Vanderpump Rules: The Scandiversary, The Lawsuit, & The Breakup Ft @vanderpodrecaps !!

Emily Rose and Lyndsay of @vanderpodrecaps are BACK to talk about the anniversary of Scandoval, the alleged impending breakup of Brittany and Jax, this week's episode and, most importantly, Rachel Leviss' lawsuit against Tom Sandoval and Ariana Madix.

Lucky to get a copy of the actual complaint, the lovely ladies break the complaint down (almost) line-by-line with some insight from Rachel's publicist, a few lawyer friends, listeners and, as always, their own unique opinions.

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Transcript

  Hello. 

Hello. Hello. God damn. God damn. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose joined here today, March 1st, 2024, a year, a year into the scandiversary one year ago, something happened in West Hollywood that would shake us. To our core, it would shatter the universe of reality television that we, as we know it.

And I am joined today to speak about even more shattering news and consequences of that day with my good friend and fellow content creator, Lindsay of Vanderpod recaps. Lindsay, how are you doing? 

You know, there will be a time when we talk on the podcast. And we'll be like, it was a chill week, nothing really happened.

That has not happened yet since we've started to do these recaps together. 

It has not. It has not. You know what's interesting? Around this time last year, maybe about a week before, a week ago last year, there was another scandal that broke out that the internet thought would be the biggest thing, and it was because Kylie Jenner and her friends Uh, recorded a video saying, I'm not saying she deserved it.

But I am saying that God's timing is always right. Her and Haley Bieber and I think it was Justine Skye. And that was in regard to, uh, Eyebrow Gate. And I just want to say God's timing is always right because we started this podcast and no one, we don't deserve this, what Scandal Ball has done to us, but God's timing is always right.

And we started this podcast. There's been news every single week.  I don't want to be too glib. I want to get really into I think what is probably the most shocking bit of news. Something that I don't think anyone thought she would do.  Brittany announced that she and Jax are split up.  How did you take the news?

I mean, I was surprised that she actually came out and said it because last week it very much was Marriage is hard. It sounded like they were working through some stuff, but please respect our privacy. And then this week, she flat out said, I'm living somewhere else. Like, we're taking time apart. And then the same day, Mr.

Jax Taylor tells Page Six News, Oh no, like, she's living together, like we're living together. And then today, someone from Brittany's camp had said, She like it showed pictures of her moving into a new rental and the person speaking for Brittany was like, I don't, we don't know why Jack said that she literally stopped by at the house to pick up stuff.

It's madness. 

Isn't that the story of his life. We don't know why Jack said that. Oh, go ahead. 

I 

know a lot of people are saying right now is this for. The Valley is this for people to watch and stuff. And I got to say, as far as what Bravo creators and content people are saying, this seems to be very much trouble in paradise, like something that even by a block by Jack's up, read it, have a beautiful timeline of things that they have noticed and yeah, it seems to have started the person who made the timeline and it's on by the it's on Reddit box by Jack's and there seems to be.

Jax posted, I don't know when it was, but it's on the reddit post, that they were, him and the Toms were doing a bar crawl, and they were supposed to end up at Jax's, like that was the last place they were going to, and then, He never posted about it for the rest of the night and Brittany and Kristen I think we're supposed to meet up there But something happened with that and then it was like the day that followed or a few days after Was when people started noticing that Brittany was in a different home She was said she was going to their Malibu house or something or some kind of house So they can't afford a damn 

Malibu house out of their damn minds Yeah, maybe 

I don't know what it was that again, the timeline is very detailed and they're the ones that clocked it that she has been in a different house.

So I think me personally, I think something did happen. I think with Jax being back in the spotlight, Jax be Jackson. So I'm sure it's going to be, you know, People are going to tune into the valley more now, maybe because of this, but I do think something did happen between them 

and I want to get into that.

But before we even get there, I do want to say for everyone listening, first of all, thank you for tuning in. We do actually, I was being a little like. Sassy, but we do have a lot to cover Raquel Levis, Rachel Levis, excuse me, sued Tom and Ariana. We're going to talk a little bit more about Jackson Britney.

We have an episode to discuss, which we will not be discussing in a Play by play format, you guys, because there's just so much to talk about, but we will also be going to Los Angeles now in exactly 30 days. One day before my birthday, March 31st, we will be in Los Angeles for Rob and Rob Schulte and Molly McAleer's live show, the Rob and Molly special interest show at Broadwater theater in Los Angeles.

I believe it's in Hollywood. I don't live there, but it looks like it's in. Hollywood adjacent. And there are some special guests that are going to be there. I don't know who could possibly be a guest on the show. It's just like totally random. I have no idea, but if you live in the area and if you're interested in seeing them, I know that Rob's going to do a meet and greet with him and Molly.

So I think that if you're interested in meeting him, that's going to be very cool. So I just wanted to get that started before we get into everything that we will be in LA from March 30th to April 3rd. Please, you know, reach out to Lindsay, reach out to me. If you guys live in LA, we want to meet up. We want to meet people and we want to have a lot of fun.

So all of that being said, let's get into it. All right. So like you said, Jackson, Brittany. Basically, all I want to say about this and what you were saying about the valley, which the proper trailer released, uh, in the past week, right? It's so this has been a wild week of news. So that trailer comes out and I have been saying that I was already valley pilled.

I was ready to watch the show. And. Then Brittany releases this episode with, uh, God, what's her name? Who's the girl that she's Michelle. I don't know her last name, Michelle. Yeah. So Michelle is one of the cast members on the show. She's featured in the trailer, obviously, because she's one of the main cast members.

And apparently, I mean, from the jump, Michelle has issues with Chris and Dodie. Okay. I don't know what it was. And it was so like the way that she talked about it. First of all, Everybody baited me into listening to this damn thing because I thought that, foolishly, foolishly on my part, I thought that that would be the first thing, Brittany, uh, uh, talking about separation would be the first thing, and then she would get into it, but weirdly, She is smarter than that, and so she did not.

So I listened to the whole fucking episode, and then she announces the separation. So, interesting things from the episode. I know this isn't really my lane recapping the podcast, but I do want to say, randomly Michelle eases in there that her daughter has a really good judge of character, and then Brittany goes, Yeah, well, she really didn't like Kristen from the moment that she met her.

And, uh, Michelle goes, yeah, well, she has a really good judge of character. I was like, what the fuck is going on between this girl and Kristen? And I, I can't lie. I'm, I was already invested. Then they announced the separation. Then after vehemently denying it last week. Then we get, uh, Jax papped outside of, and I'm going to quote my friend, Katie, shout out Katie, because she  is familiar with this place.

I won't dox her by saying how she's familiar, uh, training mate, which is a workout place where apparently, uh, men yell at you. Uh, as you work out into a microphone, so kind of like spin cycle, I guess, but more aggressive. And there's like all of these flashes, like camera flashes at Jax. And this random British guy's like, Oh, you still living together?

And just like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, uh, you know, he doesn't say miscommunication, but he implies there's a miscommunication on Brittany's part. And that they're totally like living together and that she was living in another house for a while and then Brittany Uh, I guess comes out And and her team says no For sure, they're living separately and then these pictures come out These people are calling the paparazzi left and right and if you don't think that these people are calling the paparazzi I promise you they're calling the paparazzi I I promise you, they are not, the L.

A. paps are not out there looking for Jackson Britney, okay guys? They call them, Sheena has admitted to calling them, all of these cast members do it, it is so goofy, and then they get these pictures of Britney in this. Uh, in this shirt, in this Lil Wayne shirt. And as a true Lil Wayne fan, I know for a fact this bitch doesn't know.

I, I mean, she probably, actually, I know her kind, and she totally does. But, it was just, it was a lot. Lindsey, I don't even know what to think. I will say this, sorry to keep rambling, but, I, I don't really, do you care if it's real or not? I think that either way they are a toxic couple. So, either way, there's, we're still going to see toxicity because they are toxic at their core, you know?

Yeah, the only reason why I would care is because since they do have a child involved, I would think they wouldn't do all of this. for publicity or a stunt, right? And so I think that's where it gets messy for me. And that's where I'm leaning more towards of, okay, I think something went down in their marriage.

That's interesting. So I did not Ryan Bailey posted a screenshot of where Brittany talked about that. So I did not listen to the whole podcast. I just went to that part because I didn't honestly really care about recapping the rest of it. Although now I am going to go back and listen to that because it's interesting about Michelle and Kristen and spoiler alert.

For anyone who doesn't want to know anything about the Valley, like, skip a few seconds, but the rumor is that Michelle and her husband are the ones that did not make it, uh, reality TV made their marriage dissolve, like they are getting a divorce. That is what people are saying. So, it's interesting. That she was talking about that, like with Brittany, as far as Kristen.

So that would be interesting dynamic. Cause I've heard rumors of Kristen knocking along with the other people. And I know she's kind of 

alluded to it too in her podcast. 

And I noted a while ago that Janet, Kristen and Janet were best friends. Like they said that in Kristen's podcast. And then at one point they stopped on the phone with each other.

So yeah, I've noted that a while ago when it happened. So I was like, okay, so something. You know, went down. So, it is just, and obviously the timing is wild because like you mentioned, or like the beginning, it's the one year anniversary of ScandalVault, and then the Valley Trailer dropped, and then we have this, so it's truly a wild time.

I will be I've never been a fan of Jax and Brittany as a couple, so this is not heartbreaking to me. It is, like, again, with them having a kid involved, I hope that they get whatever figured out they need to, and if they need to, divorce or separate, and that is for the best for them, and for Cruz, and that is what they should do.

Oh, totally.  I'm gonna buy Jackson, Brittany, go to Kentucky or whatever. I'm going to buy it. I'm just going to do it. Isn't it 

on Peacock? I don't, do you have, 

I do have Peacock. Yeah. No, I have every streaming service. I feel like 

it would be on Peacock, right? 

I feel like I don't, I don't know. I'm just going to buy the first episode.

I'm just going to do it. 

I think that you're absolutely right though. I think that hopefully they make the right decision for their kid. I don't think. 

I 

understand why people would think that it is for publicity because the way that they are announcing it is completely for publicity. This is very strategic.

It's, it's well planned out. So I understand that the, the thing is, like I was saying, it's not unbelievable. And some people are like, people have been saying, Oh, well, you know, Jax, once he got back in the limelight, then of course he cheated. I'm willing to say he may or may, he may or may not have cheated, but I think that he definitely, I think that Brittany was ready to put the show behind them.

I think that they were both ready to settle into. Parent vloggers, you know, mommy vlogger type vibes and when the show came back, I think Jax threw everything away. I think he snapped back into reality TV persona and maybe she did too because I'm not going to sit here and act like she didn't love being on television because yes, she did.

Right. And I think that. I think that the moment that they were brought back to that place, it broke them. And you know how much I hate to give Stassi credit, but if, if I'm anywhere near right about that in any capacity, then there's some credence to what Stassi said about go going back on reality television would probably break her.

Cause I think it snaps you back into a certain, you know, personality, a certain mindset that's  toxic. Also, Lindsay, when we go to LA. Jax will be on the loose. 

Oh, I heard you and Elena talk about that on your podcast and I died. I was like, everyone is on the loose. Everyone. I, I personally, and I could be wrong.

I don't think he necessarily cheated. I think. He, like you said, back in this lifestyle, staying out late, they have a kid, Brittany has also been vocal about, they're been trying to get crews into services, right, into speech services. He's in school. It seems like they're trying to actually, yeah, I don't, 

I don't listen.

I'm sorry. Oh 

yeah. So they're, they've been talking about how he's seen a speech therapist and it seems like they've been trying to. Get the ball rolling as far as helping them with whatever he needs help with. So I could see Brittany getting pissed if Jax is out all the time. It could just be, it could be that.

So it doesn't necessarily have to be he cheated or whatever. It could be him falling back into this party lifestyle. And Stassi even said on Jeff Lewis. That she, she knows what they do and that's just not her life anymore. And I could see getting back into this space could be toxic for your relationship.

And as somebody who works with children and knows how difficult a process it is to get your child into those services and how much collaboration it requires from the family. Yes. We know the parents that are out, and it's no judgment, but we know the parents that are heavily involved in their social life, let's just say that, or their maybe job, and that takes them out of being involved with the kid, and it makes it so much harder, even, I saw it when I was working with little kids like Cruz, and then all the way up through high school, it, it really does, and it puts a lot of strain, and then the kid starts acting out at school, because of this, that, and the third, and then, You know, he's biting the behavior aid and then she has to go to urgent care, even though it didn't break skin, but you know, whatever she gets off work for the day and I was fine.

So. 

And like you said, it's so important for whatever services they have crews in, both parents need to be involved and need to be on the same page. Brittany and Jackson never gave me the vibe that they've ever been on the same page. Hell no. I'm sure. They're not on the same 

page right now. They don't even know if they're living in the same house.

Exactly. Exactly. So I could only imagine in my opinion. It probably was a struggle for Jax to even agree that, that Cruz needed services, right? I could just see that. Working with kids, I've seen that before with families, like, and at some point, I think it is normal because I think parents can go through this phase of like, Oh, they're fine.

They're fine. They're just, you know, they don't need it. And then you start to learn okay, like maybe his speech is delayed and things like that. And so I could see Brittany pushing for it. And Jax being like, no, no, like he's just a boy because they just, and that just is Jax's language that we've, we've heard before.

