it went like they sat down and then Kyle text Sheena. That Sheena texts Kyle, like, why is Sandoval here? Like, he's not supposed to be filming with us. And then Shan's like, well, he wants to have a conversation with someone.

And I think it should be you. And then Sheena's like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. And so then she gets up. Yep. And she goes over. And Sexy Unique Podcast pointed this out, but it was so cute. She's walking and she walks right past Sandoval. Says, hey, Kyle. And then Sandoval goes, Sheena, Sheena, dude, I didn't even recognize you.

And Sheena, like, turns her head, like, oh, like, offended. It was the longest stare. I was like, I don't know what Sheena was on, but I love her like this. And so, she's like, well, obviously I'm not going to talk to you right here. So they go to the Sir Alley. Perfect. Great, great choice. Great choice. And they go to talk in Sandoval.

It's freaking me out in this scene, like I'm already commented on how he looks like he's on something, but he's acting again, like, and this is why my original theory about Raquel to me still rings true, because I think that Tom thinks that the show is his reality. And thus, that is how he treats everyone around him.

And the savvier people. See, Ariana. Yeah. Know that that is not reality, because they have something bigger going on in their life. A Ariana always has had something else going on. And, Tom doesn't. Right. So he's like, What's that? You look like Shania Twain, like, rode in on a motorcycle. Sheena, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead face.

And then he's like, What is that, like, Y2K, she's like, I was going for like a Y2K look and he's like, dude, like, dude, please. Yeah. Yeah. So. You go ahead. Weird. Well, what's so interesting about a lot of these scenes too is this is a, one of the first times where we're seeing. heated conversation, even with Ariana Swartz, it didn't turn into a yelling match, right?

And then this one, it's not turning into a yelling match. Sheena is very, they're both. Sheena's very calm and you can tell Sandoval, I think wanted to get more angry than he did, but he kind of was holding back a little bit. Yeah. And so, and then it, it just, the way the conversation, it was, it just, it flew so beautiful, beautifully because.

The Y2K and then Sandoval bringing up how he had a sweater on from his friend that passed away. Ollie's sweater, excuse me. Yeah, and then Sheena bringing up, I wasn't expecting you to block me for reaching out. And this is where I will give Sandoval some credit. Because he said, I didn't know if you were just reaching out to reach out to say you did, because let's be clear in this moment, they were all bashing Sandoval on their podcast.

So I can see Sandoval's thinking and being, Sheena's just reaching out to me. So if someone asked her, if I did, if she did, then she could say yes. But Sheena then brings up the point, as I would hope you would know after 14 years of friendship, who I am. And I do really think, because it sounds like Sheena reached out, Kristen reached out, Kristen even said Ariana reached out to Scandival during this time.

Yeah. That I think they all took this time to reach out to him. But, I also can understand Scandival having his thoughts about it because, again, of where we were in this time period of Scandival. Yeah. And so, it's just interesting that Again, this conversation just like flew so beautifully because then, you know, they had that moment and then Sheena just, again, is saying, you're, you're showing no remorse, and you're just, and I get Sandoval in the sense of he, he can only apologize so much, right?

He can keep saying sorry, and there are going to be people who say like, you're, it's crocodile tears, you don't mean it. And I get that, but dude, your actions are not showing that you're sorry. And they're not even like, again, not if they would just, it's interesting how they're breaking the wall a little bit and they're talking a lot about damn podcasts, but you're not talking about the horrific one that Sandoval did on Howie's podcast.

Right. And so. But had that happened yet? I'm pretty, well this, yeah, it had to have, because this happened, yeah, he still had the mustache, remember, he shaved it off at the end of the episode. Right, right, of course. So that's, yeah, so we're going to talk about all these podcasts, Annabelle, but we're not going to talk about the horrific one that you did, but whatever.

And so, Sheena again is just saying like, you need to show some, she's about to get up and say like, you need to show some like humility and like humble yourself. Stop singing these songs about Schwartz and Rachel and having the lightning bolt, like neon. It's not showing you're not sorry. And honestly, that could be an opportunity for Sandoval to be like, because I'm not sorry.

Lala does have it right in her podcast when she's been saying Sandoval is not sorry. You cannot get that from him. And I 100 percent believe. So you telling him that over and over again, it's so interesting because it just pisses them off. And he doesn't have the ability to just say, I'm sorry. And that's it.

