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  Hello. Hello. Hello. God damn. God damn. This is who the fuck knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose back again for yet another episode, another two episodes of Vanderpump rules and the valley, which we will touch on a little bit. I have my dear friend and co host Lindsey here with me. And Vanderpump recaps.

Hey, Lindsey, how are you doing? Hello, I'm doing well. Emily and I were just talking, but literally in almost a week from like on Saturday, it'll be a week where we will from a week from then we will be in LA. We will be in LA. It's crazy. It's really crazy. We talk about it. I think every week, but the way that everything just lined up and we just made it happen and it's happening.

It's all happening as yes, my dear friend, Sheena Shea would say, um, it is it's all happening and I'm so excited. Oh, and I guess  I can, I won't say like exact times or anything, but if you guys are listening and you're in the LA area, you can know a little bit about what we're doing. For example, obviously we're going to be at the PAC theater, which is the Blackwater theater for Rob and Molly special interest show.

I will be a panelist. Talking about the episode where, uh, sex lies and audio tape of season six, where Brittany finds the, or listens to the audio of faith after she post coitus with Jax. And, uh, if you want to hear how I feel about that, listen to last week's episode at the end, I did a, uh, Really fun little interpretation of that.

So listen to that. And then, so Sunday Easter is actually my birthday. So, uh, if you're, if you don't have plans for Easter, if you're not an Easter girly, uh, we'll, I know we'll be going to Sir at some point, probably more in the morning will be, I would like to go to  Tom in the evening and we don't have, that's not set in stone  Tom, but I think that's kind of what I'm feeling.

Um, Monday, I believe we'll be probably in  Hermosa beach. And then Tuesday, I believe we're going to try to go to Schwartz and Sandy. So that's a rough itinerary, very loose, obviously. And I don't want to dox us. So, you know, but if you're listening and you're in the area or you want to meet up, hit me up, hit Lindsay up, we'll figure something out.

We're going to have, we're going to be in Korea town. So we're kind of. Decently centrally located to a lot of places. Yeah. Um, and I don't know. I'm just so excited. Lindsay, are you excited? Are you nervous? How are you feeling? I feel all those things. I feel excited. I feel nervous. I it, we've, the way that we talked about this and it seems so far away and now it's literally going to be not this weekend, but next weekend.

Yeah. It is insane to me. It's insane. But I'm super excited. I think once I actually land in LA, it will feel real to me. Um, but yeah, I mean, I'm excited. I'm not looking forward to my, me having to be at the airport so freaking early, but I rather, I like morning flights, but just getting there. And I will say Indianapolis, I think we have  one of the best airports.

So I actually like going to our airport, but, um, yeah, I'm just, uh, I'm so excited to actually be there. And I'm sure the weather is going to be so much nicer than it is here. It is so cold right now. It's insane. So yes, bring on the sunshiny weather. I'm so excited to visit all the Vanderbilt places. It's just, it's going to be a really good time.

Let me ask you a potentially difficult question. If we were so we know that we will be in the same vicinity as Peter magical because he too will be on Rob's show. So that's exciting. But other than Peter, because we'll be in the mix a little bit, you know, kind of these days are kind of hot spots for. The cast to maybe be out and about, who do you think you would be the most uncomfortable running into?

And who do you think if you could choose anyone, you would be the most curious about meeting? Ooh, that's such a good question. So who I would feel nervous seeing, I think I would just have an automatic gut reaction to seeing Sandoval or Jax. I think their presence is just, specifically Jax, it seems chaotic.

And I just, I feel like I'm actually still surprised I haven't been blocked by Jax. Hashtag. Hashtag bug by Jax. But I just feel like if he had any whiff of any thoughts I've had on their podcast he would  come at me. Um, so that I think would be my initial gut reaction to them. Someone I would be curious about.

Honestly, any of the girls, if I were to see Sheena or Lala or Katie, because I feel like I always hear different things about them in the world. Yeah. And so  I really, you know, it's interesting because sometimes I'm like, I think I would get along with all of them. But then the way that Lala has been this week, I'm like, I don't know if I would get along with her person.

And so I, so, but I, and  I've heard Sheena is interesting. I've heard, um, actually meeting her. I've heard she's the sweetest. I've also heard people say she seems kind of standoffish and cold, but I think with anybody, You, me, it could all just be different, but even just, it'd be curious, even if we didn't meet any of them, just see if we just happened to see them somewhere.

Yeah, I just think that'd be interesting to see how the girls interact. I think, so  I hear the same things about the girls too. I hear Lala is pretty much extremely standoffish and kind of cold, no matter what. Setting whatever context I've noticed that I see that people that when she knows at an event where fans are like if she's at a Vanderpump rules event, I, it seems like she gets a lot of positive feedback and people really enjoy meeting her.

I feel like where I see people say what you were saying, which I've definitely seen is like when she's caught off guard. Okay. And I, which is, you know, whereas with Ariana, it's been like any circumstance you meet Ariana and is always the best circumstance from what I've heard. She's just like a fabulous person to be around, which you met her.

So you know, yeah. Her, I, it is so, it's interesting to me cause her energy is so. It's so bright and nice, and I don't think we always see that on the show, and so it's just interesting to me, and then we'll get into it with like, how Lala talks on her podcast, but it's, I don't know, to me, there, yeah, when you actually meet Ariana, she's, first of all, cute as a button.

And she's just super sweet. Now, granted, I met her like in a fan setting, right? I was there for her show. I did the meet and greet, but I just feel like she would be that anywhere. Sheena, it doesn't really surprise me. Understanding more of her anxiety and  her control issues, her being in a setting where it's not set up and someone coming up to her, And maybe her feeling out of control.

That makes sense to me. If she sometimes comes off a little standoffice. Yeah. Um, so yeah, but that I definitely, and then Katie, I don't really know if I've heard anything about Katie exists, dude. I think she's AI dude. I think she's a hologram. Oh my God. I cannot think of any. I've never heard any story. If you're listening to the podcast and you have interacted with miss Katie Maloney, please tell us.

Cause I don't think I've heard. Any fan stories. I was thinking about that earlier today and I meant to search the sub, but I forgot because I was going to ask you this question. And I was like, I've never heard anything about Katie. Does she like disappear when it's time to meet fans? I mean, I've seen people like maybe take a picture or two, but it's not very often, but even at Bravo con  I don't remember.

I don't remember any stories about Katie. I've heard all about all the guys. Yeah, all the girls, but I cannot think I have no opinion on whether I've heard Katie be nice or not nice to fans because I have not heard any of it I've been heard of I've even heard about Stassi's interactions, but I have not heard about Katie.

Yeah, just run away I think so. She disappears. She turns on her heel and glitches  yeah I want to I'm gonna answer the question and cheat a little bit because I have two for You The most nervous because they would make me the most nervous. I think, uh, well, okay. So we have to take Sheena out of the equation for my answer because meeting Sheena is fathomless to me, like I can't even fucking fathom it.

Like I really can't, I don't, if I saw her, I think I might pass out. I don't know. I think it's very similar to  if I were to like see a Kardashian  like I really fucking love the Kardashians and I really fucking love Sheena. So I think that would really like, I don't have a word for it. So I can't put her in this nervous.

I would say I would be very nervous to be around James Kennedy and I'd be very nervous to be around Saucy Schroeder. The way James Kennedy didn't even  pass my mind because I like there in no world can I, I can't I, but  I'm worried too, because I feel like he's someone that would be on the spectrum of more likely to be out and see for sure.

So I'm like, Oh God, that would make me so uncomfortable, but then curious. I'm actually kind of, I wouldn't want to. Let me be clear, speak to them, but I would be very curious to see how Jack's. Acts in public and but then I feel like he's the kind of person who would like if he saw someone seeing him and not giving him attention that he would  bring attention to that in like a negative way.

So    I wouldn't really be able to observe him the way that I would like. Uh, he's not a test subject. I just find him scary and fascinating. So I guess I'm kind of nervous and curious for him too. And I've already met Tom Schwartz. Um, he certainly won't remember me, but it was, uh, but he was  very nice, very kind.

And, uh, Just a regular dude, very handsome, but a very regular guy. Um  I've only heard that about Tom Shorts. I've only heard positive interactions with him. I was wondering that too, I was like, has anyone, you know what else I was thinking about, just a side note, you know how we've heard. Not just about  T and the girl that Sandoval is dating now, but over the months in the fall out of Sandoval, we had stories come out about  Oh, well, Sandoval went home with my friend, or he slept on the couch of blah, blah, blah.

You know, we've got those kinds of stories about him. We don't get that about Schwartz. Does Schwartz not, he must really not be fucking. The girls that he meets out and about, or he's  very good about it. Cause I've never heard anyone say  Oh, I went home with shorts and we had a hookup. Like I've never heard anything like that.

You know, there was a weird story that someone commented on Instagram. I can't remember. I think it was, um, what Instagram was it by wig? Hello drama. I think it was that one. It was someone in the comments saying how they were at Schwartz and Sandy's and, uh, Schwartz was with a girl but then another girl came and then the other girl got upset and there was like drama there and the one girl came out like crying and screaming but then another person commented and was like, Yeah, I was there that happened, but then people tried to ask that follow up questions and they never answered and so I just thought that was interesting and but nothing ever came of that.

What was interesting though is I remember they put the age of the person and that age Is the age that someone that he's dating now, right. So, yeah, I actually, was it like they were like 20 year olds, there's a bunch of 20 year olds. I remember that. I remember that comment. Come to think of it. But there's, but there was, that's all alleged.

There was no substantial evidence with that and the person didn't elaborate on anything else. But honestly, besides that comment, I don't think I really have seen. Anything I'm gonna be like shorts is interesting because even when we're watching the show, even the stuff with Joe, I didn't realize him and Joe last year were like this.

Yeah. You're a mean, so it's interesting. You just don't, you don't hear a lot about shorts when it comes to women or, but again, with fan interactions, I've heard nothing, but he's so sweet. He takes the time to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah. He finds out. You're a Bravo account or some Bravo relate like related content.

He's super nice about it So which is funny because I talk a lot in shorts I just I don't know.  I have empathy for him, but man, he bothers me sometimes But I do feel like if I met him in person, I would like him Yeah, and I who did I say this to one day? I was like, I'm gonna be fake as fuck to Anybody that I meet, so  I'll, well, yeah, I'm not going to start anything with them, you know, even if I met Sandoval, I would say hi and just, I just think, I feel like with him, with James, with Stassi, I would stay away from them because I don't want I don't, I can't imagine having an interaction with Sandoval.

It seems so bizarre. Well, we've seen it. In the end of the show, when he tries to talk to people. Look, if you talk to me about pushing chips under Ariana's door If you're like sprinkling  powdered sugar down her chimney or whatever the fuck you're doing, I don't want to hear about it. No, let's be real.

In this version that I'm seeing, which would never happen, it would have to be Sandoval saying hi to me. I would do a hi, and then I would, as he likes to say, I would run away.  Yeah. But I would not, I wouldn't steal the money. But I would, yes, but I wouldn't run away. Yeah, so I think, yeah  I would be interested to maybe say, I would maybe.

Say hi to Kristen. I would like to meet her. Yeah, I would because I like her I'm Jamie who isn't a cast member, but I would love to meet her. Oh yeah. Um, Israel, I really want to meet. I've been going, I've been going up for Israel for no reason because I don't know anything about him except I just love his Instagram.

So it's really well. And it's interesting because I feel like, well, I remember Lala in particular, but I feel like I've heard other people in the Bravo years referred to him as, which we've talked about before as someone who's thirsty, which I think is so funny. Cause again, And , the way this cast is right, y'all thirsty, but his presence on Instagram, he seems very kind.

I would like to meet him. Well, what's happening. I remember exactly where I was. I remember it was the month of April. I remember it was right after I got Sheena, the cat, and, uh, I have to differentiate in case people think I'm I've  kidnapped the person. Um, I was sitting on Reddit in my mom's house and people were talking about how the thread went like this.

Here's a picture of Israel's, uh, stories. Cause he was talking about how he feels like he lost a friend on his stories and at the time he didn't have nearly the following that he does now. I was calling him because I saw him in a background shot at Schwartz and Sandys, found him through the Instagram of Schwartz and Sandys.

Followed him that way. So that's why I was already following him. Well, somebody else must've followed him and posted his screenshots. And it went like, who the fuck is this person? Just another thirsty person trying to get in on the scandal off drain. Yeah, they're all thirsty, blah, blah, blah. So actually no one knew who the fuck he was or what his place was in the group.

They just started calling him thirsty or that I don't know what their pronouns are. And then, um, That's how that whole that person's thirst I was I was there in real time. I was like and I remember I was like posting like I was talking about, I think it was Vanessa, maybe a best week ever. People don't know anything about this person.

It's so weird that they're like, they're thirsty. I think this per I followed them for a minute. They were legit besties with Raquel. So yeah, you know, that's probably why they're upset, but go off, read it, you know? Oh man. Oh, speaking of which. I am loving all about are all about the pasta. I am not the best moderator, but I'm having the best time.

So if you guys are interested in switching it up and I'm not like poaching people from the other ones, I don't even talk about Vanderpumpaholics. Cause that one can, that one can go either way. It can be very agreeable. It can be very disagreeable. It can be very chaotic. Um, so. And there's a couple more in, and  I love the Bravo real housewives sub and those conversations tend to line up more with like how I feel, um, but the Vanderpump rules one, I think too, I've noticed tends to be a lot of it is like new viewers and people that are just now watching the show just got into it this year.

And you know, it's hard to engage in those conversations if you've been a longtime fan or if you've watched since the beginning. So I think that's kind of where. All about the pasta thrives and we've got a cute little community and  I'm having fun with it. So if you guys are interested in it, come on over, check us out.

Um, all right, Lindsay, let's get, unless you have anything else, any other questions or concerns or any other thoughts about LA? No. Let's get into this week in Bravo, in the Vander, Vanderverse, uh, we were talking about how there weren't the podcast themselves weren't necessarily juicy, but they all kind of did like offshoot interviews that were kind of interesting.

So why don't we talk about that a little bit? Yeah, well, the big thing since we've talked last was they filmed the reunion last Saturday. Oh, my God. We've all been trying to get little tidbits right on what went down and the big rumor that came out from Bravo and cocktails, which everyone take that with a grain of salt.

They were an account that we're really hitting hard that Rachel was pregnant. Yeah, listen, Bravo and cocktails when it came to Beverly, when they started their account and it came to Beverly Hills, they were on point and then they kind of started to drift away and then they started their podcast. And I like the women who host the show and I think their show is well done.

Um, but recently too, they've kind of veered away from Bravo altogether. Like they've got a lot of. Kate Middleton, Travis and Taylor and like that kind of stuff. And I don't need that from them. I want Bravo content. They also, I think that the girls are from Jersey that run it. And so they have a lot of Jersey tea.

And when Jersey was airing, they had a lot of that. And so I kind of tuned out. Uh, and then of course, like you were saying, sorry to interrupt Raquel pregnant. They were really.  Over and over saying that sometimes I wonder if  she did have  a scare or something like that. And she told someone and someone leaked that, but she was never like, they were saying like she was like, gonna pop out at the reunion with the baby, you know?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So again, Take this with a grain of salt, but the big rumor that came out from their site was that Ariana went hella off on  la friendship ruined. And so we've all been trying to figure out. Okay. So what went down? So, as you mentioned, not a lot in the podcast world. There's a little bit, but Katie, for example, went on, she did some kind of interview while she was in New York, and she talked about, you know, the reunion.