Yeah. And he's very ignorant and I, I'm not saying that. I'm not, I understand the process of getting your child into services and understanding it and learning about it. You definitely want to know everything that you can. You want to know your rights as a parent. You want to know your child's rights. You want to understand what an IEP is.

You want to understand what a 504 is. You want to understand what all these things are. So I completely understand that. I'm just saying that those things are already difficult to process and they're so much more difficult to process when you're an ignorant moron. So him being an ignorant moron, I'm sure is like makes the whole thing difficult.

I didn't know that about, uh, about them, uh, with Cruz. That's really interesting. Yeah. Insightful. Brittany has said 

recently that they have them in speech and I think they have a, maybe an OT too. I'm pretty sure she said that. So not only do you have an ignorant parent, you also have a parent who Brittany has specifically talked about with Jackson, his temper, right?

So you have an ignorant parent, you have an ignorant person and you also have someone with a temper. I could just, I could see. Brittany and him just not getting along lately because another thing too I noticed and this is just me Again, I listened to all these podcasts. It's interesting how Britney and Jackson, Jackson, Jax went from every episode talking about baby number two and like they were trying all this stuff.

And then all of a sudden it was Jax recently was on Spencer Pratt and Heidi's podcast. The tune very much changed. It was, we're not trying right now putting a pin in that. It just, the tune. 100 percent changed. And it's just little things like that you notice with you notice with that anytime a couple says marriage is hard.

That's a big red flag that something is going down. And so just as Yeah. And so it just, I, although I'm not gonna lie, I'm still surprised that she actually admitted it on the podcast, cause I did not get that vibe last week. So I'm surprised that it was said this week. 

Maybe, maybe. And again, this is wannabe PR Emily Rose coming out, but perhaps the narrative or the advice that they were following to begin with was don't comment on it.

You know, you'll get more curiosity out of the viewers if they watch the show, if they're picking up on little things, there's an element of mystery they don't know, like that will sustain attention longer, and then maybe the, the plan changed. And it was like, well, just be honest and maybe that won't hurt either.

And I honestly don't think either way I, and I, I don't, again, I can't emphasize this enough. I don't think that they're in a good relationship. So to me, I don't, yeah, I don't think it's for. Press necessarily. I just think that they made a choice to go ahead and be honest about it Which is fine with me because I'm gonna be watching either way.

What can I say? But hopefully Cruz is okay I'm definitely interested to see how this all plays out in the press now Lindsay before we get to The nitty gritty, the big topic, the lawsuit. Are there any other podcasts or any other information or news that people need to tune into? Has Kristen, did she drop an episode yet?

No. 

No, I thought that was interesting. No, as far as right now, she has not dropped a recap.  I mean, I think it's important to know that Katie has made statements and Ariana has made statements about Tom's comment. In the New York times article, basically both of them just saying he was ignorant and that was stupid of him.

Right.  And we agree with that. 

If you didn't listen to our episode last week, we covered that extensively. So 

yeah, very much.  Other than that, I know there was some talk of Sheena just bought a house in Sherman Oaks and it was brought up in an article that the house is only in Sheena's name.  And.

Lawyers chimed in and were saying, Oh, this could mean divorce or bankruptcy and Sheena Shea. Well, I don't know why I just said her first and last name, but Sheena Shea  went on Jeff Lewis live and talked about how that she is the main breadwinner in their house. And she, this house is But it's their family home.

Brock is doing all the work on it. And Brock has stated that he, you know, the next property they buy, it can be in both of their names. So. It doesn't sound like they're heading for divorce or anything like that, but I know some people were talking about that as well. Well, 

it's probably the lady that was in the damn bikini shop had to put up with their

bickering. 

And then, oh, I think it's also the last thing before Rachel's lawsuit is it. Sandoval on his podcast, I mean, you talked about this at the very beginning, it sounded like he was underwater with his iPhone shaking and just, it's, to me, it sounded like they recorded the podcast episode and Jason and Schwartz were like, Oh man, before you put the episode out, you need to make sure that you apologize at the beginning of it.

So he pretty much says almost verbatim his. Instagram apology with a little tweaks in it, but he once again apologizes for his comments, but it just sounded very much. Oh, we need to put this in there. 

Yeah. No, it sounded it almost, it sounded like he had a gun to his head. I mean, you know, I mean, he was, yeah, his voice was shaky, but not in a 

way of, he was I don't know how to describe.

You have to listen to it. It's not in a way of he was really  remorseful. Yes. Thank you. It was more so I need to get this out here because people are going to call me out on it. 

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what to say. And I've, I've said everything I could possibly say about that shit. He, he is.

incorrigible. I don't know what else to say. Right. Okay. Now we are going to talk. So this week, what day was it? Wednesday or was it? It couldn't have been yesterday. Was it? Yes. No, it was yesterday. Yesterday. So yesterday, Thursday, February 29th, the leap year day, it broke that Rachel Levis is suing Tom Sandoval and Ari Automatics, excuse me, uh, for, and DOE's 1 through 50 for damages and injunctive relief for eavesdropping, revenge porn, invasion of privacy, An intentional infliction of emotional distress and the jury trial is demanded.

Now we're going to get into this and before we do, I just want to make a couple of disclaimers and I said this a little bit on yesterday's podcast, but one, Lindsay and I are the best. We are the most fun and very cool. Love us all you want, but we are not lawyers. Okay, well, you're not We're not for yourself.

No, we're not we're not we're not we're not at all. I'm not honey. We are not we're not lawyers We're not well, do you have a doctorate? 

I am my master's in social work. So I can be a therapist. I am not a lawyer. I don't have my doctorate. So yeah, 

I failed algebra two, three times. So I don't have a doctorate and we're not journalists.

So we are going to go through some of the things in this complaint. You can access the complaint online. I believe, Lindsay, do you know, We know how we obtained it, but how can others obtain it? 

Well, it could be, I mean, it's on my Instagram now, and it's also on other people's Instagram, but it should be public record.

I think there was an issue just with the website yesterday. I kind of wonder if it was crashing maybe, but I think if you go to Los Angeles public records, you should be able to find it. I don't know if that's still. A thing, but the, the full lawsuit is on my Instagram for anyone who is wanting to read it.

And I do actually recommend reading the whole thing. It is 19 pages, but it is the easy read. 

Very easy. Oh, shockingly so.  Yeah, I was, I was really like. I don't read a lot of things like this, so I'm not, I don't either, making a sweeping statement based on a whole bunch of information, but this was a, it's very easy to follow.

 There's a lot of  creative language in it. I think that makes it kind of engaging. I think. 

Yeah. Do you want me to go over first? What? Before we get into right, because this is the first time we've been hearing from Rachel, right? Her full story, right? I can go in first what we've heard from Sandoval what we've heard from Arianna and then we can get into Let's do it.

Let's do as far as we know with Sandoval. He has not ever confirmed or denied Anything regarding this recording the only thing that he has said on the episode of season 10 Hashtag scandal was, he said, I would normally delete something like that when they were talking about Arianna finding something on his phone.

So that is the only thing that he has ever said when it comes to Arianna, Arianna, she very much has stated that she. Did not send it to anyone else, nor show it to anyone else. Brad has also came out and said, when he did the McBile podcast, that he never saw the video. And then, specifically, when Ariana was on that episode, after Bethany, in Rachel's interview, Ariana went on shenanigans and they talked about it and in that she specifically said and also to be very clear, I have not shown or sent that video.

I don't have it. I did not hold on to it for any reason. That video was gone, gone, gone before I even called her on the phone. And we all seem to have this memory because I've talked to multiple people and I listened to all the podcasts today. I read my recaps. I watched what happens live. I watched the scandal episode.

I watched the reunion episode because we all seem to have this memory of Arianna saying somewhere that she sent the video to herself. And then. She sent it to Rachel to show her that she knew about the affair. However, I cannot specifically find anywhere where Ariana has said that. What I just read to you, she did say that she did not hold on to it for any reason.

So, I feel like that could mean, it could mean different things, right? It could mean, That it was just on Tom's phone and she saw it, or it could mean that she did send it to her phone. Rachel is claiming, and she said this in the Bethany interview, that that night, Ariana texted Rachel two screen recordings of the video and then said, you're dead to me.

And so that is where the, because people are very upset. They understand Rachel going after Sandoval. They don't understand her going after Ariana. And I was very much in that camp because I was kind of taken about when I saw Ariana's name because you know I'm a huge fan of Ariana. A part of me wonders because I've talked to some other lawyers  that have been messaging me and one of the theories is potentially they could be going, they need Ariana to get to Tom because Ariana, without that, Rachel would have not known the video existed, right?

And so they said, may, they may need the Ariana stuff to get time for emotional. If he hadn't saved and let Ariana access his phone, this never would have came out. And since there's no record of him sending it or talking about it, they have to show how it got out. And so also, I mean, here's the thing, Rachel and her team, they may want, they may have evidence and on their side and they want discovery to happen to where they go through records.

However, Ariana also will have to plead her case and she may be able to show that she didn't send it to anyone. I think the tricky part is. If she did send it to herself and then to Rachel, I personally always took that as, well, yeah, she was heated in the moment and she wanted to prove to Sandoval and to Rachel that, like, I know about this.

You cannot lie about it because I do think they would have tried to. So I'm wondering, but again I get it. You send it just once. That is. Against the law. So that's where it's really tricky. So that's kind of the overview as far as what Sandoval has said, and then what Rachel, I'm sorry, what Ariana has said when it comes to this.

You know what? I just wondered, Lindsey, and we've been talking about this offline, and I have been actually wrong a couple of times today. Have you listened to Sandoval's podcast? Have you re listened to, like, is it possible that Sandoval is the one who said, and then I guess she like, sent it to herself, you know, or whatever, and then she sent it to herself, and then she like, sent it to Sheena and fucking Raquel you know, 

I'll go back and listen to the only episode I could see him saying that would be the Hallie Mandel episode.

Right. Right. So I'll go back and listen to that. And if anyone, and if anyone listening to this, if you find, cause we all seem to have this thought of, no, I definitely was 

under that impression. Yes. 

It's not a lot of people think it's on the call or daddy interview. It's not. And it's not even like it was edited out.

Someone did a recap of the interview right when it came out. It's not in the recap. It's not on 

Kristen's, which is what I originally thought. And we, I listened to Kristen's. Yeah. And 

so it, it very much could be that when we heard Rachel on the Bethany interview, that maybe we just form that picture. I, I don't, I don't know.

But again, this will be something. Either parties there is, we live in a world where there's a digital footprint, so they both will be able to show it. And I know some people have brought up, cause in that podcast with Ariana and Sheena, Ariana brought up that when Rachel's lawyer sent out the cease and desist for anyone to not send out the video and all that stuff, Ariana sent all the stuff to her lawyer to show like she did not have the video that very much could be.

I don't think at that time they had, they were able to access phone records. Now this, with the lawsuit, what's going to happen next is they're going to have what's called discovery and that's where they can look through all the stuff and phone records will be looked at. And so again, Ariana will be able to show like, here's what my records are and they can go from there.

Yeah, I think

it's the age old tale with, with where we are with these people right now with Vanderpump Rules. I don't fault Ariana for giving herself proof of something, right? Like wouldn't, wouldn't you? I think anybody, especially if you'd been being lied to for some time, you wouldn't, you would want. Your own you would covet that you would want to have the proof for yourself so that you can do with it.

What you will now Should she, if she, if this is true, if she sent it to herself, would it have been, should she have like sent it or showed it to anyone else? Absolutely not. And that's, that's an argument to be made for Sheena as well. Back in the day with, uh, Stassi's sex tape, you know, it was alleged that Sheena was showing people.

I don't believe that she sent it to anyone. And I believe Stassi has, has confirmed that Sheena did not send it to anyone, but that she showed it to people. And that's really inappropriate. And so do I fault Ariana for sending it to herself? I don't, but this is one of these things. I feel like there's so many circumstances that have been going on with them that I'm like, these are the lessons that I'm literally helping teach.

These high schoolers is like, yeah, careful what you do on the internet. Don't share this shit. Someone will get you, they will get you. Well, with the, our kids, it's more like CP, but when it comes to explicit photos, don't, don't do anything with it. You know, obviously Rachel was recorded without her consent.

That is what she's alleging in this, that she did not know, honestly, even if he said. You know, I might record you or something like that. She would have no, no way of knowing if he did or not. So, it's just, and I don't think that he would. I feel like him recording it for himself for his own purposes is like very him.

And I think that he would be thrilled by the secret that he's keeping. That's my opinion. 

He literally said he normally deletes stuff. Like this. Like that. Right. So bro, what has been on your phone? Right. I can only, I can only imagine. And they get into that 

in this complaint too. 

Yeah. And that's a, to let everyone know when reading this, we're very much, we're going to have our thoughts and opinions.

We're going to be a try, try to be as objective. As we can, but I'm also aware of my biases like when it comes to Ariana, I met her. I've been a fan of her. So I I'm trying to consider that while also we've heard Ariana side. Now we're going to hear Rachel side and ultimately, it's going to be decided in court.

Do I think this is actually going to go to a jury trial? I don't I think it's going to go to mediation. I think that's going to be settled, but we shall see. And so The, the issue is, I, from my understanding of the, the law with this, even if Ariana just sent it to herself, and then send it to Rachel, then that is considered under the law, like distribution.