And even Kyle brings that up in the Tom Poghouse of saying, why don't you just in interviews, just even just, I don't know if you need to fake it a little bit. And Santa was like, no, I can't, I can't do that. I got to be true to myself. But really dude, you're not, because I know you just want to scream from the rooftops, how you're really feeling.

And I would respect that way more than you just. Again, doing the, I don't know, and this or that. So it was just, Sheena gets up, and then he then, of course, brings up Nima's podcast again. Right, right, right. I will say also, that's one thing that Jax would do that made him Not, I don't know if redeemable is the right word, but tolerable, uh, even though he was doing horrific shit because Jax would just, you know, say whatever the fuck he was thinking.

He would. Even if it was horrendous because Yes. When we're talking about like what Sandoval really feels, The gracious thing would be like I was in love. This is a gracious thought that he could possibly be having. I was in love with Raquel. I loved her. I wanted to be with her. I didn't want to be with Ariana anymore, period, dot.

When it's probably a reason that he's restraining is because he didn't probably love Raquel and he probably was getting Laid and that's what he wanted and that's all he wants And so now he's put himself in this bullshit situation where he has to pretend like he Loved his girlfriend which at the time he didn't and he has to pretend like he loves this other girl, which he doesn't And I was doing all this when really you should just say I was trying to fuck.

And, uh, Ariana wasn't banging me so I went out and got it somewhere else. What's good? Yep. That is a shocking thing to say. But it would give me the same ick that or like chills that Ariana being like I gave up on you a long time ago. Or I hope you die. Or fuck yourself with a cheese grater. At least that's literally how she feels.

You're out here trying to make, you're not making any sense. Then you're bringing up this thing on the podcast and you're like, well, you know, I, I wanna kind of go back and listen to his wording because I mean, whatever. But he's like, I really had to talk Raquel down from that Nima thing. And like you said, yes.

Talk her down. Yeah. Who told her? Right. She wasn't listening to that shit. So who told her? Tom? Right. And then Sheena's like, I need to go be with my daughter, which is what she always. You know, says and I love it and she's like getting up and that's when he says I really had to talk to her down from that and Sheena goes, but she said it, Tom, it was magical.

It was the first thing I tweeted. I mean, within seconds of her doing that, I was like, Emmy, Grammy, give it, Oscar, Critics Choice, everything, awards. I don't know why she delivered that line that way. I don't know why she said, I don't know what, I don't know what kind of medication she had to be on that night to be in that situation and be as calm as she was, but it was.

Beautiful. It was truly like, it was gorgeous. Me and my friend Brady now just quote that all the time, but she said it, Tom, something about in the Bravo universe. When you have the name Tom in a quote, it's going to make something iconic, like new Roni. There's just. The way she just, there was no, there was no anger in her voice.

There wasn't yelling. It was just, but she said it, Tom. And that I don't think, I don't think, I almost wondered if Sandoval was taken aback by how her Cause I wonder if he expected it to be more heated and see the whole thrives more in those conversations. Right? Drama. Yeah, because when you do at one point as an audience member, when you're looking at two people screaming at each other's, you sometimes get lost on who started what you just do for people screaming.

But here we have. A very chill conversation. Sheena saying very pointed things and not letting Sandoval control this conversation. Sheena had control of that conversation and it was so beautiful to watch and a little bit of a before that, a little bit of backtrack. I thought it was really interesting too when Sandoval, he particularly brought up how During this time, Ariana wasn't going and bashing Tom every chance she got and was actually she could have been the one that he was like, and she should be the one that would be doing that.

And I find that so interesting because you say that you acknowledge that, but here we are now. And my God, you talk shit on Ariana, like any chance that you can get, and it's just so interesting. But you acknowledge that really Ariana, unless she specifically asked about it and even then she really tries to change the conversation or she'll just say something like, you know, he's doing whatever.

I don't really care. Yeah. So it's just, it's interesting how he can acknowledge that, but then again, his. His actions are just so different and so wild. But then yeah, and then of course we have just that beautiful moment of, but she said it, Tom, and I was like, this is another great scene with Sheena and Tom.

Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Sheena, uh, Shton scene for the ages. Yes. They don't have a, they'll never work. They don't have an easy to combine nickname, couple's name. So really quick, the after show, any poignant, anything that stands out to you about the after show? I think the big thing is, We're seeing a real difference with Sheena and the show Sheena and the after show because she brings up how she doesn't hear from Arianna as much.

She's not texting her as much. And if she is, it doesn't seem like she's asking how Sheena is. And then Lala brings up a point. I'm like, there's been three people in this group for even before scannable who have really asked me how I was doing and that's Sandoval, Katie, and Arianna, which again, It makes sense because of how their relationships were off the show.