There was lots of tears, emotional, um, and then she went on mention it all  that was a podcast. And she talked about. Yeah. She talked about how, um, you know, with the reunion, she said it went not well, bitch, it was exhausting. She was not happy. She got mad at times. And so, but she didn't really say anything necessarily about Lala Ariana.

Well, then Lala, the big thing she had on addressed it. She did a interview on the talk yesterday and they asked her, you know, We heard that Ariana had words for you, so are y'all still friends? And she goes, I think the exact tweet was Ariana eviscerated Lala at the reunion, and it was friendship ruining.

Only one of those things is true. I'll let you decide. So, now I said, Lala's not gonna admit ever that someone put her in her place. So to me, I was thinking, oh shit  is this friendship ruining? Now, it is hard because around this time, specifically after the filming, the reunion, the cast does try to get people hyped for it, right?

 Yes. So, it is hard to know, but then, You know, miss Lala kit, she's been on her podcast. She's been on Amazon live baby. And on her podcast, she just, she talked about how  you know, after the reunion, it was so intense, but she finally felt like she got to say what she really wanted to say. And she just felt so good.

It felt like she just took a big shit and just felt that relief. Those are Lala. No one ever keeps you from saying what you want to say. You say. I know so much all the time, Lala. I'm sorry. It just, that was so funny when I was reading that recap, I was like, yo girl, I know it's like you're acting, she's acting like she's been.

Has had duct tape over her mouth for yeah, and now she's been able to finally talk. So it just it's, I don't know. It's weird, but she, again, just the way that she was taught. Oh, and then in that podcast, I didn't really like it because she started talking about Sheena and Ariana. Now, granted, she made some good points as far as she wishes Sheena would just do what she wants to do.

And I agree. Yeah. Stop trying to cater to people. I agree with that because I think that's why we're getting this weirdness with Sheena and Ariana this season. Yeah. But then Lala tried to, then she was saying how, you know, Just let people know, if you meet Sheena, you would pick her. She smiles, she's fine.

And it was giving when Lala was calling Ariana a wet blanket, but whatever that was. So I was like, okay. And then, so again, Lala on the podcast and then on her Amazon live, someone asked if her and Ariana are friends and she. Dodge the question. She didn't answer and which that's very Lala again. She's trying to get people hyped, but she specifically talked about it on the talk.

So I just, I do think something went down with them. Now what's interesting is Lisa came out and said that at the end of the, they all describing how the reunion was kind of going pretty well. There was some heated moments, but then at the end. Something big happened to me, Lala and Ariana fighting is not necessarily this huge thing.

And the way Lisa had said, like something happened at the end and they all were crying and I'm like, I'm sorry, but no, one's going to cry over Lala and Ariana fighting. Right. No, I think my, here's my theory. And then  I'll just say, I want to know your thoughts. I think either. Lala said she is quitting the show.

Ariana said she's quitting the show. Or I also thought this, that maybe there, maybe they announced that, you know, this was the last season of VPR and they all found that out. You know what I mean? Like at the reunion, I don't know, but I think something more happened than just their fight. But what do you think of all of this?

Well, now let me ask, did. Was this speculation or did somebody say that something happened that was fourth wall breaking? That was Lala. She did say that. Okay. So she did say it was fourth wall breaking. Okay. So I think that, first of all, before we get into the recap, I want to be, I just want to keep perspective always.

I have never, ever agreed with or defended Lala Kent on a season of EPR more than I have this year. And I will continue mostly to do that, I think, in this episode as well. But when it comes to her behavior, when it comes to how she runs her mouth, when it comes to how she talks, and she goes, she says things and she goes back, and she says things and she goes back, she does it all day long, she's very, I've said it a few times, unhinged  and dysregulated in some ways.

 What, I just don't, I just can't believe what she's talking about because she will say stuff out of Anger, jealousy, or fear or excitement. And then it's not something she's allowed to say. And because she's so charismatic and convincing, she'll come back and be like, Oh she'll gaslight the fuck out of somebody.

She's very clever that way.  And I just think that she doesn't do it maybe on purpose, but because she doesn't know how to watch her mouth. She gets herself in situations where she's constantly having to backtrack. She's hypocritical. She's flip flopping as people love to say about Sheena. So all of that said, what do I think happened?

I feel like I, I didn't even think about the quitting, anybody quitting or the season ending stuff until you said it. And I read you talking about it on Reddit. So just to be different, because I think that's a really good theory, uh, to just to be different, Maybe something was said about  the true nature of Tom and Ariana's relationship or like something like rather than something that would be effective affecting the whole cast like.

Career ending literally in the career of being on Vanderpump rules, uh, more so  Oh bitch, you know, you, I don't know, maybe Ariana said something about Lala or Lala said something about Tom or somebody, you know, Lala said something about the reality of their relationship. Um, that like they weren't happy or something like something like that.

I also wonder if, I mean, I don't know  the cast right now, something else I was reading. I think what Katie said, maybe I think the friendships are all little. I think they're all, I think they've all kind of bit the dust, to be honest, except for  for sure, Sheena and Lala are good. Right. But I honestly don't, I don't even know where Katie and Ariana stand right now.

I don't know where, because then it comes out in the after show and it was confirmed somewhere. I think maybe on Juicy Scoop, God forbid, but I think that like they talk about how Katie didn't know. Now, I don't know if this is true. I'm taking that with a grain of salt too, because this could just be like, To make ariana look bad, but that katie didn't even know about ariana moving to new york for chicago in the midst of something about her Yeah, and I don't know like I can see why the way that ariana moves with Sheena I'm like, well, maybe she also wouldn't tell Katie  I don't know  she certainly has more stake in her relationship with Sheena than she does Katie, um, other than, you know, the business.

Uh, so I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be something as big as  I don't think that they're going to announce that this will be the last season. I don't think that they would do that at the reunion, though. Well, Katie did take out. Hashtag pump rule is out of her bio. So that was in her bio.

That's what, so when I was reading the comments on Reddit, it did appear to me that they, I, that it was. Um, but again, that is a tool that housewives use all the time to drum up curiosity about the show. Yeah. It's literally used as like a metric to figure out like, Oh, are people going to give a shit basically?

 If I leave, if I get fired, if I get demoted to friend of, so, you know, it could be that, or maybe these people are bullshitting and it was never in her bio. It also doesn't seem like Katie. It doesn't seem very Katie like to have pump rules in her bio, but I don't know with these people, you never know.

So, that's a very long winded way to say, I don't fucking have a clue. I hope it's interesting though, because god damn, these reunions of evolutions lately, Looking at you, Beverly Hills, have been a real bummer. They have been a real bummer. I should sin for being lied to. I should too. Don't play in my face, people.

No. No. Anyway. Yeah, I don't know. So I guess, you know, We'll stay tuned as far as the future. I'm sure more will come out and then, you know, Andy on radio, Andy said, he called Lala the voice of reason he called Brock Ali, the voice of reason, which, and then Lala said today, you know, she heard Andy say that then production told Lala that she had a really good season.

I'm like, Oh, well, yeah, because Lala was the one that was really, yeah. Trying to make a show happen, trying to. Get people to film together, but I don't think Lala expected the either the fans picking up on this, or I don't know just everyone in a weird place when it comes to season 11. So I think that's where all this  disconnect is, but it's just interesting to me, but I don't I've said this before.

Lala so confusing, but I guess someone else said that Lala always does. This is she last year, she seemed to me that she was done with reality TV. And so I was like, well, maybe this is her last season, but someone was like, Lala always does this. And so, and you've mentioned this before Lala will say something, then the next day later, she'll say something completely different.

Right. So it's hard to really ever take Lala, you know, what she says is real. Yeah.  I hate disagreeing with you, but I. Of all the things, I do not believe that Lala is It's done with Vanderpump rules or  I think that she might be done with Vanderpump rules potentially, but I think she'll go to the Valley.

The Valley. I don't think she's, or perhaps hell throw her on Beverly Hills. Those bitches need something to spice things up. My God. Right. Well, I hear boring. I, you know, I think about that sometimes with any of them quitting because some people are like, I think Katie quit. I think Ariana quit. But honestly, with all of them, here's the thing.

Their main huge chunk of income is the show. Yes. So I can't. Even although Ariana to me also kind of has been giving me the vibe of being done, but when it comes to money again, a lot of them in particular this season was like the most they've ever made. Yeah. So I can imagine them walking away from that.

Because, again, all their other stuff that they have going on isn't going to make the money that they are with the show. So I don't know. It just like they are the richest not having money ass folks I have ever met in my life. Like y'all have so much money to be so goddamn broke all the time. Like I've never heard.

And I'm like. I'm worried, because I'm like, am I gonna, is, if I get money, is this gonna happen to me? Am I gonna just  Cause I mean, all of them are talking about how they don't have any damn money. I'm like, did you spend it all?  What? I'm not judging. Cause I, I'm again, I'm afraid that's going to be me, but  I don't understand how they're all, cause I got to tell you this really quick.

I'm not going to name the girls because, uh, cause I'm not going to, but there's a couple of girls that go to my school that, uh, that I work at they're teenagers. There's 17 that got into Vanderpump rules. And this is very much not in their, this is very like, they don't, they're very much team. We don't want to watch these white ass random bitches.

Okay. Yeah. But  they asked me a bunch of questions and one of the girls, uh, I don't She said she was, Oh God, now I forgot the fucking story, but just maybe just put a pin in that because now I can't remember what she asked me, but she does ask me a lot of questions. She says things like, cause she's not, she just got into season six and she'll be like, Miss Marlo, are you telling me that Jack's cheated on Brittany?

And I was like, what episode are you on girl? She was like, see episode one, Miss Marlo. I was like, girl, I'm not telling you anything. You have to go through the journey by yourself.  I'm not telling you anything. And then another one of them is In season two. And so that's a whole thing having to get her up to speed.

It's been right in the real process. So anyway, um, I wish I could remember my original point. Cause It happens, but yeah, so that is kind of what's going on a lot of front and then, um, Sheena, I think we can end with her because that again, she not always I feel like ties into the episode, but we learned on juicy scoop, which he listened to juicy scoop.

I can't with Heather McDonald, but she was on it and she, she gave more insight and  you're the 1 who said this last week that. The dancing with the star something wasn't adding up was she was someone talking to her was someone giving her the idea of what of her being on it. And so she did clarify that.

And I completely forgot and being you talked about this, her connection with the D'Amelio's and Charlie was on it. The season before Ariana, right? Yes. And she won that season. And I think she, you know, went to dancing with the stars at times to see Charlie. And so during that time, she said she had two producers and a costume designer come up to her and say, Oh my God, how have you not been on this show?

And they were looking for the casting person. And they were like, we've got to introduce you. And so it sounded like there were talks of her potentially Doing it, or she at least, you know, had that in her head  okay, they're going to talk to me with other people. And then at 1 point, 1 of the people contacted her and was like, hey, you know, I threw your name in there, but they're going to go with Ariana because it's so.

That to me made more sense to Sheena saying, I was taking dance classes, I was doing this  and she said, you know, she explained that on Juicy Scoops because she was like, you know  I know on the show, they can't show anything. That was a choice for the editors.  I still think that there's a way, cause I've been racking my brain.

I'm like, what is it about this piece of the story that they just can't have in the show? That would be  like you're talking about dancing with the stars, right? So the ABC elements already, that's dead. We're done with that. So then is it bringing in chart?  Do Charlie and Dixie and whoever the hell else, do they have some sort of  Gag order on their name.

Like you can't talk about them on the show or something. It's just  whatever it is. I don't believe it. I think that they could have said, Sheena went to an event with one of her friends. I mean, she's talking about banging John Mayer for God's sake. Like you can talk about going to a dancing with the stars event and being under the impression that you were in the running because she was networking her little ass off.

Yeah, that's    that's very believable to me, and if they want to paint Sheena as like a delusional, fame hungry, you know, social climber, starfucker, whatever they're trying to do, you can still do that with that narrative. It just makes a hell of a lot more sense than whatever the hell they're trying to do.

Talking about, she's sad because Dan told her, and I'm sure that  There is an element of being disappointed that she didn't know, but that's not the crux of the issue here. The issue is she thought she was going to be on it because she'd been campaigning like she was going to win an Oscar for however many months.

So it's just  Hey, just, I am, I got it. I got to tell you before we get into this episode, like I'm so irritated with production this season. On.  For on everyone's behalf for every single little thing. I'm irritated with production and it's sad because again, Sheena said. You know, I know they can't show everything they has to be in her mind that they did her dirty with that.

And look. This season, it's weird. I don't because it's okay. Are they giving Ariana weird at it? But then this would makes the way that they're editing Ariana, then it would almost to me make sense for them keeping the Sheena thing. Right? Right. The show that but okay, so they're not doing that. Okay. So then you.

They definitely want us to be torn between Ariana and Sheena and Sandoval. Again, the way that they're portraying him, which I do think we're going to see maybe more of a shift with him, particularly just with how this episode was. But I think they really just want us to feel divided when it comes to Sheena and Ariana.

And my whole thing is I just want them to have a fucking conversation. And I guess technically they do this episode, but we'll get into it. This conversation solved nothing. I think that they're trying to literally everything you just said. And I think that Alex Baskin is  got a little too big for his britches.

That's not to say he's not an important or well known or noteworthy, uh, producer. But I think that Scandaval Really had him smelling himself and I think that he like got it got in the situation and now he's  okay Well now our show isn't just like a device to tell a story But it's a device to make stars and create businesses and have spinoffs So Katie is going to be lovable this season so that everyone will come to her stupid sandwich shop.

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say stupid. It just came out of my mouth accidentally and everyone's going to hate Sheena, but there'll be talking about her. They'll never stop talking about her. And then maybe we can get her, you know, because someone made a good point on something I was listening to.

They were like, Sheena is saying dancing with the stars. Every single chance she can, and you are now associating Sheena with Dancing with the Stars, and I know idiots like me, if Sheena got Dancing with the Stars, I'd be in damn, I'd be in tears, okay, I would be like on the floor, I'd be so happy for her, so, I feel like they're trying to do too much.

Just reel it in a little bit. I just want to see how this stuff actually plays out. I'm still going to love the show. I'm still going to love these people. I'm still going to be happy for Katie in the sandwiches. I'm going to be happy for Sheena in the show and be happy for Ariana. Like I don't, and I don't need you guys.

I, I need everyone. Do you think people encourage Tom to behave this way on camera? Or do you think he just, this is just what he thinks he should do? Cause I, at this point, Sandoval's behavior on camera is. Striking. I think we're actually seeing Sandoval for the 1st time without him being in a relationship and we're realizing that the man cannot speak.

Yeah, he's really and so I think I don't know. I think for the 1st time, I think Sandoval. Came into the season and really wanted to try to show the audience. Look, I'm journaling. I'm working out all the time. I'm really trying to work on my mental health. Very boring. I don't care, but it's  I'm not buying it, dude, because you specifically seem to show these things when you're on camera.

And then you go in your little closet to have a good quote unquote cry. And it just, you know, I, It's weird.  I don't know necessarily with Sandoval, what it is with him, but, and then as far as then production and Sandoval, I think I said this before, I think Sandoval had a conversation with them and he was like, dude, I don't even know.

I don't want to do this season. Everyone hates me. And they're like, you know what? We will help you out. Yeah. So I think something like that happened. Um, But I will say I, I am more hopeful, particularly with this episode, because I really did enjoy this episode that we are going to see more focus on other things than just the scandal piece and.