Of these, you know, I mean, yeah, revenge porn. And then the bigger thing is, Rachel, I don't, has alluded to knowing somehow that she believes Rachel, or Ariana sent, or showed this video to other people. And that's what it says on the first page. It says does one through 50 and someone on my Instagram asked who that, what that meant and the Bravo docket got to shut them out.

Keep an eye on them. I'm sure they're going to release a podcast episode about this lawsuit. They exploit their lawyers. They explained things so well. I love them so much, but they said it's because you don't know their identities now, but want to leave a placeholder in case you learn them through discovery or learn.

Or learn your actual, you have actual claims against people you do know. So basically what that means is when they get into the discovery process and they see things like this was sent to this person, that person then can be evolved is basically what that, right. And that's what I see. That means. 

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I guess people are confused because they're like, why name them if you're not going to reveal who they are, but also they don't know yet. They don't know. And also they, right. They don't know. And they also don't know. If they would even need these people to be publicly available, you know what I'm saying?

Right. I, I, 

I see that as, let's say they go to the phone record and they say, I'm just going to make up a name. They say, this was sent to John, then they're probably going to pull up John's record. Did John send it to anyone? If he did, then he becomes part of the lawsuit. That's like where my brain goes.

And so they don't, again, by them saying this, they're just saying, we believe that through discovery. And looking through phone records, Rachel's team believes that they are going to find something. So more people could be named. 50 people, like. Yeah, how do you, did they, I'm curious why they came up with that number.

Or is that just the standard? 

What I think, well, maybe it's the standard, or Rachel said, these are the people that I know have said to me or to others that they saw the video and they're not going to name those people because they don't have proof. So it's like somewhere between 1 and 50 people, there should be some proof.

Maybe that's what it is. Yeah.  Okay. So,

all right. So that's what we know what Tom has said. That's what we know of what Ariana has said. So is it time, I guess, to get into what Rachel has said. All right.

I guess I'm going to read. I'm going to go ahead and read the preliminary statement just to. Set us up and then we're not going to read the entire thing. I don't think we might end up doing that, but we are going to, we both have highlighted some things and we'll get into that. The preliminary statement plaintiff, Rachel Levis is a former cast member on Vanderpump rules, a reality television show produced by evolution media and broadcast by Bravo media, an asset of NBC universal.

This case arises from a scandal of epic proportions starting in March, 2023. Stemming from an affair between Levis and another cast member, Tom Sandoval, Scandoval, as it became, as it came to be known, went instantly viral and was a subject of extraordinary press coverage, even in the mainstream media.

Scandoval injected new life into a previously faltering series, causing its viewership to explode to unseen levels and making its cast members mega celebrities. Due to a narrative deliberately formatted by Bravo Evolution and the cast, Levis became an object of public scorn and ridicule. To be clear, Levis has repeatedly acknowledged that her actions were morally objectionable and hurtful to Maddox.

She has offered numerous apologies. There is more to the story, however. Lost in the mix was that Levis was the victim of a predatory and dishonest behavior of an older man who recorded sexually explicit videos of her without her knowledge or consent. Which were then distributed, disseminated, and discussed publicly by a scorned woman seeking vengeance, catalyzing the scandal.

Leavis ultimately checked herself into a mental health facility and remained there for three months while Bravo Evolution and the cast milked the interest her exertation had piqued. To make matters worse, Levis was misled by Bravo and Evolution into believing that she was contractually barred from speaking out about her mistreatment.

As a result, she suffered in silence as Bravo and Evolution watched viewership explode and the rest of the cast enjoyed unseen levels of public recognition and professional opportunity. Meanwhile, Levis, who was humiliated and villainized for public consumption, remains a shell of her former self with her career prospects stunted and her reputation in tatters.

Having taken the time to necessarily To having taken the necessary time to heal mentally and emotionally. Levis brings this action at long last to attain a measure of justice. So that has so far eluded her. All right. Couple of things in here. I don't know what you have highlighted, Lindsay, but for me, the first thing that I highlighted was that Levis was, it's after 0.

2 or what do you call it? Chapters. It's not chapters. It's a, I have no clue. I just say one, 

two or three. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's 

numbered a certain way child. So Levis was a victim of the predatory and dishonest behavior of an older man. Okay. Now, that is language, in my opinion, that is meant to, uh, evoke an image of someone and perhaps paint.

A certain narrative of what was going on. I will be honest. I, I don't know that his being an older man is what made him predatory. I think that. It was less about his age in this particular instance. , obviously we know that that can absolutely be the, the situation, but I don't think that their age gap had so much to do with it as his being older and experienced within the reality television world.

I think that that is what. made him predatory because I think that he wanted to groom is a wrong choice of words here when I'm trying to make a different point, but he wanted to cultivate her into a reality star and he wanted to persuade her and manipulate her to. Get some readings to be fun or whatever, I think in some ways.

So I don't know that his age is really what's up. 

No, I don't think it's really his age. It's more so. We see him. He seems to really fond over women who are down in the dumps. We had Ariana, her father just passed away. That is when they became really close. Rachel broke off her engagement. It seems she was in a really dark place.

He seems to see these women and be like, Ooh, I can shape them into how I want them. I don't know how they could have worded that, but it is an interesting choice that the language they use predatory and dishonest behavior of an older man. That was very much. They very much decided to go with that language.

To me, this preliminary statement very much reads as. It's something for the media to pick, to pick apart. Right. Right. Right. 

It's well written. It is. It's attention grabbing. It was fun to read. I'm not going to lie to you guys. Okay. Uh, but it doesn't have a whole lot of. We haven't really gotten into it yet, right?

And then another piece that I highlighted and then you can tell me what you did. Levis was mis misled by Bravo and Evolution into believing that she was contractually barred from speaking out about her mistreatment. Now, I did speak to Raquel's publicist about this because I have been following. You guys know that you guys know that I'm a Raquel Rachel Stan, right?

Like I haven't been super, uh, chill about that. So I've been following her and I reached out and just asked what I could ask. There were some questions that I asked that she could not answer. And when we get there, we'll get there. But what I did ask her was, will through this, if this goes to trial, Will we get to see what terms specifically prevented her from speaking out?

Because this comes up a couple of times in this complaint. And she said, yes, she believes so. Now she is not a lawyer either. She is a publicist. So I'm not saying take it with a grain of salt, but I think that she wanted to be very clear with me that she cannot, when it, particularly when it pertains to the lawsuit, she can't.

Speak on that, but she did this particular thing, I think, because it's  because it's something that Rachel can speak out about herself. She doesn't have to be tied to the lie. I think she said that we should be able, we will find out exactly what, what happened there. 

Did that make sense? Yeah, I think it did.

And we, it goes, it goes more into detail later on in the lawsuit when we get to the actual allegations as far as what. Rachel saying she wasn't allowed to say her bravo. It's also, again, I highlighted exactly what you talked about. And again, where I get kind of confused. Rachel is not suing Bravo. She's not suing Evolution.

She's not suing NBC. So, it's interesting when we get into more allegations because Bravo is very much brought up. So, I'm almost so, I don't know. One, I'm wondering, is there eventually going to be a lawsuit against Bravo? Or two, did they need to bring this all up in case things need to be Unlocked and discovery as far as we'll get into Rachel saying what happened at her apartment, right?

So that i'm not gonna like that does confuse me a little bit because bravo is mentioned a lot in this lawsuit So once again, they're not being sued and I am very curious As far as Rachel saying she was told by her contract, what's in her contract. She was not allowed to speak on a lot of things. That confuses me because during this time everyone else was speaking about things.

And so I'm very curious what language was used. I'm also very curious and we'll get more into this later because me and you have talked about how literal Rachel is. So I'm just so curious as far as. If these conversations come out what they very much do look like, 

well, and take notice when we're reading through this, Levis was misled into believing that she was contractually obligated.

She was under the impression is the wording that they use later on. She was, uh, I don't, I think they use the word coerced. She was, they don't say bullied, but They, the wording that they use is not the contract says she can't speak out. The wording is from what she could make of the contract. She didn't feel like she could speak out.

And I will say this, and I want to be very objective, but I will say this, contracts can be funny and they can. They can be misleading and if you are not in the game for a long time of whatever industry you're in, if you're in a contract, if you don't have a lawyer, you can over, you can threat people put threatening language in contracts all the time, not because it's legally binding, but because they want to minimize people that are going to do things they don't want you to do, which is like no shit, obviously, but a lot of times the wording in these things seems like it's a legally binding, Order, but it's, it's not, it's just trying to scare you.

It's a scare tactic. So I don't know what Bravo's contracts have. The pub, the publicist doesn't know what the contracts say she, or she might know, but she's, she's not revealing what they say. Right. But I just know from my experience with contracts that this is not unbelievable to me that someone would be confused.

Well, and from my understanding, I think, has anyone actually ever gotten a copy? I know there's been whispers of what's maybe things are in like the housewife contracts. Has anyone actually ever gotten A copy or any kind of understanding of what really is in these contracts or is that a lot of just, yeah, I would love to read one.

Me too. I would die. I would die to read one. 

Also, right. We would be remiss not to mention that this is coming in the midst of a few different things that have come out in Bravo recently that these lawyers that are handling this case. Are the same lawyers of our, our Bethany Frankel's lawyers or have worked with her.

 The, I looked up one of the people that are on here  Jason sunshine, and he is a powerful, powerful man in New York. Let's just put it that way. I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's affiliated with sunshine sacks, which is a, well, that's a publicity agency. So I don't know, but.  All of that to say, keep an eye on these people because they don't, they, they know what they're doing.

So we kind of made jokes about the wording, but these people are legit. 

Now are they the same lawyers that are with Leah and Brandy or no? 

With Brandy? Yes. Uh, not with Leah. Yes. Okay. Okay. Yep. And, and I said, Bethany already. So, and guys, I can't, I cannot get into it, but just know that there are other things going on in the Bravo world right now that are all not great.

With Leah, it is targeted at Andy Cohen, oh, and Brandy, obviously. They're both targeting, and then there's a portion of this that is literally all about Andy, so we'll get there. Okay. Oh, yeah. So, with the parties, this basically just lists the people that are involved. So we have, we've already talked about that, Ariana, Tom Sandoval, and Does 1 through 50.

The next piece is jurisdiction and venue. This is where where it's taking place. It notes that that the it's going to take place in California because the majority of it takes place in California. And I think at one point, it says that there's reason, reasonable cause to believe that even if it's people are not in less necessarily California that.

This is a California vibe. So am I wrong with that? Am I right? 

No, would say that again? Sorry 

Oh, I was just saying that this is all in California. 

Oh, yeah, that's the vibe that I also got as well. Sorry I my mind went blank for a second. No, you're fine. 

It's late. I know all right the next piece now This is where we really get into it.

Yeah general allegations The hostile, the first, general allegation A, the hostile and unsafe working environment on Vanderpump Rules. There's a lot of, in my opinion, fluffy language for a minute, just kind of setting the scene of what Sir is, who Vanderpump, who Lisa Vanderpump is, what the restaurants are.

It lists when that Rachel was a cast member from 2016 to 2023, and that she made her first appearance. This is note 15, piece 15. Levis made her first appearance on the show as the girlfriend of cast member James Kennedy, a DJ prone to violent outbursts and grappling with longstanding substance abuse issues and emotional dysregulation.

Kennedy would regularly berate Levis, falsely accuse her of cheating, and act in a generally unhinged manner, which is an understatement. Some of this was captured on camera, some was not. Levis eventually warned Kennedy that she would leave him if he did not stop drinking. However, she soon learned that his despicable behavior was not solely a function of alcohol abuse.

Now trigger warning for this next piece because this really made me uncomfortable. At Thanksgiving with Levis's family in Arizona, Kennedy erupted at Levis's mother and father and kicked her family dog four times in an uncontrollable rage. In 2021, Levis ended their relationship and broke off their engagement.

Kennedy's history of violent and dangerous behavior was well known by Bravo Evolution and the cast. Kennedy once physically assaulted then cast member Kristen Doughty on camera. The footage, however, never aired. Nor has Kennedy faced any repercussions for his actions, which would otherwise be fireable at a minimum, due in part to the intervention of his powerful ally, Lisa Vanderpump, who has served as his protector.

Yeah, I think we should stop there. Yeah, we gotta stop there. 

So, Rachel talks about this Thanksgiving dinner. She talks about it in Season 10 on the way back from Lake Havasu, or on the way back from Vegas, or wherever they were. Yes. And she's kind of, she's Now told us that she was like hungover and she was having anxiety, which is the worst and girl, I feel for you.

She has a breakdown in the car and she talks about this awful thing that like, I think this was it, right? Am I making this up? This is, that's when she breaks down, right? No, I, 

and I believe, I don't know. Well, I know we didn't see it, but I believe she also said in a podcast, she didn't go quite into all the details with Lala.

And Katie and Christina Kelly, but I believe she said she has told this story to Ariana and Sheena and Ginny T. Like she mentioned that they know the real reason why she broke off the engagement. Now, obviously there still could have been more that happened this Thanksgiving night, but we're now getting one piece of it, which I think is interesting because Rachel on her podcast, if you remember, specifically said that she has.