I think Sheena, this was a, maybe an interesting point, Ariana and Sheena's relationship where I don't know if Ariana was trying to set more boundaries with Sheena because Sheena did, I mean, you know, we had BravoCon and I don't know. I don't know. I'm really curious. What? Cause the after show would have been filmed, was filmed after Bravo con.

Yeah. Right. There was still obviously some time between that, but I don't know if Ariana and Sheena were having like more conversations about boundaries and things like that. I don't, I don't know. I would love to know that, but Sheena seems just down and upset during this after show, but then we haven't watched what happens live, which I thought was interesting because Sheena and the after show.

Made it seem like she didn't really understand the house situation, but then what do we have on Watch What Happens Live? Shane is like, no, Ariana, like, he should sell, he should be the one doing this. It seemed very much like she was okay with Ariana again, so I think that's what's so interesting. About the after show and one other one other thing that I have to call attention to which I thought was so funny Was sandoval giving the girl shit for emo night because they were just you know Screaming out what other people's lyrics are and I was like, dude I mean, I'm already blocked by the band, so I can say this, that is literally what you do.

No, that's okay. Are you kidding me? No, that's the definition of a cover band, is screaming out other people's lyrics. That's a cover band. Literally. band does. Sir. You're just jealous that you weren't invited to emo night. Just say that. And you know what else? Katie, once again, being shady to my girl, don't call her out like that.

If, if, if you want to put skater boy. Or, uh, Oh yeah, Avril. Avril tracks that you could throw on an Emo Night playlist if you wanted to, and that's fine. You're not fucking cooler than everybody else because you like fucking Under Oath or whatever the Whatever the hell you listen to, okay? And that's not just what emo Emo music is a range of like It's a very broad Yeah!

Thing, and don't be the asshole Who's gatekeeping emo music People don't like those people either Okay? No Let Sheena have her fuckin Just let her, just let it go Let Sheena do what she wants to do For God's sake! Literally you can have Avil Cute is what we aim for. Panic at the disco. Thank you. And then the hardcore like sense Fail.

Cheer Dose was a band that I really liked. Cheer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheer. They, they scream like, it was more like screamy. It's such a rate. I know. Just a day to remember. Yeah. Just like the little digs like that. I know it's because. I know there's a narrative because I saw this and read it of like, Oh, Sheena doesn't even know what emo music is, but Sheena has talked about in her podcast.

Like that is something like growing up she would listen to in her car. I'm sure like Sheena to me seems like she has a, as me, a very range taste in music. And so it's just, it is funny. Cause. I'm sure people would have lost their shit if skater boy would have came on. I mean, I still lose my shit when that song comes on.

Hello. I've been to not the, it's not so emo night. They have them here at a venue called the masquerade in Atlanta. It's not the same. Um, it's like an extension of the LA one. It's it doesn't happen all the time, but they definitely play all kinds of shit at the emo night. Some stuff I would even be like.

Yeah. But I'm not gonna, like, say that about, like, Katie, you know what you're doing. And I'm wondering if there was maybe, like, drama about where, whose Sheena was gonna sit with? Like for this interview, someone brought that up to me. Yeah. Who did? Someone, someone I think just brought that up to me in one of my messages saying they wondered that too, if they're, Sheena was upset that who she was sitting with that position.

Because that, that, I mean, it makes sense for her and why didn't Allie and James just be together and then just have Sheena and Lala? I don't understand. I don't understand. They didn't want to pay a lot. They didn't want to pay Allie or something. I just, that didn't, I, I, I don't think she, Sheena seems uncomfortable in this after show.

Yes. And she said, it seems like she wants to say things, but she's, but she is in an uncomfortable position because Lala is going to, Lala is going to Lala. Okay. She's going to say whatever the hell she wants and Sheena has to kind of tow this line. I will say, I think, I think genuinely like Ariana was just.

Busy and I think she's afraid that Katie's going to steal her and frankly, they must have just watched the whole season or some of it like when this is airing or when this is taping. Excuse me. So the kind of stuff that Katie's already said in just this one episode, I wouldn't be like, is she trying to, you know, what is it happening finally?

Like the one person that was always on my side when this other. On and off friend was like fucking with me like, you know, it makes you nervous. So, I don't know. That's, God bless Sheena. These people, I just, I don't know what to say, but I cannot wait to be literally a part of their world, Ariel style. Okay?

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