Um, I don't know. I think even, you know, Ariana going out to the Belmont. I think that was huge. I think we're going to see more of that. So I am hopeful, but I don't know. Now, I'm like  I'm a little weary now because again, with all this stuff, allegedly, maybe hopping at the reunion, but I don't know. I'm hopeful still for the rest of the season because  this season has been rough.

It has been rough. Um, okay. Well, was there anything else from the juicy scoop interview that you wanted to touch on? Not that I can think of. I don't know if you have anything. I don't. I need to take a quick little break and then we'll be right back with the recap. Okay, good.

All right, so let's get into first this episode of Vanna Pump Rules. We do have a lot to recap, so I'm going to try not to get too bogged down in the tiny details as I usually do. So we get, but wait, but before that said, before we get started, I do want to see if you notice something. So kind of like we were talking a minute ago, you know how And housewives, they will kind of demote someone to a friend of, or you can tell when someone's going to get the friend of ticket next season, you know, I feel like they're doing that with James because we really, and I mean, I guess we'll see, I feel like aside from Graham, the stuff with Graham.

We have not gotten anything out of James except him being like a supporting character and even this episode you know, he has the where the bush electrocutes him I guess and he whines about it and then he has the random ass thing that happens at the Belmont which we'll get to and then he kind of is just like a Little brother sitting at the table at the end when Jax comes in.

So I don't know. I just found that interesting. I also want to say that I am, I'm really trying not to let it happen because I don't want to be let down, but I'm starting to really like Allie and I'm just afraid because I'm like Allie aligns herself with these people and these people make  really bad choices.

I know, you know, that's such an interesting theory. And honestly, Homeboy production might be thinking, how many times can we save his ass, right? Because again, the James allegation seemed to have went away again, and the conversation around it seems to be dying down. So I'm wondering, you Yeah, you're right, because James has not really been a staple character this season, besides the Graham thing.

Honestly, Ali has had more of a storyline this season than he has, and I really like Ali. I like to think Ali, I know people like to say, Oh, Ali is just using James, blah, blah, blah, girl, do it. Use him. Yeah. Build that career. As long as you're safe. Yeah. Emotionally and physically and all of that. Also we didn't talk about the fucking video that came out.

And my investigative journalism. We have to talk about that really quick. We can cut into Tom's stupid party. It was dumb. Um, so this week, was it radar online? I think came out with a video or released a video that was taken at what's the name of the place? Oh, God was a whiskey  go.  No  the venue that we saw  Canyon Club.

So they released footage that came out from Canyon Club, that episode where the gang goes to see James, uh, open up for Tom Sandoval. And you'll remember like Allie and James kind of get into a little bit of a convo in the back in the green room. Uh, Raquel is like still kind of teasing about getting with Schwartz.

She pulls Allie aside in that episode. Katie and Sheena get into it that episode. And I think Katie calls Sheena a name or something like that. And then Katie and Schwartz get into it. Anyway. A lot goes on in the Katie leaves early. So that's the episode we're talking about. So footage comes out from that night after cameras went down and you see the first part, you can't hear a damn thing.

First, the audio is completely silent. Then all you hear is  um, I don't know the, I think it's like rack  rack them up, like I tell all my hoes, break it down. Okay. So I think it's playing that. And then it's. James kind of screaming at someone, he's saying  LA, and then it kind of cuts to the perspective of this group of men, like kind of walking up on Brock real brisk  and Brock kind of stops them and it's    Whoa, not right now, guys, you know, I can't do an Australian accent.

And then it cuts to a different part of the venue where you see now. James has exited already and Allie and James are with some skinny guy and it looks like they're like, it looks like James obviously got kicked out. I think that's pretty, that's easy to determine from the video and from what was said about the video.

What happens is it's like, You can't tell, does Allie not want to go home with him or Allie doesn't want him to leave or vice versa, then Sheena steps in and she's  maybe don't go with him right now, not, and I'll, you know, I'll call it  I see it as Katie Maloney would say, it doesn't look the whole time or sound like she's saying, don't go with him necessarily because he's drunk.

It's almost  don't nobody go like she doesn't want anybody to go. Um, and so then what I did in my spare time was I extracted the audio from the YouTube video, and then I did a little bit of work with it. Uh, we also see Raquel in this video as well. Sorry, Sheena's with Raquel. Which is important.

And also Allie's drunk. I mean, very drunk. Yeah. Yeah. She's like kind of stumbly. And so then I took the audio and I reduced the music as much as I could. 'cause even when they're outside, you can still hear the club music at like very loudly. So I reduced as much as I could and I turned up the vocals as much as I could on the speaking voices.

And I ran it through Descript, which is what I use to edit. It's my editing software along with Audacity and also what I use to export my transcripts. That's all very nerdy and I apologize. I just want you guys to know what I did because I did it three different times. I did it with the original audio.

So with I didn't toy with it at all. And then I did it with the music almost completely taken out. I couldn't take it out completely because I'm not that advanced with audio production. And then another one where the. Music was pretty much the same, but the vocals were like way blasted out. And what I think seems to have happened is each time I fed it through, it picked up on a different person's conversation.

So it sounds like in one part, the guys that were like briskly approaching Brock, I think that they were the ones who wanted James kicked out. And it sounds  based on, and I'm not going to say the words that this Individual use cause they're not okay for me to say, but he's basically, it sounds like James maybe said something like, I'll kill you motherfucker.

And the guy is  Oh, you're going to kill me. You're going to kill me. You're going to kill me. Motherfucker, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so then in another piece, it sounds like you can, in all of it, you can hear James kind of say, um, can you please let me talk for a minute? And then you hear Sheena saying something like.

I, I was trying to say bye to you guys, or I was trying to stop you, or I was trying to do, she was trying to do something. Then in one piece of the transcription, I don't remember which one it was. You hear Allie saying, uh, we didn't, I didn't want to get caught, but I didn't, I let him have my phone or something like that.

And that those two things weren't necessarily related. Those are just two pieces of audio that I remember. She has something about, they, they were sounded like they were going to get caught doing something. And then also  like she was going back for her phone, I believe was the context there that she had left it or something.

So, I don't know. What they got kicked out for doing. I don't know if I want to be careful. I don't know if maybe something was going on backstage in the green room that was not permitted by the club for whatever reason. And maybe they asked that thing to be stopped and then Allie and James gotten an argument about it.

I don't know if Allie and James gotten an argument. About this other guy that was there because at one point the at one point someone is telling James You're a stupid piece of shit. You're a piece of shit. That guy's a piece of shit So, I don't know if I don't know exactly what happened, but the audio when you transcribe it is Fascinating to read.

It's just like what the fuck did you guys get into in this short amount of fucking time? and then eventually I guess Allie and James just leave. I don't know because at the very end, it's just the girls that are recording the video kind of like bickering with each other about whether or not they're gonna, you know, get caught with the video.

So I don't know. Who do you think released this? Great question.  I think Raquel Levis released it. I think Rachel Savannah. Yeah, because, so some background information. This So we saw a little bit of this play out on the show as you mentioned, but we didn't Recently rachel and charlie talk about Rachel's at the canyon club and she said yeah, I talked to ali And you know later on in the night Um, I think ali and james got into it somehow And then they got kicked out.

I don't really know how like it was weird They didn't really go in a lot of detail about it, but it was just kind of this thing Well, then Lexi on Pump Rules podcast, this is like in the very beginning of a scandal, talked about how she was there that night with Rachel and with Sheena and, um, she was saying how, uh, when all this stuff was going down, Rachel immediately got her phone out.

And was recording stuff. So you have Rachel recording stuff. And if you watch the video, you can see, I know people who are listening, but imagine me holding my phone just in my hand up. Yeah. And she's  so it looks like she's recording. Right. But all of them were yelling at each other. They probably didn't notice.

And so she said, um, Lexi side of the story is, or  I think Lex or Lexi, but that James, he didn't get kicked out. He was getting his DJ gear. The people there were just being annoying, whatever. Well then Brock  they saw that someone was taking a video. So Brock asked them to delete it from their phone to send it to him and then to delete it from his phone.

And then Rachel, Ended up messaging Lexi the next day or whatever. And was like, um, I can't remember if you were around when James got kicked out. So clearly they were all very intoxicated. Yeah, they were, you can tell by the, you can tell by the way that they're talking, you can tell by the way they're standing.

They're all, I mean, I don't know about James, but they were all drunk. Yeah. And you know, like I said, like I saw the whole thing. I was the person who told you something was happening. It was one of the security cards. Yeah. Um, and then, according, now this again is according to uh, Lex, but she said, Rachel said she, but a fan got a video, Brock asked them to airdrop it, then delete it, production needs a release signed by quote unquote whoever took it, and I was hoping you would, Say it was you so they can air the footage.

Would you be down for the cause? The video is sitting now.  Sheena and I are going to talk to him on camera tonight about it, which we never saw that happen. And so she said, um, talk to him on camera about it. But I feel like the last video gives really good talk context about what all went down.

Would you mind signing a docu sign, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to pressure you. And then Lex was like, I don't feel comfortable doing that. I wasn't the one. I wasn't the one who took the video. I'm actually in the video that the girl took, which in this, what we saw, I did not see Lex in the video. Yeah. So this is a whole different thing.

Um, And then she said, you can see me in the corner letting you all handle the situation. I did go to Allie's side to check on her. I talked to her when I first saw all that was going down because I noticed she didn't have any friends around her. So  what was she checking on Allie about? And then she said, Rachel said, I totally understand.

Thanks for letting me know. Lex said also it's important to know that the clip only shows the end of what happened. And this is what I think it's interesting. Rachel apparently said. Do you know why security went over there to begin with? I figured it was because they were arguing loud enough for security to try to break it up by Allie.

I'm trying to break it up. Um, but Allie probably wasn't the one yelling. And then Lex said, so I, then I told her what happened, which was interesting. So Lex didn't say what happened. So I think that's interesting. She's leaving that part out. But all this goes to show that something I think went down that night, either.

Lex, or sorry, either James and Allie got into it somehow, right? Right. It could be just a really intense verbal argument. I think, um, you know, and if you look in the video at one point, it looks like James is trying to walk toward Allie and the security gets in the way. Yeah.  They're trying to  separate them.

So, um, but it's just, again, the timing of this video. But, as far as  if Cause we mentioned, you know, who do we think released it? Potentially Rachel, but she's also in the video. So I don't know. Well, but if  I think if she knew, if she saw those girls recording, she probably said, got it from them, send it to me.

And then she didn't get, she couldn't. Now, I don't know that this is the same video that Lex was talking about, but I also guys, it was a big scene. So if there were people around That were fans. I'm sure there's more than one video that was taken because it was a scene in some of the video from the radar line.

We saw some of that footage in the actual episode. So I think some of this actually comes from maybe, I don't know, there's cameras in the bar or  I think multiple people took footage that night. So I think even the YouTube video, we're not just seeing one thing from someone. I think we're seeing a bunch of different videos strung together.

Okay. Because I think the first part is what Rachel recorded, potentially. Potentially. Um, but I mean, I don't know, but the only, I mean, who would benefit from that video being leaked? It will not be. Go ahead. I mean, I mean, like Sheena and Brock wouldn't necessarily benefit from it. And James and Allie certainly wouldn't benefit from it.

And I'm not saying monetarily. I'm just saying  Rachel's been trying to get the word out on this guy for a minute. So that's why I know, but it's sad because there's so much context left out in the video that again, it's another, it's just another moment of potentially we're seeing James angry, but we're maybe not getting the full picture of his anger.

And so while this video came out, it's not made any sort of headways because there's not a lot of context there. And so again, it's just annoying when it comes to James, because I do think there's so much more there. But we're just not seeing everything, you know, um, okay. So sorry guys to get on that goofy ass tangent, but we had to talk about that because that was big news.

All right. Yes. So opening cuts, we cut to Tom Schwartz cleaning his face with Joe. Her title card says very funny. It says Tom Schwartz's friend. Parentheses, who totally does not live with him. Close parentheses. I love that kind of editing. That makes me smile. Yeah. It's cheeky. It's not  mean.

It's just funny. Yes. Uh, so then, and it's kind of, you know, laughing at themselves anyway. So then we get to Tom's pool party and. And so to explain this, so Anne said when, oh yeah, on her, so on her podcast, I thought this was funny because I get this whole narrative of, cause Sandoval saying how he didn't have any friends during the summer.

Well, and on her podcast said, so in the episode you see this girl named Jessica and underneath it, it says, Tom's friend, but, and pointed out  that's actually her friend. Is that the orange haired girl? Yes. I knew that wasn't his friend. I was like something about her energy. I was like, that girl is  cool.

So that doesn't seem like her. Yeah. My whole theory now watching this poll episode, I'm like, okay. Because you know, Peter has came out and said that they asked him to do season 11. But they were like, we can't pay you. And I'm like, well, yeah, they didn't have the budget because they got to pay all these people to be sustainable as friends.

Right. You cannot tell me those two girls were not brought in by production. Oh, for sure.  I heard somewhere that they were like at Schwartz and Sandys or something. I don't know, but they were, I don't know. I was like, where did you find these women? My favorite description is Amanda. Again, on the, we signed the NDA podcast.

She said how watching this scene, this is so funny. And this is what Amanda said, reminded her of when you're talking to someone and you are like, picture these girls thinking they're talking to someone who's going to give them Coke. But then they have a moment when they realize  Oh, this person's not going to be good.

Yes. That's literally exactly what's going on. Allegedly. I don't know what these girls do, but yeah, that's the vibe. Yes. That is the vibe. And I'm like, that describes this perfectly because they just, Oh God, him talking to those girls.  It was it was rough  and we'll get there in just a second We see Ariana on FaceTime with Katie there They're talking about what they're gonna do Katie is about to go meet up with Lala for lunch to talk about their Contentious argument that was excuse me the night before at Ali's house.

So we see Katie and Lala sit down You know I'll just say this about their actual thing, and I've already said this a couple of times today. Katie and Lala both run their mouth too damn much. They just do. They don't know how  to stop. They don't have a limit. They Don't  they're very self involved.

They're very invested in how they're feeling in the moment and They're not conscious of what they're saying and they run their mouth too damn much So if they did less talking then they would probably not have to have these kinds of conversations Because they would be listening to one another but alas, they both Just don't They don't have a filter.

So they kind of do this lunch to come together and apologize to one another, which is kind of nice. Lala opens it up with kind of, you know, the tension breaking. Are you trying to butter me up? Because. Katie ordered  her sparkling water she wanted. And Katie's  no, he just knew also Katie isn't opening her mouth to talk this season.

And it's  very obnoxious to me. I don't know why she's speaking that way. Um, I don't, I really want to know why she's not moving her, the entirety of her mouth when she speaks, because it's hard. It's almost like she's slurring, but I don't think she's drunk or anything. I just think she's. It's not talking properly.

And so she's, but they're both talking about where they're coming from. Lala says she's, she wants to get soft and heal from her trauma cause she doesn't want to be a bitter bitch. And Katie is happy on her war path, which was, do you think she wanted to? She almost said, but Katie wants to continue being a bitter bitch.

I, I was, I heard it in my mind as she was saying, um, you know? Well, and. The reality is    la. You'll still be a bitter bitch when the time comes, don't worry. , you still have it in you, dude. I just think this whole thing was a little It was nice, but it was also kind of It was really nice to hear both of them admit that they say hurtful things that they can't come back from.

But what I thought was interesting was Lala led with Do you feel like you hit below the belt with me? And I was like, are they talking about what happened last night? Cause I don't, I mean, I don't think that Katie was kind by any means, but I don't, what did she say that hit below the belt or did we want to get something edited out?