Two boundaries that are very important to her. One is physical violence. So that's why she said she cut Sheena off and two herding animals. So we are now hearing for the first time Rachel specifically say that James Kennedy kicked the family dog four times. And I need to go on a little rant for a minute because I'm seeing some comments on Reddit and I need to address this real quick because I think it's very easy for people to say Well, if that was my dog, I would have called the cops or I would have did this.

You do not know until you're in a situation like that, that it is, and we've talked about this on a podcast before, it is alarming to me how many times James's behavior has been brought up and people's first reaction is why didn't the woman do something? Because in that moment, if let's say they would have called the cops or whatever.

I don't know what the cops would have done if they were like, he kicked the dog four times. They do not usually respond to things like that. In my experience with the interactions I've had, not like this, but I just picturing how they would react. If you are saying, well, then why didn't she just leave?

Rachel, in my opinion, in what this lawsuit is saying, it seemed like she was in a very toxic and abusive relationship. Yes. You cannot just. Leave that it's even Rachel said in her podcast. She had to take steps to make sure she was safe. Yep. And she sounds like she did that. So again. When I read this, my mind did not go, well, why didn't Rachel just leave?

Or if, if my partner would have done that to my dog, I would have did this and that and that it sounds like this happened, that was her breaking point and then she took the proper safe steps to safely get out. She even said. That she waited what James was out of town or something and she started to pack things.

She left the engagement ring like there all this stuff. So I just, I just need that to be known that it is really easy to say that stuff. But unless you're in a situation. You, you can't not just say that stuff and I need people to focus more on James's behavior when it comes to this. That's, that's all I got to say.

And if you're fixing your fingers to go on Reddit and talk about how you would, the thing that I think bothers me about these, the people that say stuff like that is that in. Any other circumstance, not everyone, obviously, there's always going to be the trolls. There's always going to be the ignorant people, but I feel like there are a lot of people that are so personally triggered at the idea of a girlfriend of yours sleeping with your man, or triggered by the idea that maybe everyone on the show is a piece of shit.

Maybe James might be funny, but the funny guy can also be really fucking Awful. Yeah. You're so triggered by that, that if you saw this in any other circumstance, you were screaming me too out here in these streets, several years ago, you were at the damn women's March for God's sake, you don't fucking like Trump.

You don't vote for Trump. Neither do I. I, but I'm just saying you feel you stand for all these things. And then when. There's a situation of this random reality television star, you're like, well, if it was me, I would have taken the dog or why didn't she tell anyone sooner? Or well, if she was really like that upset, if he was really that bad, literally, I don't know what you guys are actually saying, but what you're saying is, well, it couldn't have been that bad because then she would just leave.

And everybody knows that victims of abuse just leave I know y'all are not that fucking dumb, and it is, it's dumb, it's ignorance, it's stupidity that makes people say things like that. There are certain things and there are certain circumstances where I understand we do have to be, we can't lean into every gut feeling that we have all the time because there's a lot from these people that we don't know and we don't understand, but at the end of the day, like.

What about James Kennedy? Do you see on television that would make you really wonder if it's true? That's what I don't understand. 

Yeah. And I think you need to sit with people who really think that James is funny and really enjoy him. I think it's okay to sit with those uncomfortable feelings and be like, Oh man.

This makes me really uncomfortable. I really like James on the show. So I'm gonna need to process this because I think when we first like people, when we, when we get attached to these people on the show, or we like them. I think our automatic reaction is to defend them and I've seen that a lot with Ariana right now because she is mentioned in this lawsuit.

I think that is a natural feeling. I think again, we can sit with that uncomfortable feeling and we can also ultimately again decide, okay, again, this is now in the court of law. So things are going to come out and things are going to be looked at. So I think it's okay for us to kind of sit back and watch that.

But when it, again, when it comes to James Kennedy, it is just so interesting the way that people automatically seem to because they do it with Kristen too. They seem to go after her first. Instead of James, not even saying to go after him, but just kind of setting your feelings of like, you know what, we have seen some of this behavior with James was really should not be that shocking.

And then, again, we're now reading. For the first time, something that happened at Thanksgiving, and then it goes into the Kristen Doty part, which I wanted to ask you, do you think Kristen Doty knew about this particular lawsuit or do you think they just grabbed this because of what's been out on Instagram and things like that?

But just, you know, Kristen said recently on a podcast, things will be coming soon. So I'm wondering if she, maybe she didn't know about the whole. Right. As far as, but I'm wondering if they talked to her. 

What do you think? I, when I was reading this, I wondered the same thing. I'm really not sure. Because it is interesting how the timing has lined up, right.

With Yes, with what she said and then with what she said. And if you guys don't know, last week on her podcast when she was, or two weeks ago, she was, right. She was recapping the episode. Yeah. That was her last recap with Ryan Bailey. Okay, so she was recapping the episode and she said that things would come out about, well actually no, because She said it on that one with her boyfriend as well, where he said the Mr.

Beats Women, DJ Beats Women and then she said, you know, well, that, you know, well, allegedly it's not allegedly, but y'all will hear about that soon. And then she said the same thing on. So anyway, she's been saying it. It's my point. I, I have a hard time believing she didn't know. I feel like that's if you're going to name somebody like that, that she's and she's not in trouble.

I don't know. I feel like she would. I feel like they would have to let her know. I mean, they don't have to do anything. Okay. No one has to do anything here, but I feel like she knows, but maybe not. She hasn't released an episode. I know that that's like a goofy thing to point out, but it is interesting.

The timing, 

the timing is always interesting when it comes to these people. And 

I'll go ahead and read this next part in 2021 after three seasons as a recurring character. Levis was cast as a lead at the same time, however, Levis was in a vulnerable state due to the breakdown of her engagement with Kennedy, which is catalyzed by his chronic substance abuse, emotional instability, and controlling behavior.

While she had previously moderated her alcohol intake because of Kennedy's heavy drinking, Levis began drinking much more heavily in the aftermath of their breakup. Levis was encouraged to do so by production and Sandoval, who believed it would make for better television and readily provided alcohol for her consumption.

I highlighted that just because part of what has been part of the quote reality reckoning was Bravo pushing their cast members to drink because it will loosen them up. It will make them more prone to say things they normally wouldn't say. It makes for better drama. People get more hyped up when they're drinking.

So that is an allegation that's come out against Bravo. But again, this is not about Bravo. And they, they make a point to say by production and Sandoval, who I believe should make for better TV. 

I thought that was interesting. And I'm curious again. And I, I don't even know necessarily if the, as far as the lawsuit, if anything will be investigated with that, because again, it's not against Bravo, but I'm curious, like, love, this was encouraged to do so by production and Sandoval.

I'm just always curious what wording people use. Right. Because I know from. Listening to Rachel and how we talked about how she takes things very literal and how she interprets things. I'm just very curious as far as like what that encouragement looks like and Particularly with Sandoval. He was just like, oh just you know drink a little loosen you up and obviously Rachel wasn't a vulnerable state, right?

She states very much how her mental health was not well during this point 

Yeah, and have I talked about with you have I talked about when I filmed for a Bravo show once? The blind date. Yes. Yes. We talked about, 

I think it was one of the first episodes I was on. We talked about that. Yeah. 

Yeah, because when I filmed for that, it was in 2018, it never aired.

So sorry, trust me, I wasn't very, they made it very clear. I wasn't being very interesting.  When I auditioned for that show, I w it was during COVID or no, it wasn't during COVID girl, please. It was way before COVID  but it was online. It was via some sort of zoom or something and it was an online audition and I was drunk when I did it.

And then when it came time for that, I made it and then when I actually filmed, I didn't want to drink because I was afraid and I was like, I want to have complete control of how I look, which is not, does not make for good reality TV. Okay. And when I tell you they had so much. Liquor. And they were constantly offering me drinks.

It's very subtle. It's not like they're not like, you know, they might not say something like, well, you better drink up. Cause this is boring as fuck. They're not like Lala about it. Okay. But they are, there's, there's. Like I specifically remember one of the producers being like, you just seem really nervous and frustrated.

Like, do you want us to get you something to drink? And I mean, this was every like 20, 30 minutes. They had a PA asking me if I wanted something to drink now. I did not drink. Okay. I did. I chose not to. That does not mean that everyone will make that choice. That does not mean that if I had chosen to drink that that would be on the producers, right?

Cause it's still my choice, but there's definitely, I, there's merit in my experience to there with, with Bravo. And I don't even remember the production company, so I can't even speak to evolution. Yeah. But there's some merit to there being alcohol readily available and to there being an idea in the air of, well, if you drink, you might quote unquote loosen up.

And I think that's what they, that's what they wanted, right? They, for a dating show, they want you to throw a drink on the guy, you know, that's what they want. So I didn't do that. 

I think mental state is a huge component of that. Cause I can think about times in my life in my early twenties when I was really going through it.

I very much drink a lot. To not think about stuff. And so while we still, ultimately I made my own decisions, right? Like I chose to drink and do that stuff, but I also have been kinder to myself as I got older, cause I reflect on like, I was not good in a mental and mentally in a place. So again, I think that's where with reality shows and ethics, like it is.

It gets messy as far as like, is it production's job to step in if they notice someone? Who seems to be struggling. Maybe they didn't notice that Rachel was struggling, right? Or if we really are filming these people's true lives, then should we get, you know, involved? I know there's been things on like the real world where they had a season where I believe the girl drove drunk or something.

And that was a huge thing. And so it's like, okay, or we just saw this past year on below deck where production stepped in. So it's this fine line of like, yeah, You know, there seems to be there's some clear cut things as far as when production cuts it. Right. But if someone does seem. Mentally not doing their best or if they notice like, hmm, this person seems to be drinking more.

Do they need to step in or they are filming these people's lives, this is a part of it. That's where I think it gets kind of murky for me. 

Definitely.  Okay.

So the next part of this lawsuit starts to talk about the actual affair, and we actually have a date of when Levis and Sandoval started sleeping together. So the lawsuit says on or about August 10th, 2022, Levis and Sandoval began sleeping together. The affair continued, a piece of Sandoval's relationship with Maddox further deteriorated.

And then it says the affair started out as, while it was stated that it was a secret, in fact, was well known to many cast members and suspected by others. Levis and Sandoval were not particularly discreet. Levis is informed and believes, and on such information, and belief  alleges that Maddox knew about it early as the fall of 2022.

Indeed, in December of 2022, Maddox scolded Levis and Sandoval for being handsy in public, and admonishing them to save the story for Season 11. So. Basically, Rachel is saying that this affair wasn't that much of a secret and I, this part to me is a little confusing and if so for the timeline for people so she is saying that Ariana may have known as early as fall of 2022.

So season 10 wrapped. In September of 2022, Rachel on her podcast talked about how she really regretted that conversation that she had with Ariana asking her about Sandoval and her sex life, because that was a moment she really realized that Ariana didn't know. about her and Sandoval. So then it's interesting that this lawsuit says that Ariana knew as early as fall 2022 and then this whole incident in December 2022 she's saying Levis and Sandoval scolded them for being for being handsy and then said save it for save the story for season 11.

And that part to me it just really stands out to me. Because my, my instinct as an Ariana fan, like there's no way in hell I could picture her saying that. Right. And I do remember this, there were, there are a lot of weird stories during this time. I think even Ariana mentioned or Lala mentioned that there was an incident where, where Sandoval and Rachel were in bed together.

And Ariana made a comment like, this is inappropriate, like stop doing it. 

Mm 

hmm. 

And so, again, I've always took it as, you know, I think Ariana turned, like, turned a blind eye to a lot of things, but for Rachel to verbatim, verbatimly say that Ariana made this comment of save the story for season 11, that is opening up such a huge can of worms.

Yeah. She was basically saying that, and she even said, like, some cast members knew about this affair. So then at that point, It's not an affair that, you know what I mean, of all these people know, so that, again, that is just so interesting to me, and I don't, my, my, my brain cannot compute that, if I'm honest, it just doesn't seem like something to me.

So, uh, That seems like an incident, sorry, that seems like, I just, again, I wonder if a moment of sarcasticness or something being literally taken, I don't know, I don't know. 

 For the, a little BTS for our listeners. I had to step away for just a second. Did you read all of, did you finish that portion? 

I just read through 2021 and then I was getting to 22.

'cause that's what I was gonna talk about, the up and out of stuff, but I just spoke was focusing on as far as. When she's saying Ariana found out and then specifically her saying save the story for season 11 because that is alluding to a lot. 

Yeah, so this is what the okay, taking this at its word, which I'm going to do in this moment, the only context that I could see Ariana saying that in is

in jest almost or sarcastically. So painting a picture if Tom and. Raquel are like being handsy or flirtatious in front of Ariana and Ariana's not bothered by it. She's not like worried. She does not think that Sandoval is going to leave her for this girl. And she jokingly says, Oh my God, what are you guys like in love?

Or like, guys, stop flirting. You should say that for season 11. If there were indeed talks. that after season 10 was up in the air, that season 11 might not happen. Right? Because there was nowhere go going with the story. I can see a circumstance where Ariana would jokingly say like, oh, well that would be a storyline.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the the truth is, or what I believe to be the truth is. There are a lot of, there is a lot of irony in these kinds of circumstances where you look back and things that you say and do are weirdly aligned. I don't think that that's out of this world. So do I, I, I'm not going to say that I believe that she was plotting to save this affair for the cameras, but can I see a circumstance where she said something like that?

Yeah. And does that, if you're trying to sue somebody, would you use their words against them? Yeah. 