Because I think that's what happened. Cause that interaction, they kind of, from what we saw kind of smoothed it over a little bit, but you know, Katie was still kind of in her feelings, but. I'm like how harsh did this conversation get that that not only is Lala saying you hit below the belt, but Katie's accepting it and apologizing because that's what threw me off.

Cause Katie's not going to be, she's not going to be the first one to be like, yeah, I was wrong. She's really not, especially if you approach her like that. So I don't know. I'm almost wondering if maybe did Katie. Specifically say something about Randall because to hit below the belt, nothing that I saw within their conversation makes me think.

And Lala saying, you know, she's afraid that they're going to say something one time to each other, just to hurt each other. And they're not going to be able to get back from that. So I'm like, okay, so then what was Kate was Katie saying stuff to specifically hurt you? And then for Katie, just to say, I'm sorry.

And no butts, no, nothing. She actually, her face in that moment, like I  it was weird too. Cause as mainly as Lala said, you know, I'm afraid we're not going to be able to come back from that. Katie, I merely said, I'm sorry. And then Lala hugged her. And then it was funny, it literally  cut to the next scene because I just picture the editors being like, okay, got that over with.

Bye bye. But it's  it was just interesting. Um, I do think that well, and we even talked about that whole conversation was edited weird, but the night before with Lala and Katie, because we kept seeing the cat in all these different places that didn't make sense even for a cat. And so I do think. It maybe got more heated.

I wonder if Katie said something below the belt and then Lala came back from it or came to it and went really hard. And that's why Katie wasn't over it at the end. Something more went down with that. Like maybe Lala technically  won the argument or something. Maybe. And I don't think, and I have to think it maybe involves more of Randall because otherwise Lala on her podcast would talk about what really went down.

You know? Yes  I think you're probably right about that. Um, and yeah, but maybe, you know what she could have said what you  you know what you signed up for when you got with Randall or something, you know what I mean? Something like that. Yeah. But see, the thing is, it's interesting about that. It's like Tom Sandoval says that shit all the time on camera.

Oh, I'm like, I don't, is it like trying to, I don't know. I feel like for the weight, the tone of it, I felt    not just Katie, but it sounds like some really horrible shit was said. And like I said, they both run their mouths. So, they probably did say some horrible shit to one another. I cannot leave this scene though, without saying, Katie Is so beautiful in this  I mean, the lighting  I mean, not just in this scene, but it is so, cause, and  she makes another outfit choice later in the episode that is not my favorite, but in this particular scene, like it, it really, everything was really working in her favor, I think so.

Her and then her at the GLAAD awards this past week. Oh my god, that floral. That was beautiful. When  she hits. It's just that she misses so often. It's  ah, bless your heart. She's beautiful as hell. She's stunning. Her fashion is, all of their fashion is questionable. I won't even, I won't do that, just her.

All right, so then we're back at the pool party. And Schwartz leaves, I guess, because he was looked at as the wingman for Sandoval. And I wrote this down because I didn't, I wanted to know what you thought. Do you think that Schwartz, what is he thinking going to these things and then leaving? He's always going and leaving and going and leaving.

Is he trying to like. Is he genuinely uncomfortable or is he trying to prove something? Does he put himself on a timer? And then, cause I don't feel like he gives a real, I don't think he really gives a shit if Ariana is mad at him. So I'm like, what is your point in doing this? Like fake, like, all right, I'm a head out every time that  you come in contact with this guy.

I just don't, I don't know. It's very odd to me. I don't know what his motivations are. I'm going to be real  with this scene, and I put this in my notes. I almost wonder, because again, I didn't realize how much him and Joe were hanging out during this time period. I almost thought he left because he didn't want Joe to see, or I mean, if he was going to do anything at this pool party, he didn't necessarily want Joe to see that.

So I think that is a part of it. I think, I do think. And it was  really trying to protect and help his image. So I don't think it necessarily, it has nothing to do with Ariana. I really do not think he cares about. No, even though he's trying to. Present that a little bit. I think it more so was because, and it's so weird too, because, you know, they talk, he talks about how, you know, I've been presented as this, you know, this accomplished in  this, in this affair.

And it's  dude, so much has came out. Like you were, you knew all along. The day after they fucked so it's like the way that he just is going about this, but yeah, I think he, and maybe too, he was like, I don't want to hang out with any of these people. I mean, that's also, I also thought about that too. I was like, I mean, it looks like an odd situation and he says it feels weird in there and I was like  you're not wrong.

But Sandoval was like, it's not like we're having an orgy the way that I wish so much than it like cut to them actually all having an orgy. That would be amazing. Oh my God. Okay. So Billy Lee introduces T to Sandoval and Sandoval's  yeah, whatever. And then we, he's  other girls are going to come over.

So  the two girls. I guess one of their names is Michelle. Yeah. She, they come over. Michelle, if you're listening, please come on the podcast. Please come on the pod. I have so many questions and I want to know like how many people were actually there because 10 it looks like at one point, but it feels like they're trying to make it look like there's more people, but I don't think that there is a lot of but  it's.

Looks like they're trying to make it look like there's more people and that's crazy And we know that one of them is Anne's friend. So I'm sure of them at least is Anne's friend Okay, so then we get this he keeps making jokes he does this throughout the night about his roommate referring to Ariana and then the Michelle and the other girl come in and he Walks them in and they do shots.

They look I mean, I don't this I don't mean this to be mean I mean this to be like What the hell is going on? They look like your average Girl that you would just find they don't look like, you know Mega influencers, they don't look like supermodel or who is with now who is with now, right? He don't look like that.

They look, you know, I mean Much, you know, more put together in LA and beautiful, but they don't look like anyone that he could get anything out of like fame or attention. So I'm like, where did they come from? Uh, so that was just something I couldn't, I could not understand. They didn't even give me like down to fuck vibes.

 They gave me deer in the headlight vibes. I also couldn't, I couldn't really. Gauge their age either. Cause they didn't seem like 19 year olds. They seemed like to me, they looked like they were probably mid to upper twenties, which I think is a reasonable age to be going to a pool party in the middle of the day.

I think, I don't know. I have a lot of Michelle. I have a lot of questions. Let's see if we can get the, we should get Michelle to do an AMA in the all about women. The pasta. Oh, please. That would actually be really tight. Michelle, if you're listening, please hit me up. So then we get this God awful scene of Sandoval in the pool with the two ladies that have come to the party and he's just doing this thing and I don't want to spend too much time on it because I don't think it's genuine to me of, Oh, well, I My roommate, you know, do you know about my roommate?

 He's like kind of inferring that they're going to hang out there longer, but he doesn't want to disturb his roommate. And it's just my ex. No big deal. Just an ex of 10 years, which is like a crazy thing to say.  What do you mean? No big deal. Like when he says that he's trying to be  if I were to say, Oh, just.

If someone said, Oh, do you know Tez? I would be like, Oh, no big deal. Just like my ex for the past, like 10 years, you know, that's no big deal. Like I would say it like that because I still have a relationship with him. So why? He's saying it as if they asked him is so weird. This is so weird. He's weird as hell.

And so, uh, he also says that he crushes up potato chips and slides them under the door for her. What does he say? Yeah. You know, it's funny. I'm Kristen's podcast. So it's interesting. He, I didn't even catch this, but breaking the rules pod, they reposted this clip. But she's on the podcast today. So when. She, when she was dating Sandoval, he had all these, um, Tony Robbin DVDs around his house.

And they like helped him like, that was what helped, that's what helped him like talk to girls and things like that. And  he had all these rules when talking to girls. And then she mentioned, she was like in Sandoval, the chips under the door.  Joke. I've heard it six times now. How, why is he using this joke so much?

How does this come up? I don't know. I don't know. And I don't know that I fully understand it. I don't either. I actually, I listened to, I did listen to Kristen's podcast right before we recorded, but I also listened to Watch What Crappens do their recap. And when they said that, I thought they were just Riffing like I didn't know that he actually said that so I didn't realize until today that no, that motherfucker actually said that shit.

I was like, why? I don't know. Why? I don't know either. It's  are you trying to act like. See, to me, that joke, that does not make you look good. You're trying, are you trying to act like Ariana's locked up in her room? Right. And you give her little treats? Yeah, that's gross. But also  if you use this joke more than once, where in other settings do you use it?

It's just not, again, we are, we Sanibal in his real form and he does not know how to talk. You know what? I'm not familiar with Tim Robbins comedy or whatever. I'm not sure. But maybe, I don't think he's a comedian. I think he's, I think it's Tony Robbins. He's like a speech.  He's a, um, uh, there's a lot of controversy with him, but he's, what's it called?

Like a motivational speaker. Well, I think, you know how it's like the old ball and chain.  That line of joking, so I think maybe  it's intended for that, like if they were still together, then that would be a joke. Well, I've got this roommate  I press up some chips every now and again, feed them, you know, just make sure she's still living, which is a, Bad joke, but it would be in the context of you're still with the person.

It doesn't make sense if you guys are broken up and literally estranged. It just doesn't make sense to me unless I'm misunderstanding the joke, which I could be because it's a shitty joke. So it's hard to understand. Those girls did not understand. They did not laugh at one thing. And I don't think that was editing.

That's the only thing in this whole episode that I don't think was editing. I think they truly did not know what the hell he was talking about. Yeah, they maybe they actually did come there to fuck, but then as soon as they saw him and he opened his mouth, their libido legit went, oh, Completely dropped.

Nevermind. Oh my god. Okay. So we see the next day and is cleaning the house, which feels very much out of the realm of responsibility for a personal assistant. And that's coming from someone who is a personal assistant. It just piqued me out so bad. I was like, I can't believe this man is asking her to do this shit.

It doesn't make any sense. Hire a fucking cleaning crew. Craig Conover would be having a literal conniption fit right now. He would be so mad if he was cleaning. Just hire a cleaning service. Why don't you guys have any money?  Hire a cleaning service. It doesn't make any fucking sense. You just had I saw all the bottles  of liquor and wine and all the stupid, God awful accessories  that Sandoval buys and the fucking beads and the like, hire a cleanup crew.

That's all you have to do. And not Sandoval acting  you know, I know if I don't finish cleaning and we'll pick up the rest, bitch, you didn't clean a single damn thing. Nothing. I saw the shots of that kitchen. It was disgusting. When she got there, she should never have to be in that situation. It was awful.

No. So don't act like you, you know  I clean up at most, but if you know, let's say, you know, I got to go journal. I got to go work out and can pick up the, you know, the rest.  No, you did not clean anything. I'm like, did you guys work out like a shtick or something? Are you guys, are you fucking with me?

I'm not trying to blame Anne. I'm just like, Are y'all fucking with us is he's got to be fucking with us because I'm like, there's no way you would actually expect someone to do this is crazy. I felt bad because Anne explained this in her podcast. She basically was like, you know, I think it started with him asking her to do little things like, Hey, could you pick up this?

Could you do that? And then she didn't, you know, and I would have been the same way. She didn't. Set that boundary right away of  my job description, is this something you want me to add to my, then we need to talk about that. Right. And then, , he kept, asking more things, you know  and very much seems  yeah, I'll do it.

And  she just seems to have a really nice energy. And so I think it just turned into that. And now she's cleaning up after every party she's doing laundry. Now she's doing way more than just Personal. She's being a house manager. She's being a house manager. She's being like, um, our innocent, she's throwing parties, mother throwing parties.

Right. She's be and she's also, unfortunately, therapist. A therapist. She's also a live action mediator and Crisis Dees escalator and Oh yeah. Message deliverer. She's a mail service like y'all. I'm sorry I was a little dis. I know. I don't know. This is my own feelings. I'm like, Ariana, if you love Anne so much.

Then you tell her to sit her ass down, stop cleaning up his shit, and you clean up.  I don't know    it's your house.  She shouldn't have to be fucking clean. Hire a cleaning service. Again, I just don't agree. I don't, I just don't agree. I don't agree with the house situation I've landed on.

I don't agree with the house situation. And I don't think that Anne's being treated fairly. I really just, I really don't. Even though I know that she likes Ariana. I know that Ariana appreciates her. I completely empathize with what you're saying where it starts with  a couple of little things and then you're  trapped in this loop in this expectation.

Uh, cause I did the same thing, uh, where I did not set a clear boundary and now I'm like stuck doing all kinds of stupid shit that I shouldn't be doing. And I'm leaving the job by the way, guys. So it's okay. If it comes out. Um, but I think that. I just think, I wouldn't be able to watch somebody doing that in my house, whether she's doing it for my idiot ex or not.

I wouldn't be able to do it. I don't know. I know it's probably more complicated, there's probably a bunch of arguments to that, but just for me personally, I would be like, Babe, sit the fuck down. Don't do that. I'll do it. It's fine. This is my house. I'll clean up. Yeah, that's what I know. I don't know how I would handle that to be honest.

I don't know. I'd move out. I'd move out. Yeah. I don't. I bug my God, the way that if whoever, let's say  Sandoval ends up getting that house. Good Lord. That house is going to smell. Oh, I know. It's so disgusting. I felt it's such a beautiful house. It's so nice. Loki that gym. I really haven't appreciated it maybe because of the angles, but when I, when we were in there and the treadmill, I was like, damn, that, that was really nice.

 And that pool  it's really nice. It's really nice. You just made Sandoval's dream of saying that, because that's been his whole thing. I added that gem. I know, but it, but I mean, shit, it is really nice. No, it is a nice gem, but the way that  his whole world would light up hearing that. His life is around.

Literally, and we, I mean, every time we see him in the house now, he's either, you know, He's in the gem. He's in the gem. Or in a closet crying somewhere. Sir, get your ass out of the fucking closet. Anyway, so then, uh, and so Anne has to, she's huffing and puffing bless her. She's sweating. She's, it's just awful.

I hate it so much. And so then she goes up to Sandoval and she's  uh, Sheena's coming over and they're going to be downstairs. I would. I'm sorry.  I know we have to move on. I would jump off the fucking roof into the pool. I would tie cinder blocks in my feet. If I had to tell some two grown ass people in their house that they pay for, that they allegedly don't have enough money to move out from, but they just spent one of them just spent an exorbitant amount on, uh, on liquor.

Like it. I have to go between the two of you and speak for y'all and announce when there's visitors in the home. Oh, kiss my ass goodbye. I'm not doing it. Yo, Anna is. I feel so bad for her because  know that she's, that it didn't start like that and so now she's kind of trapped, so that's awful.

Well, and I think she actually became close friends with them too, so then that adds a whole messy element too, so per Anne, I hope, I know, I hope she gets the best job ever, whatever she goes next. Me too. So, Sheena comes over, and she and Ariana, Kiki about the Ariana Dub's sexy single pool party and they laugh and then they sit down.

To have the most open ended unresolved conversation of all time. Would you say that was kind of, yeah, I thought it started out good, especially when Ariana was like, you know what, Sheena, I should have just told you because I was a little confused as far as, you know, I get Ariana because I have heard.

From multiple people when it comes to dancing with stars, and if they have people that are rumored, it is a weird thing of if people are either campaigning for themselves or  that really gets out that they really will squash that person getting on. It's weird politics when it comes dancing with the stars.

I've heard that for multiple people, but what I get confused is. Because on the after show, you know, Sheena mentioned that, you know, Brad knew, and Logan knew, and the way she said it, it made it sound like they knew when it was just like a rumor, but Ariana told her  you know, right now it's just a rumor, nothing's, you know, set in stone, they're trying to keep it  hush, and then when Dan told  Sheena.

Sheena. You know, that was when it was all out there. So I'm kind of confused a little bit on like the timeline with all that. But I really thought, you know, Ariana in that moment, she was like, you know what, she just said, I should have just told you. But it's interesting because  when they flashback to like Lisa, in Ariana's conversation, Ariana was more like what she wanted me to break my NDA.

But then we see when Sheena and Haryana are talking again, it's so the way that they speak to each other versus other people is very different. Yeah, they're so I don't know if they're just so worried about  hurting each other. I don't know. But the way that I was like, okay, so this conversation. You know, is going somewhere and then, you know, sweet Maya, she grabs Maya's hand and is holding it.

So cute!  What? What? Sheena is a real life Cinderella. She, as she walks in a room, And good as gold plays and all the little critters come to her. Yeah.  That was so cute. And then, you know, you have, um, Sheena, uh, I did think it was kind of cringey when, cause again, she's talking to our Arianna when she was like, you know, was it a punch to the gut?

Yes. Did I cry? Yes. Was it the most miserable event of my entire life? Totally. But I was happy for you. I know. Did I hate you with a passion? Yes. What? No, I didn't say that out loud. I was like, Sheena, honestly, dude, like objectively, if we were just going to simplify this, we would probably just say that they're fake as fuck, both of them.

And so they're being fake as hell right now and not fake.  Acting, but  they're not saying how they really feel to each other and they're being very kind and saying  they don't want to hurt each other's feelings. And  I don't think that they do want to hurt each other's feelings. I think that they're both very aware of how they present.

I don't think that they want to get in an argument on camera. I don't with each other. I really don't think that they do, but I think that they're annoyed as fuck with one another. And. I think that Sheena is a little, it's a little easier. She is a little more transparent about it. Not that she's being very transparent by any means, but I think that the Sheena's tone, it's easier to kind of decipher, like a little bit of bitterness, a little bit of resentment with Ariana.

And then of course, Sheena will do the, was I hurt? Yes. Was I miserable? Yes. But  Ariana's not going to do all that. She's going to just say some shit. I'm sorry.    The kind of stuff that Katie's saying in these  in the after show, she's not getting that. Some of it comes from disliking Sheena, but some of it's coming from shit that Ariana said to her.

And that just is what it is. That's what Sheena's doing with Lala, that's what Ariana is doing with Katie. They are Talking shit about each other    as it happens behind each other's back. So their friends and their friends are backing them up. That's what's going on. And then when they get in the room, they still do love each other.

They don't have hate. They want to have a good, you know, afternoon scene, whatever you want to call it. They want to have a productive conversation, but they're not communicating. It's like they're talking about. It's like they're talking. It's  we're watching them. What did I say? Talk to projections of one another.

We see like Ariana film a scene and then we see Maya and Sheena film a scene and they put it together, but they're not actually talking to one another. It's very  it's very weird. And it's also the editing. Uh, I think, uh, one of our friends on Instagram pointed out. The dog, Maya, she's holding Sheena's hand, and then she's on the floor, but then she's back up on the couch  snuggling up, so yet again I don't even notice her.

Yep, I watched it again today to make sure  yet again, we have this whack ass editing, so I don't know what I don't know what's up from down at this point.

And I know that they have to edit it a little bit, just to be fair. They have to edit it because I know they have long ass conversations, but come on. Oh, are you there? Hello?

Lindsay?

Hello? Uh oh. Oh, there you are. There you are. Oh gosh. That was so scary. I was talking to myself. I know. I just, yeah, you cut off. I heard you saying, and I didn't catch this, like Maya was on the couch, on the floor, on the couch when the editing. Interesting. Yeah. And I was just saying that I know that they have to edit it a little bit.

Okay. Okay. Um, obviously, because they have long conversations, but at the same time, I'm just like, I would have loved to see if there's any context, I'd love to see more of it because, you know, it's interesting. I don't think they've been, maybe we're just all really watching closely this season, but they seem to be more messy with that kind of editing again.

I said this last week, it's giving love is blind because they do that a lot of love is blind. But, um, What it's interesting, I think it's almost like Ariana and Sheena, the conversation they really need to have, I think they both know would really determine where their friendship stands, and they both don't want to have it, and it's, you know, Sheena, and Ariana brings up a good point, she's  you know, I'm afraid you're more comfortable talking to other people about things than me, and it's interesting, because the way that Sheena talks about Ariana, And again, we don't see this, but Sheena presented as, you know, anytime I talk to Ariana, she's, you know, seems displeased by what I'm saying and by my emotions and things like that.

But then anytime we see, you know, Ariana and Sheena talking again, they seem to be, you know, having, trying to have  a loving conversation. So it's just, it's interesting. And then Sheena saying, And this is where I think Lala comes from. I think she just wishes Sheena would do what she wants to do, because I get Sheena saying, you know, She really just  wants to forgive Sandoval for herself that look girl I've been going back and  forth on this but you also you do just want to be either his friend or Be friendly with him or wish or maybe hope that your friendship will go back to the way it was because her saying you know Years down the road and Sandoval has made the whole which first of all, you're literally acting like The way you're talking, so Sandoval just  has a full lobotomy, you know what I mean?

Like he's always going to be this person. Yeah. But, so, That doesn't    no, listen, I'm saying that, but that doesn't mean that he never was not a good friend to Sheena, right? Right. I'm just saying, but still to the core, he's going to be Sandoval. And so her saying that, and then  Ariana just being like, you know, I would be like  like you in danger, girl.

I think again, Sheena saying that, I'm like, okay, you. I think you do want to have more of a relationship with Sandoval. I honestly, I've said this before, the way that you talk about Sandoval, you don't talk about that way with Ariana, and so I think you just need to say that, and then Ariana I think it's like, if this is what, where you're at, then you also need to be like, you know what, you just, then I need to  this needs to be cut out.

Not necessarily  it doesn't have to be this whole. I hate you. We're not friends, but I think there's just going to be like distance between them, which I think we're kind of seeing right now, which I know Ariana is in New York, but I think we're going to see more of that. I think  sheena, the way that they're going about it to me is just so obnoxious.

And Sheena being like, okay, so years from now, like all of that, like you don't have, we are intelligent as viewers. You don't have to do that.  Just say, I need you to tell me. Where are you on my level of forgiveness and are we good if I forgive him? Okay, are we good if I forgive him? And then I go out to a bar with Brock and Brock's hanging out with him Are we good  put throw some real ass hypothetical situations out there?

And you don't have to even mention filming clearly She isn't upset about as upset about filming as I am You know, we've been led to believe because Katie can sit there and have, and then you're going into the Belmont. So I don't, I, and again, I don't know where this is on the timeline. I don't know if something changed.

I don't  I really feel, and this is just how I feel. I feel like Ariana is saying things. Behind the scenes or expressing something or someone on her behalf is expressing something that is making everybody unclear on how to move about Sandoval because  again, I don't think that Schwartz gives a shit about Ariana, but he is being so weird and Sheena's being weird.

And then, Like law, like everyone  is just being strange about it. And so I don't know if she's saying stuff and it's getting back to them  or if it's just a matter of, I don't know, maybe she said, I don't want to talk about, I'm not going to say on camera that I don't want my friends. Spending time with him and I will not be saying that on camera.

So is this Sheena's like way of trying to get her to say something so that Sheena has an out like I don't, it's like there's something about it that there's something about her that just isn't making sense. I will say, I think particularly with Katie filming with Sandoval, I almost wonder if Ariana is thinking, I don't mind this happening because I know.

That Katie will have my back. I've been, then  Ariana needs to tell Sheena, Hey, I'm worried. That you're not that you're not going to have my back like that needs to be said, which then Sheena could then say, you know, I, I will have your back. And I think, again, I think  they're whatever boundaries is confusing because, you know, we then see Sheena.

Um, you know, a Bravo con, right? She said she was defending Ariana, then she's been saying lately, you know, this season, she was really trying to get an apology from Sandoval to Ariana because Ariana told her that, you know, you know, well, Sandoval hasn't even, you know, ever said sorry to me. So I don't know if Sheena took that as Ariana wanting an apology because Ariana has made it seem  you know, she doesn't want that apology.

Right. So I don't know if Sheena has. In turn  I don't, it's like Sheena's trying to, I think actually help, but then Arianna is  I don't want that kind of help, but then, so they need to just be more clear. It's just so confusing. It's very confusing. I do remember at one point and it doesn't matter, you know, if she said it at one point and then changed her mind because  she should be able to do that whenever she wants.

Oh, absolutely. But I'm thinking that maybe, I feel like I, I remember Arianna saying  I'm not, how can I move forward? He hasn't even apologized, something like that.  And which maybe would put Sheena in a place of, Oh, well, if he apologizes, then we can move forward. And so maybe that's why she's so stuck on an apology.

But I also don't think that's Ariana actually clearly establishing what she needs or wants. It's just like a, you know, a thing that she was wondering  you know,  I don't think that she was like, I don't think that she thinks  Oh, well, if Sandoval apologizes to me, then, uh, yeah, it will be hunky dory.

I just think, you know, that's something that she's probably one of many things. She's like, how the fuck am I supposed to move, you know, move on with this guy? Well, then it's  okay, bravo con. Sheena said that Ariana was upset because Sandoval was saying shit. So  then Sheena then take it upon herself to say something to Sandoval, but Ariana didn't want that.

So then if that's the case, Ariana just needs to be like, Hey, I know that I'm going to express that I get upset by the shit Sandoval says, but I just need you to know that I don't, I'd rather you than not go to him. And try to, you know what I mean? Like middle man, my shit, please don't. Yeah. And if you continue to, we're not going to be friends anymore.

Exactly.  That's so reasonable because Sheena cannot help herself. And that is a reasonable thing. I don't know. Why don't you just say that? Or  maybe it's because she knows that she does not coming from a bad place. And so she knows it's a little unreasonable. I think that there's this, it's so complicated.

Yeah.  It really is so complicated, but at the end of the day  everyone isn't owning exactly, well, Sheena and Ariana are not owning exactly how they feel and exactly what they want. And, I, and people keep saying, in the comments, in the reddits, in the universe of the online, they keep saying, Ariana's been very clear.

I'm like, guys, no  she hasn't. She hasn't been very clear. She's been kind of vague. And  if she was very clear, then this would not be. Then we wouldn't see Ariana being so  receptive to Sheena, right? If Ariana was very clear, then Ariana would be like, Not entertaining these conversations at all.

That would be very clear. I don't think she'd even be on the season now. I don't think she would be on the season. That's a great point. She wouldn't even be on the season. So she's somewhere in the middle and that's okay. But I think as an audience  we're trying to digest this and it just  and it just, and it doesn't make sense.

The show doesn't make any damn sense. It's almost like I need Ariana because I do think Brogg makes a good point later as far as  you know, when all of this dies down, like again, like Ariana has had all the support around her, right?  What's going to happen when like kind of  the noise and I'm wondering, you know, Because I see Ariana, and I'm wondering if maybe, you know, we are seeing her not even understand really, you know, where  her boundaries are and stuff like that, because again, they are filming a show, so it almost like it would be nice to hear Ariana just be like, you know what, guys, I don't fucking know.

I'm all over the place.    I know sometimes I feel uncomfortable and then sometimes  I'm okay with it.  I'm just all over the place. The way that I would be like, you know what, because I do actually think that's part of it and it's just not coming across. On the show in, I think a part of that too, is cause you know  they are filming a TV show, so this does make it more complicated, but it's like, they all had different agendas for this season and this, none of it is making sense as an audience.

It's not. And then  even later when Katie and Sandoval are talking and Katie says, I mean, do you think that it's appropriate for you to  have random people here? She's never met. Right. And it's  again, this is a boundary that I did not know was, uh  she, so    what do you mean? Does that mean that the Terms of them living together is Tom cannot ever throw parties because we just watched him throw a birthday party with permission.

Does this mean that people, the only people that can come to the house are people that she knows? If so, why? And the very reasonable answer could be like, Tom attracts a  very shady group of individuals that I don't want in my fucking home, which is really reasonable. If you put it like that. But just being like, Oh, well, he can't have people at the house, but I can.

That's not reasonable. It's just, it's  not five months in. It's not maybe, you know, a couple of weeks later. So again, everything about everything going on with this is so.  It's so  I don't have a word for it. We got to keep, we have to keep going. We'll be on this podcast for ever. Well, and real quick, I almost wonder if maybe Lala, a big reason why she exploded at the reunion is I wonder if she was saying a lot of what maybe she has been telling her.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, because I do think. You know, Sheena has been talking to Lala more about this stuff and vice versa, Katie and Ariana with Katie. So I just wonder if that comes to blows finally at the reunion.  I can see that. I hope so. I hope whatever Lala and Ariana burst out about. Say it with your chest, bitch.

Say it with your chest. Say it with your chest. Um. Alright, Joe and Schwartz, all I want to say about this scene is a couple of things. One, this is the Echo Park Lake. Two, this is the second time that media that I consume has had the Echo Park swan. Lake in it. The other pieces, the H3H3 podcast, which I'm a big fan of Jeff Wittek, who is best friends with Tana Mongeau, who I'm going to see tomorrow for the canceled tour live.

I'm so excited anyway, he's doing a live dating show right now. And they went on these same swans this week. So I enjoyed watching this twice. I also really want to visit Echo park. If we have time when we're in LA and I don't want to actually get in that boat thing. Because apparently it's  an hour and a half when you get on them.

And I don't want to do that, but I do really bright, very busy woman. Um, but I definitely want to go see that Lake if we have time, cause I think it's really cute. A second thing that I want to hit on, I actually. I appreciated that this was, like, a side of Jo that was, seemed very  grounded. And  the wackiness, the slapstick was kind of toned down in the scene.

And I, she just seemed like a very chill, normal individual. Only thing is, And her confessional, she needs to get her feet off the fucking chair. This is not, I don't know what you think this is, get your feet off the chair. That's all I have to say. Yeah, that'd be, uh, as I've said with Joes, she's chaotic, but she's harmless.

I know. She really is. Yeah, I think, I honestly, even with this scene, I see a lot of chemistry between her and Schwartz. Yeah, they really do. They like, they do a little slapstick thing at the very beginning where they're like imitating the Tootsie Roll or Tootsie Pop Owl and they're like playing off each other so naturally.

I'm like, yeah, you guys have spent a lot of time together. Yeah. Um, Now you sent me your notes and I want to ask you about this Lindsay. Uh, so in the scene Joe says that anyone that Schwartz states will get a lot of hate from Katie and You put down in your notes that you thought that until you saw Katie on Watch What Happens Live and I fell asleep during that So I was wondering what?

What made you change your mind about that? Yeah, I mean look we have seen as far as with Schwartz and his Who he dates, it does seem to be, you know, with Joe, she called Joe spooky. And she said, you know, she  had the crack head. And so, you know, and then I know she made a little joke about with him dating a, uh, now 23 year old.

So I kind of was like, well, she always have something to say when it comes to the people that short states. And I think one. Her, him, and Schwartz and Katie do have this kind of weird banter when it comes to that. But on Watch What Happens Live, I never thought Katie would admit this, but she said there was some kind of poll question about Schwartz and Joe, and she was like, honestly, watching this back, I see it.

She was like, I saw chemistry and I was like, Whoa, I thought that was huge for her to admit. So I understand Joe saying that in the moment because I think Katie really came hard. At Joe and Katie did say on the mention at all podcast that you know, she would not use that language now and she was in a very different place where she is now as far as like when it comes to Joe and her saying what she said about Joe.