Yeah. And, and at that point, again, I don't really know as far as a lot of this, a lot of this stuff, again, seems to be more of, I don't know, giving a background context of a story, but once again, they're not suing Bravo or Evolution or as far as the whole affair itself.

Is not a part, you know what I mean, as far as like the actual  what she's suing for. And so, then we get into, at that time, Vanderpump Rules was facing an uncertain future. Interest among the public had worn and the plot had grown stale. Maddox, in particular, was reportedly on the chopping block. In the absence of a sticky new storyline, there's every reason to believe that Vanderpump Rules would have been cancelled.

Maddox was aware of these pressures as Sandoval And both were heavily invested financially, uh, and reputationally in the show remaining on air by extension of their relationship was already on the rocks and Sandoval was intent on brazenly carrying out an illicit affair with another cast member, they had every incentive to leverage these salacious threads into the storyline of Vanderpump Rules.

So, back to. Ariana being on the chopping block. So, Up and Atom made a video a few weeks ago, I cannot remember the date, and he It's interesting that he talked about this. So he said that there was rumors going around that Ariana was supposed to be axed after season 10 of APR. They told her she didn't have a real storyline and allegedly Lisa had an on camera conversation with somebody else talking about if she doesn't step it up, she'll be axed from the show.

And Sandoval was the only one saving her. That's how they got The sandwich shop and play and then scandal will happen. So that's really interesting timing. I do not know who Adam heard that from. I do not know where Rachel heard this from, but to me. It sounds like they heard it from somebody either close in the group or someone in the VPR universe about the story of Ariana being on the chopping block, but that has never been a topic before.

Like I said, Adam up and Adam just released that video and then I'm seeing it in this lawsuit and I was just like, this is interesting. 

 You know, when you retell that story, because we've talked a little bit about it, but my question is. Well, I have a lot, but the first one is why would Glisa Vanderpump have a, uh, an on camera conversation with someone about Ariana, not stepping it up for the show?

I 

know, unless they just made it happen to be. And on camera and 

they ended up cutting it 

or like they just were filming something else and then that also happened to be on camera. Yeah. Or they were having a converse. If that was their narrative for season 10, if they were setting it up somehow for her not to be on the show.

So. Maybe, I don't know, I'm trying to think of like, if Lisa was actually saying this on camera, maybe she had to say certain things for them to edit it together to paint whatever picture. I don't, I don't know that this, again, this is all just, if we're, if we're taking at word of what they're saying, right, that Ariana was on the chopping block, Up and Atom said a conversation was had.

That is the confusing part because we're not going to see on the show Lisa being like R. N. I thought stepping her pussy up for a storyline. 

Right. 

We're not going to see that. So, 

sorry. I have 

to find some humor in this because this is all like fucked up shit. 

It 

is. And wait, can I say something really quick?

No, you're good. Go.  This is the hardest part for me to believe. And you know, I, I will believe a lot. This is the hardest thing for me to believe. It just doesn't make sense. I have obviously come up with a way that it could make sense because that's what I keep doing. But my instinct with this was they're not going to fire Sandoval.

Right. So in what circumstance would Sandoval be on the show and Ariana be quote, on the chopping block. Like there's a couple of things. So they would maybe not fire her, but reducing her screen time and focusing the narrative largely on Schwartz and Sandy's Sandoval touring and kind of write her out as someone who has the focus.

Right. Another theory that I have concocted is If indeed there were behind the scenes or behind closed doors issues with Tom and Ariana, and Tom said that they broke up in February for a brief amount of time, perhaps there was a conversation to the extent of, well, if you guys are not going to be together, if you guys are broken up, then we're not going to pick up Ariana.

We're just going to go with Tom. So. That is, uh, a possible way, but in general, I don't believe that with the circumstances that we are to understand that Tom and Ariana are in this strong relationship, we're talking about kids, we're talking about, you know, the house and all these things that, that they would just cut Ariana on the chopping block, which does not to me.

Indicate they're cutting her screen time. That to me indicates they're cutting her out of the show. But, again, maybe it is just cutting screen time. Focusing less on her. Focusing less on their relationship. Yeah. 

Well, and also if Ariana, let's say it's like after season 10, Ariana and Sandoval did just break up.

I don't think the audience would just be okay with season 11. We just see Sandoval. We don't ever hear, you know from like, that just doesn't, does not make sense to me, but somehow again, Up and Atom, I've heard that rumor. And now in this lawsuit, it's in there. So the story came from somewhere where I do not know.

So I'm curious if that will also come out eventually. 

Okay. So next piece. Next big piece. Next section. Yeah. B, Sandoval and Maddox record and distribute illicit videos of Levis on or about. On or about March 1st, 2023, Sandoval was performing with his cover band at TomTom in West Hollywood when his phone purportedly fell from his pocket and slid, unlocked or otherwise fully accessible, into the crowd.

It was reportedly retrieved by an attendee and handed over to Maddox, who searched it and found sexually explicit videos of Levis. Levis is informed and believes, and on such information, And belief alleges that the explicit videos were recorded by Sandoval without her knowledge or consent in or around February, 2023.

The two videos Levis has seen depict her in a state of undress and masturbating. However, given Sandoval's apparent practice of secretly recording their video calls, Levis has every reason to assume there are additional illicit videos and or photographs of her that she's not seen yet or not yet seen.

Levis is informed of and believes and on such information and belief alleges that Maddox obtained at least two illicit videos of Levis and distributed them and or showed them to others without Levis's knowledge or consent. At a minimum, Maddox circulated the illicit videos to herself and Levis. She also immediately informed production about what she had found.

In addition, many other individuals have demonstrated intimate familiarity with their contents, leading Levis to believe that the circle of recipients is wider,

which is what we were talking about with the does, or that's where I think maybe the does would come into play that once they find, once they get into discovery and they find out who may or may not have had access, that's where these does may come into play. I'm not a hundred percent sure of that, but that's just what I assume.

Well, and it's interesting because Leavis is very much alluding to that she thinks that people have seen this video the way that people have described things to her. However, Ariana has said, as far as, again, she has not shown the video or sent it to anyone. And she said in that podcast, but people, it's very cut and dry what was in the video.

And that said, like she was masturbating. So people can just. picture that and come up with like their conclusions, but I'm curious if whoever Levis has been Rachel has been talking to, if they have specifically, you know, maybe they talked about in the background, they saw this in the video. I mean, it's just interesting because obviously Rachel is very much under the impression that other people have seen this video.

But again, I believe this is something that could be easily proven or not with phone records. So that will be something that  I don't know if we'll see it again, it depends on if this is just settled, but that may eventually come out. 

Yes, also before we get in the C and D, which are, I don't, I don't really have any notes on most of this until about halfway through D.

I want to go back to something really quickly  because I believe I was stepped away when you were discussing it. So I just want to really emphasize point number 21, although purportedly secret the affair was in fact well known to many cast members and suspected by others. That was a question that I did ask the publicist and she could not speak on that.

So, I don't know if we're gonna know the details of that, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if we're gonna find out. Right. Now, Schwartz knew. We know that Schwartz knew. Right. So is this tricky wording? Like, technically Oh. Technically, Joe is a cast member now. We know Joe knew. Yeah. You know, technically  What's his name?

I think it's Isaac or Israel. It's an I name. Who worked as Schwartz and Sandy, I believe, that he knew. Uh, you know, I Kyle, maybe. Kyle, right. There, there might be just some, some Wordplay there or there's more to it. So I don't know if we're going to find that out. And also before I continue, let me just make sure that I'm not mixing things up because that would be the worst in the world.

 Let me just make sure.

Okay,

I was correct. Yeah, those are things that she cannot answer. And it's, it's kind of hard. Yeah. It's hard for me to like, determine what is contract and, and what, or what is lawsuit specific and what isn't, uh, because I'm not a lawyer. All right. So see, love is spattered after Maddox steals and sends a list of videos.

Literally, there's nothing there. We don't already know. And I'm not just skipping over it because it's Sheena, but it truly, we already know the story about Sheena hitting her allegedly. Pushing her against the wall, throwing the phone. We already know all that D Bravo and evolution capitalized on Scandaval and cover up defendants, illegal acts.

So the first part of D is kind of just talking more about how season 10 wasn't, or season 11, wasn't going to be guaranteed. Season 10 was purported to be a flop. So when this broke, they capitalize it. They had merchandise. I personally own a, I survived Scandaval hoodie. I felt bad about that or a shirt.

 All of the people. That that were making money off it, send it to Daryl content. Now, this is, this was a question that I had, but I didn't ask. Cause I was curious also about the does, if like content creators are implicated in this, like people that made merch you know, I was just curious if that's who they're.

Talking about here, or if they're just specifically referring to cast members, I think it's just cast, but I was just kind of curious.  So now let's get into this, which I'm going to read if, if you are cool with that. Yeah, go for it. Point number 32. This is the That's what I had highlighted too. Okay, yeah, yeah.

This is the big, this is the big one. On March 4th, 2023, the day after the news of the affair had broken, production directed Levis to film with Sandoval at her Los Angeles apartment. With cameras rolling, Levis confronted Sandoval for secretly recording pornographic videos of her and storing them unprotected on his phone.

Sandoval had not only invaded her privacy and breached her trust, but had also left her enormously vulnerable to a nightmare scenario of the videos leaking on the internet. Sandoval responded to Levis's fury with cowardice and lies, claiming falsely that he had obtained permission to record her. Seeing that Levis was having none of it, however, Sandoval ultimately offered a reluctant admission and a sheepish apology.

Sandoval was clearly rattled. After filming ended, an erratic and unsettled Sandoval refused to leave Levis apartment in spite of her requests. Levis was forced to have her sister and brother in law pick her up and drive her to their home. That day, Levis retained an attorney to mitigate the risk of the illicit videos leaking.

Once at her sister's home, Levis turned off her phone for two days, hoping the heat would die down. However, media reports suggest Sandoval was in a panic over the on camera confrontation with Levis. Specifically, he was concerned that being accused of recording non consensual pornography would paint him in a negative light, unquote.

Quote, paint him in a negative light, unquote. Sandoval reportedly threatened to cease all further filming for the show unless he was granted editing rights over the scene. Shockingly, Bravo and Evolution obliged his demand. The scene was selectively edited to omit any mention of Sandoval's illicit recording or Levis's lack of consent.

This was part of a pattern and practice of Bravo and Evolution throwing Levis under the bus in favor of Sandoval. Recording. Someone engaged in sex acts without their consent as a crime, and Sandoval appears have admitted to it on camera, portraying the confrontation as it actually occurred. Instead of protecting sleazy Sandoval would not only have been truthful, it would've been also good television, but Bravo and evolution had apparently decided that Levi would be their sacrificial lamb throughout the ordeal.

They have San, they have sanitized the story to ensure Levi would look as, uh, would be seen as the ARC villain. Arch villain. 

So. When we heard rumblings, I don't know if we remember, of the scene and Sandoval throwing some kind of fit. 

Right. Well, what was immediately Now, Kristen Sorry, go ahead. 

No. Well, Kristen said this on a podcast, I haven't pulled up that the, the rumor was, and what she heard is that Sandoval and Rachel kissed at this apartment and Sandoval was upset because of how that would look in the scene and make him look bad.

And Kristen said that. Kristen was with Ariana when news broke that Sandoval and Rachel kissed in Rachel's apartment. We all saw this episode and there was no kiss. So what happened? Kristen and Ariana talked to a couple of people in production when the news leaked and were like, I mean, someone in production or someone was there when they were filming, must have leaked this.

And they agreed that must have been a production leak. So whoever they talked to in production agreed that it must have been a production leak. However, when we watched that scene. Nothing came out. So that's interesting to me that it's almost like if we're taking if we're taking the lawsuit for what it is, was this whole alleged kiss leaked to get away from this narrative of what have what this lawsuit is alleging?

Like, that's just interesting to me. 

So, and just because I know that it's kind of difficult, I'm sure, to listen to this and listen to us read  just in case you zoned out for a second. Basically, Sandoval and Raquel got in an argument in that scene where Sandoval comes to her apartment and they're like, the lights are on and off and it's weird.

Very awkward. They get into an argument because Raquel is like, hey, you shouldn't have recorded me. And then Sandoval ends up, he tries to say that she knew and she was like, no, I didn't. And then he tries to be like, I'm sorry. And then it ends fine. But then It escalates and then Raquel needs someone to come get her and then Sandoval throws a fit.

So, the implication here is that Bravo knew that there was illegally recorded pornography by Sandoval and covered his ass and prioritized him by not letting that portion of their evening air. So, and like Lindsay said, what we were told I mean, I remember almost immediately it was like, they kissed on camera and Sandoval, but you know, when you really think about it now, I understand why we would believe that back then, but everything we've seen up until now, March 1st, 2024, almost a year later, a year later, does Sandoval seem to be regretful or remorseful of his relationship Rachel, because I don't feel he would get up in arms about how it would look him kissing Rachel on camera.

Right. Because I don't think that he gave a fuck about how Ariana felt. Right. I think that at that time we could have believed that he gave a fuck because we couldn't believe that he wouldn't. Right. But I think that since then he has shown, shown that he does not care about what she thinks and the implication in like.

Oh, it would look bad for me to kiss Raquel. Well, it would look bad because it would hurt Ariana. I don't think that he gives a fuck about that. Can't emphasize that enough. That's why I keep saying it.   What do you think, Lindsey? Do you. This is all our opinions. If we had to make a choice what do you think?