And so I just, yeah, I, when Joe said that I was like, you know, I kind of had that thought but again I was very surprised with what Katie said on Watch What Happens Live. Well, that's good. And I just hope that, you know, she keeps that same energy for the next. If  I know he's dating this girl, but I just, I don't think  that's whatever.

Yeah. So if he has another real relationship, I want to see how she speaks about that because, uh, patterns would show that she's going to do exactly what she's already done again, because that's what most of these people on the show do. But I hope not because. It makes it extremely difficult to root for her.

For, well for me apparently not for the rest of the world, but for me, very difficult because, again, you're not being transparent about your feelings.    You're resorting to calling people names instead of just  saying how you feel, like you're hurt. You're frustrated. You don't understand and putting it on Tom Schwartz and you're blaming the girl again, but you know, Katie's a girl's girl and Sheena isn't.

So whatever  exhausting. Um, all right. Your notes are so funny. Ariana comes out. Um, that's a headline. Um, so now we go to the Belmont and what I think is, uh, I mean, everything A big surprise. It was like a series of really big surprises for some reason. I don't, again, I hate to be always conspiracy.

I hate to always be questioning because this is not how I like to enjoy my shows, but I'm like, when the fuck was this filmed? Was this filmed yesterday? What is happening with these people? So they're all at the Belmont and we like the whole gang is there. And out of nowhere. Ariana and Katy walk in and I texted you when we were watching this like this is the making of a star This is how you know, this girl  is going to be very successful.

I believe in Some sort of fame capacity for a while, because when you walk into a room and obviously there's other reasons behind it, but the way that she's interacting with each and every single guest, you can see, she makes every single person feel like the most important person to her. And that is a really.

That is star quality and the  the whole energy of the room like lit up and  it was kind of awkward because we had to look at stupid Sandoval's face, but the rest of it was like, oh, she looks gorgeous. She looked beautiful.  She was glowing like she really changes the energy and we need that.

Thank you. Ariana. This is why we need you to film with Sandoval because. Just his energy is extremely dark. He didn't  he so much didn't know what to say. He started talking about how he needed to shit. That is what  several times. So Ariana, you keep showing up, he gonna look bad. He's going to look so stupid when he talks about you.

He sounds so stupid. So the way that he. Looks when you are in the vicinity. It's just, there's nothing, we need so much more of this. We, I need her to just, I know babe, but God. And he's a good looking guy. You make him look like the ugliest man on the planet when you walk in the room, Ariana, like dead ass, like he is not attractive.

He is not charismatic. There's the light  and it's kind of sad, but  he's, you don't ever need to worry about. Being the one in the room. So anyway, I had to get that off my chest because it was just like, it was amazing to watch. And it was a really interesting scene. So we're kind of going back and forth between all of this.

Oh, I love that you put Kyle Chan and Ariana look like they're having a deep conversation and Ariana is making some faces. Cause I caught that too. What was that about? Yeah. I don't know. It just, yeah, so we see at the beginning, we see Schwartz and Sandoval talking, but in the background, you clearly see Kyle and Ariana chatting.

And it looks  I don't know if he was talking about Sandoval. Maybe he was saying, you know, I, you know, Ariana, I still care about you because Kyle Chan, I think has been friends with all of them. So I don't know if it was more so of a Sandoval conversation. Ariana was like, you know, I don't want to hear this.

Um, but I would have much rather heard that conversation than, you know, Sandoval being like, oh, I can't believe Ariana's here. Literally. That was awful. Uh, we see, uh, Oh, Ariana says Katy dragged her out. I'm like, okay. Uh, Ariana feels Sandoval's eyes buried into her. Uh, they Okay, so the girls all go out on the porch, and this is interesting.

Another thing that I think kind of backs up what I'm thinking that it was kind of bad. What was said between Katie  and Lala, because if you need a safe word and everyone's  wait, are you guys okay? Like you can tell that it's like kind of awkward Ariana and Katie, I'm sorry, Katie and Lala have had much more heated conversation.

I mean, Katie literally called her a whore and they didn't need a safe word after that. So what went down? That's what I'm saying.  I, we did not see the full context. I need I can't wait till we get out to LA, bro. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask so many questions, um  of people. I'm going to go up to random bartenders at TomTom and ask if they have the tea.

Tell us everything. What is it that Colleen Ballinger says in her stupid video?  You know, like that one aunt that like goes up to the kids  what's the tea? That's what I'm going to be. Because that person doesn't really exist. She just made that up. Anyway, so. Oh, I lost my place. So they're on the porch.

We talk about the safe word. Lala and Katie have a safe word. It's croissant. And then Allie says that she got a text from Joe asking her to read her chart. And then, of course, Katie goes on. We already talked about this. She talks shit about Joe, essentially, for a minute. And we come back and Katie says, well, what did you say?

And she goes, I said, sure. I was like, Ally, you're kind of funny, bro. And then, Ariana and Katy kind of talk shit about Joe, or, Ariana says again, you in danger, girl. I'm like, when did you learn that phrase? I know. Why are you saying that so much? That's so odd. But okay. Um, and then, We go back into the bar, and again, this is, it's cut up.

Oh, and I do want to say quickly, Katie makes a point that I totally agree with. The way that Joe moved about the situation, we learn a little bit more in the after show with Schwartz. Is not appropriate to me. No, it was shady. It was shady. It was, she moves funny, as we say here in Atlanta. She moved funny.

 You were texting, she was texting Katie to ask Tom for a haircut. And that's just  it's very, Raquel asking Ariana how her and Tom's sex life is. That's how it is. So, I don't like that. Don't get me wrong. And I understand why Katie is sketched out by it. But also, by that point, babe, you had divorced him.

And I'm sorry that this girl  I know that this girl probably got under, Every ounce of your skin, but we got to stop. I don't know when these confessionals were filmed But we got to stop calling people names because we're grown women. Okay. Yeah, so then we get Sheena Going up to Schwartz at the bar and they start to talk about the sexy singles pool party and then Sandoval awkwardly comes up and stands his I God his social cues are Not they're not in the room.

They should be yeah And he's talking to her and Sheena does something that I thought I would never see she says that He needs to apologize to Katie. He needs to understand  That he opened a business with her ex husband and  that was probably a big part in why their marriage failed because of all the pressure and then I said, I don't know if that she says all this but essentially like the way that he treated her putting all this pressure on Tom Leaving him with the business.

You're conducting your own shit You're getting him involved like all this stuff and that he really needs to apologize to her and I was like Oh, the Sheena haters are going to be mad today, honey. They are going to be, cause she's right. He should do that. Now, do I think that Sheena needs to keep telling people to keep being the four?

Why does. Why does he only listen to her? It's the weirdest thing. When Lala was yelling at him, he didn't listen to her. He doesn't listen. He doesn't listen to Katie. He damn sure doesn't listen to Ariana. So why does he only listen to Sheena? It's strange. It is strange. And even, you know, I think Katie, the podcast that she was on, she actually was really kind to Sheena on that podcast because one, she talked about how she felt for Sheena.

During that meditation thing, she was like, that pro girl was manipulated and thrown to the wolves. But then with this scene, she said, you know, she didn't know that Sheena had said that to Tom. And she was like, and, but I will say Katie was like, you know    she seemed like she appreciated it, but she was Sheena  she has good intent and she tries, but she kind of misses by a mile because even Schwartz and Katie, don't get me wrong, and I know you just re watched season nine, Stannable I think played definitely a part in their relationship because Tom always picks Sandoval's side, right?

But just the way that Sheena worded it, I kind of see why, because of who Sandoval is, not that I agree with that, but Sandoval, all he heard in that moment was, you know, you guys are blaming me for Katie and you know, Schwartz getting divorced. And I don't think that's what she, you know, wasn't trying to say like you were the main reason.

Right. But that's what he heard. And so, but I appreciate that, you know, Sheena was trying this, but girl,  Lala has said this. He's not going to take accountability because he's not, so she, you know, like you, here's a thing. You, what did we see? We see Sandoval then talk to Katie, but he even said his confessional.

He did it to help him and Sheena, not sorry to Katie and he's not sorry to Ariana either. No, he's not. He's not. And he's not going to be. Otherwise we would have saw this whole scandal would have been a whole lot different if that man showed any remorse, right? But he's not sorry. And so again, it's just interesting.

Like I kinda, I feel bad and I almost wondering, you know, I don't know if Sheena watching this season, maybe she's seeing more of  okay, interesting, Sandoval does seem to listen to me, but also he's still not being genuine with other people, right? Right. So it's just, yeah  I don't really understand that, but I think Sheena, her heart, Is, you know, in the right place, but I think Sandoval again, probably takes a little bit of advantage with that when it comes to Sheena to her kindness, but totally, uh, so then Sheena works herself up into a frenzy, gets an argument with Sandoval and the walks away and goes back over to Ariana and Katie and.

Also, I think part of this is people pleasing to like she, I think she kind of does stuff like that so that she can be like, look, see, I'm doing, yeah, is this good for you guys? Cause I did the thing that you wanted me to, you know, I feel like there's a little bit of that to it. And I think that would be a great moment to for Ariana to express more.

If there was a boundary of  you know, Hey, if you.  Because Ariana has like this in her mind of  you guys are going to talk to Sandoval and you're going to get burned. And we see that happen with them sometimes. So it's almost like Ariana needs to be like, hey, you know. You're gonna, yeah, you're gonna try to, yeah, you're gonna try to talk to him, but I don't really want to, you know, hear about it after  you don't have to tell me, you're right  I tried, because you're going to try again, because that's just who Sheena is, yeah.

It is, it really is. So this is where the editing gets really wonky, okay, doesn't make a lick of sense. The way that they cut. So from what I can understand about the bar, they make it look like this is all happening in the same area, but I think that Ariana and Sheena and them had left. I don't think that they were in the bar anymore because at one point it kind of like quickly flashes over.

Cause James for. For some reason, calls up to Tom and says, Tom, what are you doing, mate? You're ruining everything. You're building every bridge you ever had, mate. You're fucking up your whole life. You're being a moron, man. What are you doing? I wonder if he exploded more than what we saw, maybe.  Or James just was like, I need camera time.

Like it was, it seriously came out of nowhere. He wasn't talking to James. He wasn't, he had nothing to do. James didn't know we're here. He wasn't even yelling at Sheena. No, both of them. They weren't yelling at me. I wonder if more happened. I bet more happened. Something else happened because we are missing.

Shocker. They didn't show it. They didn't show us. And then  they show Sandoval being like, I'm out of here, dude. Which is odd.  He got pissed about something more. Something else happened because. Him and Sheena again, him and Sheena fussing wasn't that it wasn't that bad and also  Sandoval is in this for the fucking money and the fame.

And so  he's going to stay filming as long as possible. Even  if he knows that Ariana is there, like  he's competing with her. He's trying to one up her. So what happened to make him. Leave and why did y'all I encourage you all to go rewatch that scene and tell me that it's not a totally well Camera angle and that it's just  weird stuff  and it was giving the hills again because when he left he said it didn't show him He was turned around but it definitely sounded like this was recorded in a studio But he says I'm over this shit.

I'm out And you, again, yeah  I think something way more happened that night. Alright, so now we get Brock and Sheena.  They have an interesting little relationship. They are playing, it's important to know that they're playing with this magic erase magnet board or whatever, I forget what they're called.

It's like a little board where you can draw. Etch a Sketch, that's what I'm trying to say. It's like an Etch a Sketch. And they're playing with Summer Moon and they're showing her angry faces on the Etch a Sketch. And they're talking about The nanny again, my God, they're still talking about the nanny and they start to go in back and forth and they're talking about how, when I think Brock is trying to say when things line up with Sheena's schedule, that doesn't mean that it lines up with his or that it interferes with his or something.

And when he says that Sheena goes lower your tone, sand of all. And I was like, Oh, burn dude. But then like crazy, cause he didn't really have a tone to me. I think she just doesn't want to, I don't think she wants any of his shit. Yeah. I don't think she wanted to hear him. She says, I don't like you right now.

And he goes. Honey, I love you. And he, she's  I love you too, but I don't like you. And then he drew a little, he drew a little face with a tear. It was very, I was like, yeah, I was like, this is what I assume marriage should be like, but  I don't know, I have no idea. That seems like a normal fight, but then like on the internet, people, a lot of people, I don't know if you've seen this, maybe it's just me.

Cause I attract Sheena haters for some reason, like a lot of people were like, how dare she say Sandoval to him like that. I'm like, are you  what do you mean?  That's how   I don't know. Guys, Sheena doesn't hate Sandoval as much as you guys do, okay? I know that Sheena saying Sandoval to her husband to you all translates to her calling her husband Scott Peterson But like she's not she's just saying that he had an attitude That's what that means because Tom Sandoval is always defensive  and in that moment Brock was being like defensive and whiny.

And that's what she was saying. She wasn't going to spit out my water with this. Oh my God. I'm also guys I'm reading. Notes. So I can't see Lindsay on the screen right now. And I just realized that  I've been like scratching like my inner thigh and like yawning really big, like making a lot of crazy faces.

So I just want to apologize to you, Lindsay.  I'm so sorry. I have no idea what I look like. Oh, you're good. I'm looking down. I've been looking down my notes. I didn't even notice. You're good. Okay. Great. Great. Great. Um, so. They, and then at the  they make up and then they go into the kitchen when the other new nanny arrives and this, you kind of touched on this already, but Brock makes a point where he's  I'm just kind of worried about when all of the support dies down.

Now, I didn't take this as like, when everyone turns on her, like when the, she's so busy. She's  been burying her feelings in  getting work and gigs and Dan and all these things and when this stuff dies down Has she processed how to move forward? You know, that's kind of how I took it. Yeah. I mean what's gonna happen Let's say like when it let's say, you know the house you the house is sold And you move, and you're in a new place for the first time  what's that one, you know what I mean, that new, that one night gonna be, or what's that gonna look like?

Because when, since Scandal has happened, I don't even know if Ariana has truly been alone because right then all her friends, which that's truly fantastic. All her friends have helped her. And then like I said, she's been working like crazy. So yeah, I didn't, I, like I said earlier, I took what Brock says, you know, how is she going to process thing when the noise stops?

And I was like, that's, you know, that is a really good point. I hope that Ariana, and I do think, you know, I know she's been like a big advocate of being in therapy and stuff, so I do think she'll be able to navigate it, but I do wonder. What that will look like for her and I thought it was so funny though when Sheena was like me and Ariana.

We had a great conversation I'm like, did you?

Just shows that like Sheena she doesn't like  La Land and Ariana's right there with her Yeah, I really they really are on the same wavelength and it's why they're best friends, but it's also like girls You know, I know, I think it might be, I wonder if it's harder to, because I also think, you know, Ariana has been a big part in Summer Moon's life too.

So I wonder, I think if Sheena, you know, worry, because she calls her, you know, anti unicorn. So I think Sheena really, you know, puts that in perspective and worries about that too. But again, I don't even necessarily think it has to be a knockdown drag fight between Ariana and Sheena, but just them both acknowledging, you know what, our friendship is different now.

And that does make us both sad. But it just might be how it is now. Yeah  that's all I need from them, honestly. That's all I need. I need something. And what I need is what matters, okay? Uh, okay, so now we see, we did already kind of talk about this a little bit too, and I don't want to, you know, skip over too much, but we are going to run so long.

Uh, we have Katie. She is, uh, She's kind of cornered into having a conversation with Sandoval about  he, so he tries to apologize to her and I'm going to step away for just a second, Lindsey, if you don't mind taking this for just a second. Oh yeah, you're good. Yeah. So honestly, Katie and Sandoval, this conversation was interesting because, this We're kind of both, we're kind of used to seeing them get really heated, but while they are saying very pointed things, this conversation didn't get real heated, right?

And so, you know, Sandoval, who truly does not care about apologizing to Katie, right, he's literally making a protein shake. And he's  you know, I, But all in his confessional, he's  I don't think I'm the reason Katie and Schwartz get a divorce, but I'm willing to apologize. I want to  prioritize things that are important to Sheena, because I would like to mend that friendship.

But I'm like, that's not how apologies work, but okay. And then, it's so funny, because Sandoval comes downstairs and he's  oh hi, like he's surprised. And it's  bitch, no  you know that she was there. And so he's making a protein shake, and he says, you know, I want to apologize to you for the way I acted last year during your divorce.

I know you were going through a lot of shit, but, you know, that extra shit didn't help. And I thought Katie made a good point. She was like, you know, apologies are great, but they're just words. And that's when she said, you know, your actions were  fathomless. Insanable. He did not like that word.

He was like, you can't even fathom that happening. And I love this part so much because Katie was like, you know, I was in a 12 year relationship and I walked away. I didn't fuck my best friend, his best friend. And Santa was like, Well, me and you are different. We do things differently. And I'm just like, Oh, no shit, Sherlock.

That just made me, we're not the same people is what he said. And that just made me laugh so much. And so then, you know, Katie, I really liked when Katie said, stop explaining yourself and move differently. I was like, okay, that makes a lot of sense. And I think Sandoval should actually take that advice. And then my favorite part when Sandoval was like, give me a little grace and Katie was just like, no.

And so. Again, then it was just this weird ending of the conversation of, you know, I thought this was interesting. I was curious what your thoughts were, Emily, when Sandoval, then  it diverts to Sandoval saying, you know, I do need to talk to her at one point. And Katie was like, she wants to sell out the house.

And he goes, the balls in her court. That was edited so weird. So there was so much missing from that. Why did they even include that part? I don't know. I wanted to know in  what, how, cause  that wasn't the natural flow of conversation. It didn't feel like, so I didn't, the balls in her court. Is that with the house or is that with them talking?

I don't know. Because, and then for her, for him to say, we need to have a conversation.  What, then why did Katie, what led her to say she wants to sell the house? So something had to have been brought up about the house. Right. And I don't know if maybe they've, I don't know. That doesn't make sense. If they had to  go back and edit things because now like the law, the house stuff is like what the court, but if that was the case, then I don't think that, you know what I mean?

Then I don't know. That doesn't make sense. And why would they leave the house part in at all? Why would they? Exactly. That's yeah. Thank you. It would have been way more. Like team Katie to end that on no, you know, yeah So that but  that the way that they ended that conversation was weird that he was like, all right.

Bye you look good Yeah,  that was weird. I would have been I would have reacted the exact way that Katie did which was repulsion Also breaking news while I was on my bathroom break Vanderpump rules party Posted that it says it appears there may be more obstacles other than city permits delaying the opening of something about her.

It appears that Chef Penny and her attorney husband own the trademark to something about her, which seems like that could hold a lot of power and control from restaurant profits to all of the merch sales, potentially putting Katie and Ariana in a bit of a pickle. Now, do I know what the fuck this means?

Totally not, I'm going to be honest, not really, but, um  go ahead. I think, so  I learned about this a little bit before we started recording. So it sounds like, I don't know why, I don't know if she did this behind their back, but why wouldn't Katie and Ariana trademark this? So Katie and Ariana own the LLC when it comes to something about her, but somehow Penny may have trademarked the.

The actual something about her. So, and it seems like there's a rumor that um, that there might have been a falling out. And some people, I won't say who, but some people I've talked to have discussed how like Bravo creators were talking to Penny like last summer. And  she was super um, active and talking and then she just kind of went silent.

And so, That's kind of interesting, you know, and I also got that weird edit on the show when they were doing interviews and almost like Katie and Ariana were annoyed with Penny, right? Well, right. It seemed like Penny had a whole different set of questions to ask, which is like Exactly. Also, if you go to the something about her website now, it says, let's stay in touch.

We're working to improve the experience with our website. And that means we'll be under maintenance for a short while. Don't worry, though. We'll be very back soon. Now, the Instagram, they still have an Instagram. It's still called something about her. So I don't know  maybe they're going to have to change the name.

But also, what's that? What's that going to mean with all the merch that they sold with about you? I mean, under something about her, right? Well, if Penny owns, trademarked the name, like the brand, then I don't know what it would do with the merch that's already been sold, but if they wanted to sell any more, ooh, okay, conspiracy time, everybody get your tinfoil out.

I wonder if the, Katie and Ariana wanted to pivot their plan to primarily sell merch and then they were gonna  Sell the business or something because they realized that it was going to be too much to take on Do you see what i'm saying? So they were gonna keep the merch and then what if penny went behind their backs and trademarked it so that they can't do that To  lock them in the sandwich shop business Because the instagram can be the business's instagram and say something about her.

That's the name of the building That's the name  of the of the shop, but the merch the idea I mean, they had something about her merch before they actually had a sandwich shop, so they maybe, it is two separate entities, I don't know. I don't know, it seems, but then Katie was just on Watch What Happens Live and said, you know, it's, and even Ariana, I saw an interview she did with Broadway  you know, it's gonna open real soon, and she, Katie even said  you know, Andy, I think, Either knows the day or maybe the month.

And so I'm like, okay, so is this just, you know, we're reading this, but maybe we don't quite understand it and there's more to it, so everything's fine. I don't know. And I said  I told you this, I will give it to the end of the year and if they're still not open, then I will join the  day and opening club.

This wasn't real, you know, where I stand. Um, all right, so next. There's nothing to say about this shit, except for two things. One, I don't care about Sandoval or his journal. I did hear somebody on some, one of the podcasts I was listening to was like, he needs to publish that journal. And I agree. I will read it.

I will buy it. Sandoval, publish your fucking journal. I don't read that shit. Him saying he's like only journaling because he knew that Rachel was Joel, it's disgusting. So  you're mirroring her, which is the literal, that's what narcissists do. Well, and it's so sad because, you know, when Rachel was in the trenches, She probably thought that was so sweet.

 Oh, wow.  You're I'm doing this. So you are, Oh, you're not drinking either. I'm not, but how gross is this? It makes me want to vomit. It's very weird. He then him.   I called it. I knew there was something weird before I even heard him say this. He's. Got to stop comparing himself to people that have murdered people or two Situations that murder is involved like he has to stop stand them all.

I don't think that you murdered  anybody But no Okay just say that people made this the meat just the way that this blew up and the way that people Reacted to me was a lot Just saying something like that. It was a lot. Like again  no one deserves death threats. No one deserves the kind of messages.

And look, I think a lot of them were getting even, you know, I'm sure Sheena, Ariana, a lot of them are getting a lot of like nasty messages where she, where Sandoval and Rachel probably get  the bulk of them. Absolutely. But he loses every, well, most people when, again, he uses these awful comparisons.

And then when he says, Well, I was just going to say, I really resent him for bringing Scott Peterson truthers into my orbit because now, first of all, I'm very gullible and I'm very like  I'm fallible to fall to a conspiracy theory. And I have prided myself for, since I was young. On believing that Scott Peterson murdered his wife and unborn child.

And so I don't have time. I don't, I have to recap your stupid show, the stupid spinoff show, the after show, and then I have to talk about all of it on a podcast, and I have to keep up with the podcast that all of you do, and I don't have time to go re watch the documentary that came out a few years ago that debates whether or not they had sufficient evidence to convict Scott Peterson, because when I think about it, I know I watched it, it's one of my favorite murder cases of all time, And I still think he murdered his wife and unborn baby.

Now we're gonna have all of this re litigated cause your stupid ass is crying in the closet talking about allegedly. Allegedly, I know. I actually never, so I remember. Very well. When that whole, I remember watching the news when they hadn't found Lacey. Yeah. I remember that time period very well. And so I have blonde hair.

Yes. I have not watched the documentary and I know there's the whole, is he possibly getting a new trial that might be, or something's happening. So the innocence project apparently has is like in, in talks, I don't think that they've officially taken him on. But it's very much in the works. Look, you know what?

I will come on here and say, let's say he somehow found innocent. I don't know. Even then I have always thought that man is guilty as hell. I don't think that he's going to be found innocent. I think that they're trying to prove that they didn't have sufficient evidence to convict him. To convict him. And let me tell you something, Casey Anthony's bitch ass.

I don't want to hear a single. Word come out of that woman's mouth for the rest of my life and the   and now we've got her every couple months, it's her or her parents out here talking about girl, you kill  you did this. Or you were so neglectful to the point that your daughter went and drowned in a pool.

Alright? Either way  I'm not into that vibe on a person, and I'm not going to feel sorry for you. And I just  see He's going to say  Casey Anthony next. What'd you say? He's going to say Casey Anthony. Yeah. Tom, you didn't murder any, anyone's child.  Relax. Relax. If you feel, this is why he needs to be in therapy and stop journaling, if you feel like you are needing to talk about child murderers, like fucking rapists  don't feel like that.

You need to, and if anyone is making you feel like that, you need to cut those people out of your life. You need to move. Maybe if Ariana is making you feel like that, because. It is exhausting to hear you think    that anyone cares as much. And it's also, I would love for the community, for the fandom, to take a look at themselves.

Because some of y'all really do say some crazy shit. But  keep that energy towards the people that deserve it. Like Casey Anthony and Brian Peterson. Okay? Can't believe we're talking about that guy. Fucking, fucking Sandoval  the way that Schwartz is  did he murder his wife? And then Sandoval saying, allegedly  I can't.

I don't need any more reasons to dislike you, Sandoval. I really don't. No    I really don't. That whole scene, I'm just like, okay, whatever, crying in a closet. It was giving Lisa, when he was talking to Lisa, and he covered his face. Also, like. Bro, where did this come, where do you think  I guess this was filmed the way it's saying like it's filmed after, you know, she blocked him and stuff and now he's trying to, I don't, just the energy in this scene, I don't know, it felt so weird, like where did this come from, did you just want, it's almost like Standoval was like, okay, I need to have this big moment in front of people and I'm going to make this big so that when I start it.

You know, this is me showing the audience that I'm really letting this go. And now it's going to show me more dating. I think that's like where, because again, Sandoval, his life is the show. He is all about making productions and things like that. So I think he really went into the scene with being, I'm going to make this huge.

And it's really going to show the audience like, okay. He's letting his emotions out and now he's able to be free of Rachel and move on. I don't need that at all. I don't need that at all either. And it's funny too because I think what validates for me that this is all bullshit is Tom Schwartz's reaction.

 Tom Schwartz, every time he walks in the vicinity of this motherfucker, he comes in and he's   So, how's it going bro? And then he watches his friend that is suffering from a personality disorder, severely, uh, do his, have an episode, and then he just sits there because  he knows it's not real.

Yeah. If you really thought your friend was in crisis, he's not. Would you just sit on a bean bag in the corner? I don't know if there's bean bags in there, it was just giving bean bags. No! So, go ahead. Any time that I have really cried to my friend, their immediate reaction is to come over to me, you know what I mean, to hug me, to comfort me, although I'm not really a big hug person, but they can tell when I need it.

Right. So it's  they, the way that Schwartz was like, Um, I'm not going to move from this chair. I'm going to let him have his performance. It was giving like Schwartz knew, okay, Sandoval's performing right now. I'm going to need to let him do that. And then his revenge on continuously having Him in these situations where he's having to watch him perform is to sick jax on him.

I think it is so funny Schwartz  and we're gonna get there but shorts produced all of this  and  it's interesting because now I'm kind of going back and watching that the previous episodes like Is Schwartz like walking out of the house or the barn or the restaurant or whatever and  going and sitting in a director's chair and just like watching, you know what I'm saying?

I'm like, what is he? It's giving like Whitney Sedler Smith. It's just, he's really, it's funny that he's  This is the most I've ever seen him produce, I guess, is what I'm saying. The setup, the talking to him and the, and then  very clearly being the glue, the bridge for Jax. It was great, but we're not quite there yet because then Ariana has a little girl's night, if you will.

And not a lot happens. I think every, I liked everyone's energy in the scene. I just want to say  Lala was making me laugh a little bit,  everybody was kind of in a vibe that I could get down with, especially, they start playing Never Have I Ever, and they're joking because these questions are so specific, and they, well, first of all, before, Before that they, the boys come down from the closet and awkwardly stand around while everyone's  Hey, my, and then they leave.

And I just thought that was really funny. Ariana was like, get the fuck out. Yeah, I was like, God, and then Schwartz would have, Schwartz wanted to stay so bad that he was like, please give me a hug from this guy. He did, he was like, please. But nope, you made your bed, buddy. So go lie in it. So they're all so yeah, they're about to play never have I ever and they are Asked like never had have I ever Never have I ever had sex with more than one person at a time or more than two people at a time or  something like that two dudes.

I think at a time dudes at a time Brock drinks And we don't really get as much of an elaboration in that moment that I would have respected, but we do pivot to Sheena, who essentially tells us that she had an orgy with John Mayer, or like a foursome with John Mayer and two other girls. And they also ask  have you ever cheated multiple times on the same partner?

Sheena drinks for that, so I'm like, Sheena. Oh, I didn't notice that.  What are you doing, girl? James definitely drinks. Shocker. Shocker. Um, and then, the final question is really bizarre, and I don't know, I don't know, have I ever dropped my pet off in the middle of nowhere because I didn't want it anymore?

Please have planted that. There's no other explanation, and everyone seems genuinely shocked, like what the fuck did you just say? While I was like, that was, that's not the real question. No. Yeah.  She literally like nobody, I don't, someone, I don't know  Lisa's in the director's chair. Lisa was like, hang on before you start the game night.

Let me, I need to put something in the cards.  Here's my deck of never have I ever, I play it with Ken. You know how Ronnie and Ben on Watch What Crappens are always referring to her as a magician? Um, that's what she did with the cards. Hey, my darlings. The card trick. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, there's no way in hell.

That card was so specific. What? What? At first I was like, oh, is Ellie trying to have  a shady moment?  Is she? That's what I thought too. Read that, but it said  never have I ever had sushi. And she was  but she made that up. You know what I mean?  I don't, but then she flipped over the card and you can't read it, but I don't know.

It definitely says that, dude. She's not that. I mean, I don't think she, I don't think she's there yet. I don't think she's there yet. And I don't think she's trying to be malicious. Cause I don't think. I don't think she wanted Graham, so I don't know why she was shaming Raquel about it. Yeah. So, really quickly, we get Allie and Joe.

Allie's reading Joe's charts. And what I really took away from this scene is that I'm starting to really like Allie and I'm afraid.    I don't have it in me to trust anymore of these characters. Uh, I didn't like how Allie aligned herself with Katie at first because I just, Katie and her loyalty shit gets on my last damn nerve.

But I like that Allie isn't playing that game yet where it's  you know, you dictate who I'm friends  with any of them. And we hear Jo kind of  her feelings are hurt. How old is Jo? Cause The Watch What Happens guys, I think it was them, said that she was like in her 20s, but I'm pretty sure she's the same age as Swartz.

Well, there's no way. I think she's a, yeah.  She might be a little bit younger, but I  maybe upper 30s, but I don't think Upper 30s. She's not giving me 20 vibes. I did think The way  this is just how the editing was. I thought it was kind of interesting when I felt really bad for her when she was like, you know I'm being called an anorexic crackhead whore, which by the way  the thing that they showed Katie, it did show like her, like I said, that she called her spooky and was on par with a crackhead.