I mean, I remember Reality Bites talked about this in a podcast episode where they said, I do too. If this conversation did happen, then it would have been on Bravo to stop. And then an internal investigation would have had to happen. And I think they probably What, and again, what should have happened, I don't know what happened, is they would have had to explain to Rachel, you know, what, basically what to do with this information, if she wanted to proceed with it, if she, you know, didn't want it in the episode, I don't know, there's some kind of conversation had to have, and I don't know if any investigation took place.

That's, that's what you think would happen. So 

can I push back on that for just a second? Yeah. Because I listened to that too, and they are literally the experts on that. My question is though, because we don't know the logistics or the specifics of the conversation. Right. If you're just somebody that is recording.

This and the focus is this is the biggest affair that's ever happened on this show and If Rachel isn't explicitly saying in that moment Hi, you recorded me without my permission, that's illegal. Like, maybe the conversation didn't happen like that. And, just based on how this world operates, and the kind of shit that they've seen on this show, I, and the pressure that they were under, also, this is evolu this is  Beverly Hills crew, by the way, this isn't like, so I just feel like I wonder if that's something that maybe in the moment you wouldn't necessarily think of it that way, you would just think of it as oh, I don't know, I don't, I'm going to be honest, when you first hear that he had a video of her, I think that my assumption until later was that she sent him the video and I don't know how it was worded.

I'm just trying to give the producers a little bit of credit because I think, yes, if it was explicitly said, Hi, you recorded me without my consent, like that should stop things. But I just have, I'm wondering if the way that it was worded at first wasn't exactly that. Does that make sense? 

No, it does. And it's also a little confusing because someone sent me an article today from the Variety saying that they had access to an email from, I believe, Rachel's lawyer.

I don't know if it's still her lawyer, but at that time, it was an email to Bravo asking them to not release any footage, like, for that particular scene, not releasing anything as far as Standable saying that about it. And so people are like, but then now in the lawsuit, it's kind of acting like they're saying that Bravo cut that out to help Sandoval out.

Now the way my thinking was that is at that time, I'm sure Rachel didn't want that out. She was still maybe processing all that and didn't want that out in the public. I also don't think necessarily, again, what is being stated is. Against the law and a criminal act as far as saying of a recording someone without their permission.

So I just, I have to think that I like to think that some conversation happens as far as what to do with this information. But then now that I don't, again, I don't know if Rachel has had time to process on some things, or now that she's taking, you know, action, all of this is like coming into play, that is a little bit confusing to me.

However, do I, could I see this happening where this conversation did happen and Sandoval did say this? Absolutely. I could see that this happened. As far as where I, where I am confused about is after Sandoval said this, what actions? What happened next? That's where my brain is a little fuzzy as far as what happened.

So that, yeah, it's a little confusing to me, but I. I can see Sandoval, but this conversation very much happening and then him getting heated and then refusing. And again, this could be a story that he, I think she said what her sister and someone had to come over. Those are witnesses, right? Now, as far as Sandoval getting like editing rights, I don't necessarily, they could have just told him, don't worry, man, we'll cut it out.

Yeah. And then Sandoval could have said like, Oh, they gave me, Okay. Editing rights, blah, blah, blah, like, and that would line 

up with what he had that would line up with what Rachel's been saying. Yeah. I also want to be really clear.  I want to be explicit. Okay. I fully believe that any of the women on Reality Bites as producers would have caught on to the nuances of that conversation immediately and stopped it.

I'm just saying that I don't know that everyone would have and that's why I believe because I think that from everything that I've listened to on their podcast, that they are very, they build rapport. They're very in tune with what is going on with the cast members that they work with. I just don't know that these people were necessarily, and that could have been, and that's an oversight and that's really, that's unfortunate.

And they maybe need to be reevaluated as producers. But  But I can see how that would slip past the cracks in this particular circumstance, even if that's not right, you know, 

yeah, and it will be an interesting to when in discovery of Bravo will have to. Release that footage will probably, I mean, obviously I don't think us, us, us simple folks will not be able to, to be privileged to that, but Bravo, if you need anyone to just sit through hours of footage or to transcribe anything, hit me up.

I got you. Literally. And if 

you guys need an, a reporter to go, if it goes to trial, like an in court. Uh, reporter, I'll go back to L. A. I'll be there. Okay  let me see. Alright, so this, the next piece, uh, in the same, under the same bracket, talks about how she checks into the mental health facility and so, but, but, okay, I'll just read it.

By March 10th, Levis had decided to check herself into a mental health facility. Sandoval, for his part, tried to talk her out of it and begged her to participate in the reunion. Which we know is True, based on what she's already said about how he is. , Levis reluctantly agreed to wait to go to the mental health facility on the condition that a mental health professional be on set in case things got out of hand, given her fragile mental state and the fury brewing among the cast. Bravo agreed, then changed its mind.

Levis then requested that her publicist and confidant Juliet Harris be permitted to attend. Bravo agreed, then again changed his mind. By that point, the reunion was the next day, too soon for Loves to pull out, and she had no reasonable alternative but to participate. She also feared the legal implications of refusing to appear, given the draconian terms of her contract, and so And so she did so but with this without the support she felt was needed and that Bravo had previously offered to provide.

 At the same time, press coverage was slanted decidedly against Levis

and she became an object of scorn and ridicule. Other cast members were vilifying her in interviews and waging a public campaign against her on social media. They could not have done so without the blessing of Bravo, which pre approves all cast media appearances and exercises, tight control over public messaging, which I highlighted.

Yeah, I did too. I'm going to fight that in a minute. 

Yes. Bravo has clearly decided that, had clearly decided this feeding frenzy was good for ratings. Various cast members and Bravo itself also released their own Scandal Ball merchandise to cash in on the explosion of interest, including an I Survived Scandal Ball long sleeve shirt currently available for sale on Bravo's website.

I do own it and I am going to keep it. Uh, but Rachel, I will, I'll send you 40 bucks, uh, if that's any help because I want to keep my certain. 

Yes. So the part that they say they could not have done so without the blessing of Bravo, which pre approves all cast media appearances, exercises, tight control over public messaging.

 Thank you. Yeah, so many of these people go rogue. Sandoval went rogue on Howie. He went rogue on Nick Vile. Sheena went rogue on Amazon Live. While Lala went rogue on 

Amazon live a couple of times. 

So while they are supposed to get approval, they all, they do not always do that. And is it believed that sometimes afterwards they quote unquote get in trouble?

I don't know exactly know what that means. I know there is talk of Sheena getting. Quote, unquote, and trouble after that Amazon live where she talked about hugging, you know, Sandoval and her and Lake Tahoe and the Graham situation, but I don't know if that is a fine or 

Well, Lala got in actual trouble.

Like we saw her have to walk the shit back.  God, what was it? I remember it was in, I was enraged when it happened. Cause she's so annoying with this hip hypocritical backtracking bullshit. But, uh, she said something child. I think it was maybe, maybe about the reunion. And then people were like, Oh, and then she was like, no, I didn't say that.

And then later she came out and said, yeah, I had to tell you guys that I didn't say that because I got in trouble with Bravo. So she fully walked her shit back. 

Yeah, so these people. They very much 

should but they don't always. 

Yes, exactly. So like that, that wording of the lawsuit, I'm just like, uh, that actually these people, they do go rogue.

They do.  All right. So here's another piece that I have a lot of questions about. Uh, 

so 

basically at number 39 is talking about how Bravo was deliberately uh, Making Levis like the scapegoat of all of this and profiting off of her demise, blah, blah, blah, then says Levis was subjected to a gag order prohibiting her from discussing Sandoval's gross invasion of her privacy.

Maddox's vengeful response, Bravo's cover up, or the veracity of her allegations of physical assault against Shay, who was publicly calling her a liar, accusing her of playing the victim and being falsely backed up by others. In sum, while the rest of the cast savaged Levis reputation and lied about her in the press, drumming up not only interest in Vanderpump Rules, but also hatred of her, Levis herself was involuntarily silent, muzzled by Bravo for the sake of its ratings.

While all of this may have been good for ratings, it was catastrophic for Levis human being, who was forced into hiding and subjected to death threats directed at her and her family. Sandoval, on the other hand, received a development deal from Bravo for a job well done, along with a pay raise.

Uh, yeah. I mean, this is what I was talking about. I, I really want to know how they silenced her and under what condition because, you know, no, no, no, go ahead. 

Well, and then obviously something happened because then Rachel went on Bethany's podcast in August and went through all this stuff, right? Right. So what does she actually mean was subjected to a gag order.

I don't understand like to gag orders. What does that actually look like? Is there an expiration date with that? Or what does that entail? Because again, Rachel then described this, I think I believe with the first time we heard Rachel say verbatim, I know it was out in the press, but her say verbatim that Standable sent that recorded her without permission and that Ariana sent it to herself and then text it to Rachel.

So I'm just curious, What again that conversation looks like as far as like Bravo saying you cannot talk about these specific things. I just don't understand again how that played out. 

Me either.  I, I find it fascinating. I'm really interested to learn, but I don't have an answer. 

Well, and again, this, this suit isn't against Bravo, but it's almost like, could there not be implications?

I mean, you're literally saying, well, are you trying to say like they have in there? Their contracts are somewhere that you cannot, because this is a crime, you know what I mean? Like again, recording someone without their permission is a crime. Right. I don't, I thought with as far as these contracts when it comes to this stuff, like that's.

You can't tell someone they can't speak on that. So how does that work? 

I, again, I have to assume that they're in the, well, actually, let's, let's move on because there, it does kind of get into that a little later. The next section, which is section E is about Andy Cohen.  And then all the fucked up shit that was said to her at the reunion.

I have already spoken about how I don't think it's appropriate to tell someone to fuck themselves with a cheese grater. I think that's really I thought that was maybe one of the grossest things to come out of anyone's mouth.  Not saying Ariana shouldn't have been hurt, but some shit you just write down.

We felt that when she said that. Yeah.  And, uh, then he kind of. Made some comments about her and talked about her being medicated, which was inappropriate. And so that's basically it. I'm going to be honest. I get this kind of was reminiscent of when Bethany had her read out everything that was said to her, not to, I understand they have to put this in there cause it just kind of helps build their case about how poorly she was treated and how disregarded she was.

And she was kind of thrown away by the cast, but nothing for me to really say that I haven't already said. But then it's 

confusing to me still because I know this is included, but again, it's not against Bravo. So it's just again that part some of the some of this context that's included just again makes me think is well eventually are they going to go after Bravo, because I believe Ariana in Sandoval's team can look at this lawsuit and have a lot of this like strike from the record right because it doesn't pertain to them.

Right. So I'm just curious, like, obviously choices were made to include this stuff I just don't And I can't wait for the Bravo docket to explain this, cause I feel like they'll be able to help me understand a little bit more of why this stuff is also included. 

Totally. Uh, Bravo and Evolution's Sabotage Loves His Recovery.

Uh, I'm gonna read this cause I Really want to. Yeah. By the time of the reunion, Levis was utterly battered physically and mentally, and shortly thereafter she checked into a mental health treatment facility and remained there for three months. Even in treatment, however, Levis could not escape the from the claws of Bravo and Evolution.

She was warned repeatedly by them not to breach her confidentiality obligations, which contained no exceptions for medical treatment or therapy. As a result, Levis was fearful of facing legal repercussions for her honesty and was forced to walk on eggshells. This caused her extreme stress and severely stunted her progress in treatment.

Unfortunately, that did nothing to stop the vitriol. When Levis checked into the treatment, she gave her dog, Graham, to her parents for safekeeping. Graham was traumatized by years of abuse at the hands of Kennedy and was not an easy dog to manage. After a number of incidents, including one in which he bit Levis mom down to the bone and caused her permanent nerve damage, keeping Graham became untenable.

Levis family handed him over to a no kill rescue organization and requested It's discretion given the intense public scrutiny of Levis. Instead of re homing Graham's promise, the rescue organization, knowing full well, excuse me, knowing full well Kennedy had a history of animal abuse, contacted Lisa Vanderpump, who gave Graham back to Kennedy.

All of them, with Bravo's blessing, then seeded a false and malicious narrative that Levis had tried to get the dog put down. At around this time, rumors were circulating, also seeded by Bravo and the cast, that Levis was actually on vacation and had faked her hospitalization. Illustrating the depths of its moral turpitude, Bravo refused to publicly acknowledge that Levis was, in fact, in inpatient mental health treatment, presumably for fear such disclosure would undermine the storyline.

Not only would they not do so, they prohibited Levis through her publicist from doing so. All of this caused even more public scorn of Levis, further unjustified harm to her reputation, and increased threats to her and her family's physical safety. So we're about to  kind of wrap up the. Summation of all of this, I have to say, and I said it before, there were accounts, there were Bravo accounts, there were content creators that were literally saying with no basis that they knew for a fact that she was not in treatment.

They were spinning this. They mentioned who told them this and they're this from everything that I saw at the time and from what I remember at the time being really horrified by it all is very true. There were cast members, and while I don't, from my recollection, Sheena was not one of the cast members, but I'm not going to let my bias stop me.

Any of them could have been the one saying that, oh, she's just on vacation. And there was one that was specifically named, I won't name, because that would maybe give the content creator away. But there was one content creator that was doing this really weird thing, guys, I'm just going to be honest with you, where It was, it was almost like parasocial where they were insisting that this girl was not in a damn mental health treatment and that she was at a hotel or some shit and it's really weird and it's still kind of like makes me feel weird to this day because why?

Yeah. Like, why would she lie about that?  It's like, isn't it just  more reasonable that she just checked in? Don't celebrities go to rehab all the time just to get shit off their, you know, get people off their backs for their drug. Doesn't mean that they're going to be healed when they come out.

Doesn't mean that they're not going to pick up the bottle as soon as they walk out, but people Go to these places. It's, it's hard for me to describe because it wasn't just like, oh, she's not there. It was like, oh, it's unreasonable to even think that she would ever want to do something like go to a mental.

She doesn't have anything wrong with her. She's just a piece of shit. She's just a trash whore. I swear to you guys, it was really bad. And 

I want 

to be unbiased too. But some of the stuff that was being allowed by the cast and by extension Bravo was uncool. And that was one of it. That was one of those things to me, in my opinion.

Yeah. The part that really stands out to me that I would love more clarification on is the whole, so they prohibited Rachel through her publicist from doing so, like what, why this whole notion of them not letting Rachel confirm. That she was in a mental health facility, I don't understand the why behind that.

I really don't. I know they said, presumably for fear for such disclosure would undermine the storyline. I even with that, I, I, I just, I do not understand the why, nor do I understand because I think the publicist on Rachel's podcast recently said that they did put out their own statement. And they're trying to get Bravo to publish it too, but they want it.

And I just don't understand. I don't know. It just, to me, seems simple. Like she's in a mental health facility just post year. I mean, she's asking you to, to clarify that she's there and just do that. I don't understand the, all of that. 

And what storyline, because when she went in, they weren't filming for season 11.

Right. They had already filmed the reunion where she said she was going to treatment and that she was getting help on the reunion. Well, so what's storyline? 

And what we're seeing now in season 11 and Rachel is, they're saying she is in a mental health facility. I mean, Santa was waiting for her to get out and she got out, but isn't talking to him.

So that is said on this season. So that part to me, I would love more clarification as far as what that looks like. As far as bravo prohibiting that  again, that might not that probably won't be a piece that. We will ever see, but that's what stands out to me, and I just, I, I don't understand it. My brain, once again, I keep saying this, my brain cannot compute that.

No, not at all. And so we wrap up this piece of the complaint. In short, Levis has been battered and broken irrevocably in service of a salacious storyline. Uh, Et cetera, et cetera. They warned her unironically that she must return to avoid having her story told by others and reaffirmed her prohibition against speaking to the press on her own terms by the, but the depths of her mistreatment in season 10 went far beyond what is acceptable.

Even reality television and Levis knew that returning to the show meant risking a descent back into the depths of despair from which she had just emerged. Meanwhile, everybody else got what they wanted. Vanderpump Rules remains on the air, continuing to milk the storyline Levis catalyzed. Sandoval emerged with a significantly higher pay and a development deal with Bravo.

What is this development deal? Maddox has become a bonafide darling of pop culture, has a new boyfriend, and is starring on Broadway. For Levis, the future is less rosy. She brings this suit to vindicate her legal rights, if not to restore her sullied reputation. Well, I, for one, am a huge fucking fan of the podcast, okay?

So, you got me. Okay. So I, I'm certainly not going to read through all this out loud. Cause , I will put you guys to sleep, but these are the causes of action. So, which I read at the beginning. So the eavesdropping, the revenge porn, invasion of privacy, and, uh, Jesus, what's the other one? I think that's it, isn't it?

Oh, intentional infliction of emotional distress. Yeah.

I don't know what to say. Well, I think, 

I think it's important.   Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, I can. Okay. Sorry. I'm at your point. I'm echoing. 

Can you hear me now? Okay. Sorry. 1 of my AirPods stayed.  I think just with this section, what's it we can just go over because certain accounts are against certain different people. So, for instance, the ear that is dropping 1, which I know some people heard that and they're like, he's dropping.

Like, I could be sued for that. Because when I think of, yeah. I think of like my, my ear to the door listening or Harry and 

Ron's extendable ears from yes. 

Yeah. But this is specifically talking about him recording the engaging in numerous private, like they engage in private conversations and him recording these, that's part of it.

So this specifically is against Sandoval.   And then it goes through like what she's seeking as far as uh, damages and things like that.  And then the actual, the revenge porn, that is against Maddox, in Joe's 1 through 50. So this is the actual, she's saying that Ariana sent the video, or sent the video to herself, to Rachel, and to other people.

And then, as we mentioned before, other people may eventually be brought into this lawsuit. And then.  The 

invasion of privacy. 

Yeah. Third one is evasion of privacy. That one is against Sandoval, Maddox, and again, does through one 50 and it looks like this. I mean, I think it's kind of among the same things, right?

As far as the actual, I mean, 

this is where the Bravo docket is going to come really in handy because I don't know that I understand the distinction between, or yeah, between the two. Eavesdropping and invasion of privacy as far as legally, like what the difference is. Yeah, I think maybe I, I think maybe eavesdropping is like the physical act of doing it.

Whereas the invasion of privacy is. The, like, knowing about it, I don't know how to describe it, like the intellectual piece, whereas the eavesdropping is the physical act, the actionable thing. I don't know. 

Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait until they really go through this. And then the last one is intentional infliction of emotional stress.

And again, that is, that is with Sandoval, Maddox, and Doe's 1B50. So this is interesting because I believe It will, I believe Rachel is also going to have to I don't know, prove or show that like 

these 

things were do were done due to like malice intent. It sounds like some of the, well, there's something, where's it at?

Let me pull it up.  Well, you, I guess you, well, do you have to prove intent for, oh, okay. 65, like for revenge porn does. Yeah. I don't think that. No, I don't 

think so. But this says  lovers is informed and believes. And on such information and beliefs alleges that is informing the acts. Okay. Oh, Malik's acted with oppression, fraud and malice or internally that Maddox acted in such conscious disregard of Webster's right to privacy.

  Well, so again, I guess even the act in such conscious disregard, so again, I don't think necessarily, yeah, when, because I saw some people saying they would have to prove malice intent, but I don't think that's the case, because then couldn't anyone who sent videos or things could just say, well, I didn't do it maliciously, right?

So I don't think I, 

I'm sorry to interrupt. 

No, I wish that was my thought. 

Well, I'm thinking through again through discovery, depending on what they find. I don't know, like, how specific that can get. I don't know, like, all what all they're going to comb through. But if at any point, Arianna said something to the effect of.

I don't fucking care. I don't care who sees it. I don't care how she feels and that would be disregard, you know, of her right to privacy.  I don't care. Show it to everyone, which she did say about the affair. We know, according to the law law, but I don't know that she said that necessarily about the video.

So maybe that's something that would have to be investigated. 

Yeah, this, the last part of this lawsuit will definitely be good as far as an actual lawyer to go over as far as the charges and what they have to prove. But I just thought, again, what we went over, because again, some of these charges are only against Ariana, some of them are against both Ariana and Sandoval, and then some of them are just against Sandoval.

And then,  Again, the lawsuit ends with prayer for relief and that just kind of goes over what they want now she in this lawsuit, it does not specifically say any amounts that they're asking for. And so that will be interesting if to keep note of if a number ever does. Come up again. I don't think this is gonna go to trial.

I really don't. She does 

demand trial by jury. 

I know, but I think what happens now, you can demand that, but I don't think that necessarily happens. No, I don't think so.  I think now it goes into discovery. Whatever is found there, I think then the lawyers send out or come together and it, there's a mediator involved and it's either settled or then I'm guessing it would go to.

Would it go to a jury then or would it go to something else before a jury? I don't know. 

Uh, I don't know. I was in the operetta trial by jury. 

Oh, really? 

I watched jury duty last year. I really don't know. I have no idea. Stay 

tuned on that. Again, the Bravo docket will have more or Emily D Baker. Has she talked about it yet?

I don't know. I meant 

to look. I meant to look today on YouTube. I don't think 

she has, but she's another really good one. She's a big program for people to look out for. They really explain things in a very  A way for I think she breaks it down. Yes. Us non lawyers do not understand. So, but yeah, I mean, not.

That is the, you know, five hours later, that is the gist of the lawsuit, and I think, really, whatever feelings everyone is feeling right now, I get, but ultimately, like, it's now in the court, and Sandoval and Arianna are gonna have to prove their case, and Arianna's gonna have to, or, And Rachel's going to have to approve her case.

Like that's just what it comes down to. So we shall see if this is not the end of Vanderpump rules though. I don't think it sure seems that way. 

Oh my God. Yeah. Well, I want to talk about that.   Okay. So that, like you said, that's the complaint now, as far as this week's episode, like we said, we're not going to recap it play by play.

Cause I feel like we gave you guys a lot of information just now to sit with. So instead, we asked you guys to give us some questions about anything you wanted to ask us for VPR related. And so, Lindsay, why don't you read us some of those questions and that'll probably get us into the episode.

Yeah, I think there were three overall main themes of this episode, being the Graham situation, Sheena and Brock, and then the Tahoe trip. Yeah. So someone asked me, and I'm sorry, I'm just going to say someone, I didn't ask anyone if I could say their name, so I'm just going to say someone asked, so someone asked, do you think the Graham scenes were reshot?

So on our last recap, I did say that I thought that the Lisa and James scene of Graham being reunited seem iffy to me. I'm not gonna lie. That scene does still seem iffy to me. However, as I mentioned in my Instagram story and on the podcast last night, last week, I very much was aware that potentially, and what did we see, that Graham was brought to Tahoe and he was a surprise for the group.

Now, do I still think it's weird that you have a dog who has been through it, that y'all have said, that has had behavioral issues, you then take that dog on a private jet. And bring it to Tahoe just to surprise the group, which by the way, that scene was lackluster because everyone just seemed to be on edge.

Like they felt uneasy about it. It wasn't the way that Sheena described that moment in the Amazon live. Like everyone was so excited, but I didn't get that from people. I got more. So people were like, what the fuck is happening? 

Yeah. Everyone seemed very confused, very timid. Sheena, love you, girl, but you look like you've seen that dog do some shit before, okay, and that you wanted no part in it.

Like, LaLa too she ended up going up to the dog, but I think she said something like, Don't kill me, you know, something like that they were afraid of the dog, and  I don't feel like I'm using my, letting my bias take me over there. I watched it twice, I was like, There's something weird about the energy here.

So, yeah, I agree. Well, as 

far as it being a reshoot, and I haven't said this, James emotions to me, I don't think he's that good of an actor, so I don't know, but maybe the part, again, like Lisa telling the story of how Graham came and didn't mention Rachel at all, I don't know if that was a reshoot, again, the scene seemed odd to me, however, with the storyline that season 11 is presenting, And maybe it wasn't a reshoot.

I, I don't know. It still seemed weird to me, but here we are. 

And let's, let's just be specific so that people know what's up. Like, we know that sometimes on reality television, on these shows, they do have. They have to quote unquote, reshoot scenes like sometimes audio gets messed up. There are moments that they have to repeat a line or maybe even repeat a whole part of a dialogue.

Maybe they have to stage a conversation that was going to happen elsewhere, but now it has to happen here for filming reasons like things like that happen all the time. And I accept that what we're talking about with James, that is like a completely recrafting of a narrative to. Make someone look better and that is what is sketchy.

And that is the vibe that I think we both got from the Graham stuff. Am I right? Yeah, 

a hundred percent. All right. What's the next question? And then I'll just go over this one really quickly. Cause someone said, can you please, before we get into the Sheena and Brock of it all, can you please make the Rachel and Tom timeline match up from last summer?

So to go over the timeline and I love a good timeline. The reunion was filmed March 23rd. Rachel went into the facility in April. Sandoval left to film Special Forces around June 20th. Filming starts June 28th. Rachel gets out of the facility July 3rd. Sandoval previously said before this, he had, they had, the last communication they had, right, was when he left to do Special Forces.

So that was, Mid June. Sandoval's birthday is July 7th. Tahoe, I believe the trip. So James posted a Tahoe group photo with the girls Wednesday, July 19th. And then Thursday, July 20th was with Graham. This is a very short trip because this, that weekend, Sheena was already home. Because she posted on her, she talked about on her Amazon live, they wanted to get away from their getaway.

And that was the weekend that summer moon broke her arm. So that Tahoe trip was only a couple of days by that weekend, they were already back in LA. And then  she ended up did that Amazon live. The July 24th. So as far as like the timeline of Rachel and Sandoval, they very much were in communication from March to around mid June.

And then that is when it stopped. He did Special Forces. She got out July 3rd, but has not spoken to him since. So that's kind of the timeline of, of all that. And then someone asked, why won't Sheena allow Brock to get a nanny? She is going to destroy her relationship over this. Well, so we very much see in this.

Episode of Sheena struggling there's Brock and her seem to be struggling with their communication and I gotta be real real as a parent and as someone who I think struggles very similarly in the way that Sheena does. I, I fully get this. Yeah, I have two people in my life that I trust with my son that he is able to spend the night.

Over there and I feel and it even took me a little bit. It's my mom and my husband's dad Yeah, so grandpa even with that. I am very much I get, I get worried. I get worried. He's going to get off his little routine that we have. Like, I get worried about that. I've been able to let go some control. I can't even picture.

I'm not going to like, like having a nanny in my house. Like I would just want to do everything. So, I think it, but I understand too where Brock is coming from as far as it sounds like he, it sounds like him and Ashina's mom do not get along at all. So. I think he's struggling and wants them to be able to do more stuff like I, I'm guessing he's very thankful to have Sheena's mom, but also I think she sees he sees some trouble with that.

And so I think that Sheena and Brock are just navigating this and I think it's weird as an audience because we have never really got good have seen this between Sheena and Brock because if you think about it. Brock, the very first season he was on, it was just like, here he is. But then all this stuff, as far as his past came up, and then he pretty much was barely seen, right?

Season, season 10. And, and so we're now seeing more of their relationship. And so I think it's very easy for someone just to say like, Oh, Sheena, just get a nanny. But it is more complicated with that, especially if someone who does struggle with intrusive thoughts. 

Yeah. 

It is a little deeper than that and I think her and Brock are just trying to figure that out.

Well, you're, I'm a little more straightforward with those things to me. I'm like, , why are we putting that on Sheena too? Like, let's, you know, She's going to ruin the relationship over this. How about Brock's going to ruin the relationship if he continues to not understand her, to not understand.

And I just, there's something about the, you know, summer's only a couple of years old. It's not like this is something that they've been going on seven, eight, nine years, the first few years that you have a kid. You shouldn't be expecting, in my opinion, to be, like, having all of this intimate time. Like, it's nice if you can, you have to really try to do that.

I know that you have to intentionally plan to have those moments with your partner, uh, to go on date nights, to have time to socialize. Like, it's a lot to balance. But I don't, I think the reality for most couples is that, that's. Probably isn't going to happen for the first few years, right? Cause the kids like terrible twos and stuff like that.

I don't know. 

But then, but they have someone to watch summer, which is her mom, which not everyone has. So then the main issue is that Brock doesn't want it to be Gina's mom. Yeah. Which I, I 

truly do empathize with him on that because , I don't have extended family really. I have some cousins that I care about my dad's side.

But other than that, I really don't have extended family. So I don't know what like an in law situation would be like, but I know some of my friends, families, if. They were like taking care of my baby. I would have, I would not be able to deal with them every single day in my house. So I, I just think that  empathize with Brock, but his approach is so unnecessary.

Like, why are you yelling in a bikini? He was yelling in the bikini store. Like stop, stop. She was right. Don't, I don't want to yell in front of people. I don't know. And she doesn't want to do it on camera. And I think that that was really telling of, you know, kind of. The fatal flaw of Ms. Sheena Shea is just, she doesn't, she wants to curate an image of their relationship for the camera and everything else needs to be dealt with behind closed doors, and I think that Ariana and Sandoval to an extent kind of followed that line of thinking as well.

Yeah, and then 

The next one, someone asked, would you be okay if this was the last season? I mean, I honestly, yes, but I would love if they did a season 12, it would be like I talked about last week, a wrap up kind of thing that they should have did this week. But I guess going into that, that question, as far as the overall theme of this episode with the Lake Tahoe, the Lake Tahoe of it all, and again, the reason why I think I would be okay with this being the last season is this is the first season where I'm like, oh, wow this group really Is not only broken, but we don't really have, the show's magic in this first few seasons was this was a real group of friends.

And even before the scandal, if we think about it, a lot of them were not, were basically only hanging out during the show, right? I never really thought of it that way until recently, but like reflecting on it, I'm like, oh wow, it really has been this for a minute. This season is so evident of it though, is because no one, no one seems to get along.

The only people that seem to get along are Katie and Ariana together, Mama and Sheena together, and Schwartz and Sandoval together, right? And so. When you have this Tahoe trip, that is very much a way to try to get these people to interact. It just feels just so weird because you mentioned to this, me, we were talking about the episode before.

Yeah. You know, it's not, if I was in a situation with someone where I had, I didn't like them, but I had to be in a situation with them, I'm not going to just like come at them. I'm going to try to be civil at first, which I think is what we're seeing now in this episodes. We do see moments of Brock, bringing out we need to talk about this and Sandoval being like, can't we just be chill and have fun?

And and I get that because Here's the thing Sandoval, things do need to be addressed, and it's just so funny because Sandoval is the one that thinks that he deserves an apology, right? Whereas everyone else is like, where's my apology? And so, it just, again, this season is just weird because so many things are being forced.

And they are, and I can't necessarily blame production on that because they are trying to make a season, but they just, I don't, again, I don't think they had to do it in this way. 

Well, I was saying to you that I think that the viewers are really not, you know, for as much as some people like to project, they're not actually putting themselves in these people's shoes and the initial reaction to this Tahoe trip, as it came out in pictures and posts on everyone's.

Social media was how can so and so be around Sandoval? How can they stand by him? How can they take a picture with him? And then of course that same kind of rhetoric came up when it was like Sheena said hi and then Sandoval for some reason unbeknownst to me had a whole emotional took that as Sandoval.

Come live with me, honey. I forgive you for everything like she didn't say all that honey. She said hi and Sandoval got very emotional about it. But I think that maybe that's him manipulating the audience. Like, look, she loves me. See everybody like they're with me. So you guys should be cool with me too. I think that there's an element of that as well.

Well, we kind of saw that a little bit when he was like, Hey, Brock, take a selfie. The selfie. So there were definitely moments. Now I will say. It is because I really tried to go into this episode being like, let's not think about what's happening in real time and all the bullshit and so that scene where Sandoval Is like, there actually was a real tear when he was talking about this moment of them saying hi to him, which is funny because then the after show, Sheena and Lala were like, we literally just said, Hey, like they didn't, they actually, like, it was not a big deal to them where it's in a bowl.

Now I'm in everything. Yeah, yeah, no. Some people pointed out like he did during that part, made sure to take his sunglasses off and like, we could see the tear. So it's hard because I, I hate to think that. Everything a person does is malicious or manipulative and things like that. So I think that very much could be real because even as a, I do think Sandoval liked, I think he felt in this group that people did like him and looked up to him and like he, again, I think he also very much used this group for him to, to do things for them so that he.

Could use that against them. And so I think that's what he misses that being. And I know that sounds bad, but I do think he misses that. And I think that's very evident when he keeps talking about how everyone else betrayed him and did all this stuff on their podcast. Because I truly believe if this was someone else in the group, Sandoval would not have done that shit because he would, he would have used that against them, right?

Anytime any of them came for him. I remember when this happened to you. And I didn't, and I didn't say anything. So it's not this whole I'm well with me. I'm so better than everyone. I wouldn't do this. I feel like there's stuff behind that. But again, just watching him. I'm like, I want to believe that. You are genuinely, like, genuinely sad about this, but I just don't know if the reasons behind it is what you're portraying.

I think that there might be some genuine, , oh, I might, there actually might be a future for me on this show. Like, I don't think that he mourns Sheena's friendship the way that he purports himself to. I don't think, I don't. I definitely don't think he gives a shit about James. I just think that he knows James is gonna crack and I think that he has shit on James.

I think that he has a lot on James that, uh, James, James knows that. So I think James will, will know when to check himself. 

And I know people love to say Shayna's the first one to crack, but when it comes to James, he, he wants male validation so bad. We have seen that so much on that show. So he will, he will be like, if again, we see Sandoval apologize to him.

So James will very much be like, you know, he wants to be back in the bro group. 

But remember in like season, was it six or maybe five Stassi and I don't think it was Lala, but maybe it was Stassi and Kristen or Stassi and Katie, somebody, they like buttered James up and they got him out to a restaurant to like get information from him.

And he build and he does this. He breaks over 

anyone. He wants that. Yeah. That's such a good point. I 

mean, he has mommy and daddy issues to be fair to him. 

Yeah. He definitely wants to fit in. And I think that goes back to his childhood because I know he said he was like severely bullied. So I think he, 

Oh, yeah.

God, I forgot about that. It's really disturbing. 

Yeah, I know. Like, that's the thing with James. Like, obviously, I think some fucked up shit has happened to him. Didn't they break 

his arm or something horrific? 

However, you kind of have to, you have choices in life. You either become that person or you learn, you know what I mean?

You don't want to be that way. And I think James is leaning toward the He's repeating 

patterns rather than trying to correct them exactly. I agree with you.  Anything else from this episode that you wanted to know? We talked about Brock and Sheena in the store. I can't get over it. I guess.  Uh, Oh, Tori, we don't really know what's going to happen with her because now she's a nanny for another family.

So I don't know when she's going to pop back up, but at least she's been introduced. Yeah. After show. Did you watch the after show? 

I did. I don't really remember a lot of it. I don't, I don't think this after show stood out quite to me as much as the other ones. I'll tell you. 

I did watch it and the one thing that stood out to me was something about the thing that we've been kind of talking about the past few episodes the tension between the groups that are filming the little pockets something about Katie and Ariana's energy this one and I told you this rubbed me the wrong way I don't know what it was I don't know why it was I did this one wasn't even like Sheena and Ariana weren't like even No, they were fine.

In this one, they were fine. Or supposedly fine, but something about Katie and Ariana is like, something about Katie being like, I had to like, brush my hair. It's like guys. We get it. You didn't want to go on the Tahoe trip because Sandoval was there and That's fine. No one is like mad at you guys for going on the up for not going everyone gets it I don't know.

I just didn't like their vibes. 

I wonder if I stood out to you more so too because While they were saying that, Lala, Sheena, and James were very much like, Yeah, we totally get why they didn't come. Yeah, maybe that's why, yeah. They very much were like, supporting that, which we have, to be fair, another opposite, after shows, it's not been that case.

It's been them against each other. So here, we're seeing, Lala, and specifically Lala, I remember being like, yeah, if I was them, I would not go either. Like, that's, I, I totally support that. Yeah. And then we see Ariana and Katy being more sarcastic or like, no, I had this to do. You mean? Like, we, I, maybe that, there's just like a difference with that.

So that maybe that turned you off a little bit. So I do see what you mean by that. But. Yeah, other than that, I don't really remember much from the after show. I think, again, Tom talked about them saying hi to him, and again, Lala and Sheena were like, we literally just said hey. And so, that, that kind of stood out to me.

But, yeah, no, next week's episode will be interesting, because I believe Lala goes off on Sandoval, so we'll see that. Yeah. And then, I don't really know what, like, we'll have a little bit more of Tahoe, and then You know, obviously I think Sheena and Sandoval have a moment in Tahoe.  But I just, I also need people to remember because Sheena recently said this on a podcast, like, Sheena and Sandoval are not close.

Even currently, I think a lot of it does have to deal with Sheena forgiving people for herself. And I think a lot of people do that. It just is so interesting that I'm just curious the conversations we see more with Ariana because obviously I see with Ariana, there's some major trust issues going on and it seems like Ariana and Sheena are not able to communicate in the ways that they need to.

Yeah. Yeah. Because. Again, Sheena frames things in such a way of, But is it worth losing Ariana? Or, I can't keep hating him for you. What is that? Like, what? Oh, I think also, did you see the preview for the next episode? 

No, I didn't watch it. 

Yeah, I didn't watch it either, but I did like, I know we're going to get more context.

Do you want to know anything about it? Yeah, 

no, tell me, tell me, go for it. 

I didn't watch it because I've actually trying to be going into the episodes more blind, but there's something about Sheena bringing up that Sandoval gave her money during the pandemic because she was really struggling. So we're gonna see some of that.

So that's a part of why she's been struggling. I would 

say I that thing about Sandoval, again, I've said it before you just said it. I feel like he does that shit. So that he can use it against you. I know that's very like harsh, but like, I feel like he does nice things, like especially money because money is the easiest love language to speak.

It really is. It requires no effort and it can have a dramatic influence over a person's life. Like when I'm telling you, like when I'm in a bad money place, which I seem to be in sometimes when someone gives me like, uh, 20, 30 bucks. I am I'm so grateful and so to imagine the amount of money that he, he gives out 45 K or whatever the hell for the Richella, the money that he doled out for the restaurant, the month they paid their employees, Tom, Tom did throughout the whole pandemic.

Like, I think that he speaks in money, which is okay, but you also have to have the emotional intelligence to understand that when you're. Gifting people in this way. It is a gift and choice that you are making out of the kindness of your heart, not a choice that you're making so that you can get some sort of clout from it or favor from it later on.

And that's why I think he does. I know people that are like that. And it makes me uncomfortable. And I, I have, I am not one does not accept money, but there are people that I have had to be like, no I'm good. I'm good on that. You know? 

Yeah, exactly. You can't. You can't give stuff to people and hold it over their head.

Like, if you're just like that, you just, that's not something that I partake in. And it very much seems like he does that a lot. 

 Hard to agree. Oh, well, Lindsay, what a week. I'm tired. I'm tired too, girl. I'm sorry to keep you this long, but we had to do it. No. Yeah. Listen. We have lots to talk about. We're gonna be on the lookout, hopefully.

So, Rachel did go rogue this week, but we didn't, she didn't. It wasn't, it wasn't an episode that we're gonna drag ourselves out for much more. But we are still enjoying the podcast. I'm hoping she comes out with an episode, you know, this week. And, and kind of talks about some of this. If she does we'll be there.

We'll cover it. Hey. Yeah. Depending on the subject matter, I, I would be down for an emergency episode, depending on what she gets into, but not something we need to think about tonight. Uh, Lindsay, let everyone know where they can find you. 

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