Now, I don't know if Joe was combining other things, but as far as  an anorexic crackhead whore, I don't know if Katie used all of that language to describe. I'm gonna be totally honest. I'm pretty sure she probably said all of that now, not on camera, but behind her back, like very, that makes me very sad because that's horrible language to use, but I will say it did make me laugh when Joe was like, yeah, then my mom asked me and called me and asked me  do you do crack?

And then it didn't show her what you're, I mean, like anything that she said after that. So then I'm like, well, what did you tell your mom? Yeah  because I'm gonna be honest, I think they all have done. drugs. So it's just  can you imagine her being like, I don't know, mom, I don't think, I think that they've tiptoed right on up to that crack line.

If you know what I'm saying, like they've crossed it, but they've gotten right around it. So, and I won't get into it, but I mean, there's been a long time lower as far as  what drug of choice is shorts. So Um, I, yeah, I sometimes, you know  I still wonder that with him, um, and I've also maybe wondered that with Joe as well, but again, you know, there's no, it's not necessary to use this kind of language when talking about someone.

It's not, but I think that it's fair to be like, But this isn't what Katie's point was, but I think something that we're, as an audience, realizing is that they're very much party buddies. Oh, for sure. And they're the drinky buddies. Maybe they do other stuff together. Almost certainly do psychedelics because Schwarz loves that shit, but I think  that's kind of the nature of their relationship.

And Ally says she's getting that Schwarz is in her house of friendship and Joe looks a little taken aback by that. Ally's so funny, bro. She keeps doing this thing.  It's Cracking me up where she's  gives really hurtful or devastating news and then she's  but it's actually a good thing. I don't know.

I think it's funny But again, I can't go full alley. I can't but I do  I know someone that knows someone that's close with her and I've heard really good things about her as a person too. So yeah, I don't know. That could all be, who knows. So all right, finally, God. So we finally get to the damn crux of it all and Sandoval, Schwartz, Brock, and James.

Why is James even there? I don't think we even need Brock there, but whatever. All right. Uh, they all sit down for dinner. I just want to say, you know, when I was voice messaging you the other day about what I wanted to try, Sandoval gets what I want to try if they have it that night is the skirt steak board.

Oh, okay. Yeah, you mentioned that. I did. Uh, and they, so they were eating that. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Anyway, so So they're kind of setting it up where they're like, yeah, man We used to go out and have nights and we ho all the time, but we're just not you know It's not like the old days things just aren't the same blah blah blah.

They're setting it up. They're setting it up and then We watch this is the honestly I rewound it and watched it twice because I thought it was so cool We follow jack's behind into the restaurant and you see You All of the fans, the first girl is about knocked off her seat. She's so excited. Yeah. But even  as you know, he keeps walking.

You see the fans like, oh my God, it's Jack. They're like whispering.  Um, in the beginning of, uh, Anastasia, the animated film and it's Petersburg is blooming since Petersburg is bleak. That's what they're doing. Yes. And so , he's walking and then he goes  whoa. Well, and I. I had chills when I watched it the first time I had chills when I watched it the second time dead ass like yeah, it's so  and  he's on 15.

He is I mean, hyped up. He sits down. He's  uh, hey, so how's everybody doing? Yeah, no, I'm good. You know, I got a bar. I got like a What'd you say? Not a ghost kitchen.

He's got a ghost kitchen. And he said, uh, yeah, my life is really great. He says this several times that his life is really great. That's when you know, that's when you know, okay. He's  yeah, man. Oh, Sydable  you look good, man. It's weird though. Cause you didn't, when I was looking at the picture of you the other day, he looked like 50 was bad, but you look good now.

I'm like. Now this, friends, is how to hurt Tom Sandoval, attack his fucking vanity, his nail polish, there's nothing more sacred to this man. In the world. And then Sandoval goes, Yeah man, you won't fucking shut up about it. And Jax is like, Well, you know, the whole world is talking about you. And we get a clip of, um, of his podcast.

And, uh, now my computer's frozen so I don't know if you, uh, Put that clip in, but basically it's one of the first episodes. I believe of when reality hits, which is Lindsay's favorite Vanderpump rules podcast. If you guys didn't know, do not throw that out there. How dare you? How dare you? Just kidding. Um, uh, they play a clip of it where he's.

Jax is basically just talking shit, which by the way, Really quickly, we talked a little bit about this offline. The only reason the two of you have a fucking podcast is to talk about Vanderpump Rules and particularly to talk shit about Sandoval. I don't want to hear anyone else on this stupid podcast.

And now I only want to hear about the Valley. And I want to hear about your failing relationship. And I don't want to hear about anything else on that podcast. It is now insane to me. The only reason you all have a podcast. It's because Scandal happened, so to think that anyone from Bachelor Nation would give a flying fuck about what you have to say.

You're not Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag. You're not Nick Viall. You're not any of these other, you're not Heather MacDonald. You're not these other podcasts that you all have been on because you're better as, you Once in a while guests, please just stick to Vanderpump rules and I feel bad for Lindsey because she has to recap the shit and she has to listen to see if you guys say anything noteworthy about it.

And I'm, I didn't follow up, but  did they say anything noteworthy at all? No, they fucking did it because they make the way that I wanted Jax  when Sandoval was like, yeah, you keep talking about me. I wanted Jax to be like, well, yeah, I wanted my show to get green. So I know about you because truly.

The Valley has been talked about for years. It was supposed to be completely different, but it has jacks is saying how, you know, this is. A particular concept with him and his friends. And Jana has also said  you know, it's been talked about for years, but it truly only got the green light because of scandalball.

100%. So Jax is  well yeah, I had to talk shit, but no. So yeah, with when reality hits. They make this podcast and they first talk about how, you know, with that podcast, they wanted to bring on other villains of reality shows and talk to them, which is a great concept. Okay, but they don't do that. That's fine.

So then they talk about Vanderpump Rules. That I'm okay with. Again, I hate that. Hearing them speak, but I will listen to them talk about that. And now, and you know what, then they're separated, but they're still saying they're doing the podcast together. Okay. So the Valley now premieres your show premieres this week and you release a podcast episode and it's a fucking interview from someone from bachelor nation.

Are you kidding me? This could have been an episode, like when Brittany announced they Release this shit after that. Literally. Why in hell, it is the premiere of your show and you release this shit? What, wait, did something go down? What's going on?    I wish I knew it. I really was very perturbed. Yeah.

Because you know what I want to hear? I want to hear, because this is the first time ever, like when they're doing that  transition, when Jax is talking about how He, and it shows the headlines of Jax getting fired from Vanderpump. This is the first time we see that because Jax has been saying for years he wasn't fired, but I want to hear Jax on the podcast being like, that's not true.

I want to hear that kind of shit because that cracks me up the way he lies so much. But no, we've got a fucking interview for Wells Adam. I don't know who the hell that is. No idea.  It's really. It's bleak. It's bleak, and it's, uh, you know, you guys really could have made something good out of this and you just refuse to.

So when you're, when you guys don't, I've never, you know what? I've never questioned ever once in my life. I've never been like, why don't Jackson Britney have money? Like I've always known why they don't have money because they make poor decisions all the time. It's never been a question. I wonder about everybody else because it's seemingly they were in a different situation.

And now I'm looking at. They're score, they're still in the 1, top 1 percent of podcasts with a listen score of 62 on listennotes. com. Which is, I mean, let's see what's Vile Files got, really quick, while we wrap this up. Let me do some unnecessary, uh, digging.

Here's the thing, they at least with their podcasts, they get a lot of hate listens. So it's  you could at least just do something with your damn podcast and for you to do this shit  that does not make sense to me. It doesn't. Nick Viall has a listening score of 76, if the  top would be 100.

So, he's far above you guys. You guys need to work on it if you really want to be And I hate him. Yeah. So they, James J well, I didn't actually want to talk about James. That was a misstep, but James does kind of sit there and hype up everything. Jack says, he's  yeah, my, yeah. May. And I just think it's funny because of how much they used to hate each other.

And now James is  he's literally  A cartoon with like heart eyes when Jax walks in, he's so happy. Oh yeah. Very bizarre. And Jax tells Sandoval that he is exactly him from seven years ago, that Jax has learned from his mistakes. He's grown up. He's not the same person anymore. You know, I've seen a lot of people on the internet feel like they need to like meme makers and stuff like that.

Feel like they need to reiterate Jax has not actually grown or changed. And I just want to say. Now, Melissa, right, she did, she put it beautifully. Oh, she did. That's all we need though, cause, honestly, guys, we know.  Ha. We know. We don't need anything else. She put it perfectly. You guys don't need to make any more memes or repost the same thing over and over because we absolutely know.

James hasn't, or Jax hasn't, or none of these men have grown up at all. Not one of them have grown up at all. And then he says that he owns his shit, which he does not. And then he's like, all right guys, well, I wish I could be here doing shots with you, but, uh, got to go home to the wife and kids. And then he gets up and he walks out.

And we get the transition into the valley. We get a beautiful moment where it's already Jax right from the start. Cause in his voiceover, he's  you know, I've changed.    I don't stay out late.  I'm a parrot. And then you see him in the limo. He's  man, fuck. I wish I could take shots with shorts and get drunk.

I know he wanted to stay in and get wasted so bad. Um, it's great. Already contradicting himself already. Yeah. Honestly, it's what we needed. We needed a breath of Jack's air, you know? Yeah.  It, it smells like cocaine. It really does. Um, so let's talk briefly. I just want to say a couple of things about the after show, and then we can give some overall thoughts about the Valley guys, uh, We don't want to keep you here all night.

We will, we have so much stuff going on and so many fun things that we're going to be doing. So I don't think we need to do like a play by play, but we can get some overall thoughts if that's okay with you. Yeah, I'm good. Uh, some of the noteworthy things that came out of the after show, we already talked about Katie not being told about Chicago, which I mean, Katie didn't verify that, so I don't did or did she, cause I didn't, she has it.

But I was like, Like Katie, you probably, you had to have felt some sort of way about that. Or maybe that's just here. I mean, maybe it's hearsay. Maybe it's not true. Yeah. I mean, I will, I guess we'll wait to see if, cause it came out of Lala's mouth. And I did, well, actually it came out of Brittany's mouth first.

Brittany was the one that first Brittany was like, well, didn't, isn't that what happened with Chicago? And Lala was like, it absolutely was. Well, I was like, Oh, I don't have to be the messy bitch today. Yeah. Right. It's Brittany. But Brittany, the way she says it, I thought she did that to Katie. She knows what she's doing.

Uh, Ariana, Oh, if you could elaborate, Oh, Ari, I'm talking about the NDAs for dancing with the stars. Yeah. We talked about dancing with the stars. Yeah. The only other thing is that Tom Sandoval also apparently has always wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars. I'm like, guys, everybody wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars.

I've never watched it. Hardly ever in my life. No, the way that, you know, next thing you know, it's good. Lala and Katie are going to be like, I want to dance. I want to end up dancing with the stars. You know what, though? I thinking about it, I can see it for Sandoval. Remember when he like, remember when he knew every single.

Piece of the choreography to that one NSYNC song at Jax's wedding, he danced with Lance the Ass. I forgot that he likes to dance. So I guess it would But who would his partner I don't know. I don't think he'd make it very far. But no, he absolutely wouldn't because he only has one signature dance. Like I know he, maybe if he actually learned choreography, but like his freestyle, he only knows one move, but just, yeah, he, the way that he would do those dance moves, people would want to.

Just turn their TV off.

Uh, Lala said, Oh, right. She says that Katie is Schwartz and Ariana is Sandoval in the something about her. I didn't know why she said that. What is the point of her saying that? Oh, because she's basically, cause she said it after the whole, you know,

Brittany said, well, didn't that happen with Chicago and Katie? And Lola was like, yes, it did. You know, Ariana didn't tell Katie about Chicago. So she's  you know, with something about her, basically, you know, Sandoval, I took it as her saying that Ariana Sandoval Schwartz is Katie, that Schwartz is just along for the ride, right?

And so has Katie been with something about her and Ariana's been making these like major decisions and not, you know, talking about it with Katie. That's how I took it. Um, yeah, I didn't, I mean, I don't think that's a great thing for a one to one. Yeah, exactly, but okay. Yeah. There's a moment where the producer asks Ariana if she was glad that Schwartz left the party and she's  yeah, I mean, good for him.

And then Katie's  good for him. But then it's another thing because I'm just like, guys. Yeah. I think Ariana was actually going to maybe say something nice about Schwartz. And then I couldn't tell if she was being sarcastic or not. Sometimes I really can't tell, but I think you're right. I think she was going to just  give him some credit.

Yeah, I rewatched that and    I, cause I also can't sometimes tell, but when I rewatched it, it didn't look like Ariana had her like sarcastic face. It wasn't like a, Oh, good for him. It was like, Oh  you know, but good for him. And then Katie was like   no. Sadly. Here we go. Uh, Lala hasn't had anal, Brittany has had anal sex  they've pretty much all experimented with threesomes.

This last thing I want to say, and this will kind of lead a little bit into our discussion about the valley, I think the most shaking, the thing that shook me the most about these two, this whole thing of television that we saw on Tuesday night was like, how similar. I felt about things that Jax has said, like I, I agreed with him a lot and to a point where I was like, I think I've said some of this stuff about people in my life before and don't  it's not like bad stuff.

It's just like, when it's coming out of his perspective, it's terrible, but  I deadass thought I invented, until today, when I finished watching The After Show, I thought that I invented the idea of having a 10 year marriage renewal.  I thought I came up with that. And, when I was younger, like in high school, I used to say, I don't want to do vows.

I want to  read a contract and then that will give a purpose for like witnesses quote unquote to be in the audience at the wedding because what the fuck else are they there for if not for me to be able to say y'all saw me say this shit right so and so that's what I used to say and then in recent years I've been like if I could get married For 10 years at a time and then re evaluate when the contract is almost up to see how we feel.

I would feel a lot better about getting married. My problem, my thing is that  well, first of all, his parents aren't divorced, so I don't know where this comes from with him, but  or weren't because, uh, his dad passed away. My parents are divorced, one. Two, I'm not married. So, I can come up with  whatever stupid nonsensical bullshit I want.

Cause it doesn't affect anything, cause I'm not married. You're married, and you're saying this on camera? And isn't he about to hit that ten year mark with Brittany? I mean, I guess they got married in like 2018, but they've been together almost 10 years for 10 years, at least nine, I think, yeah, so it was just, it was very disconcerting for me  to have had  not just to agree, but to have had said the same words as him out of my own mouth.

Uh, but then I remembered  he's an idiot because he's actually married. Well, and he's actually, this was filmed. These aftershows were filmed recently, so this is when him and Britney are separated, you know?  The way aftershows. So that, to me, makes it more ugh, because I'm like, okay, Jags, so are you saying  I'm curious, with you and Britney, what would you say?

Would you say you want to go? Because honestly, I think I said this before, The more I've been listening to them both talk, I think Jax is ready to just be done. And I think Brittany is holding on and thinking he's going to change. I think she realized here's a  no, listen, with both of them, they can both be sketchy as hell.

And I cannot believe hardly anything when it comes to them. But when I think of in the perspective of they do have a real child in their life, right? And so when I think about Brittany. Having a moment being like, oh shit. I actually have a kid, I need to do something to protect him, but I think by doing  this will make Jax see the light and he'll come around, and I just don't think Jax is gonna do that.

 I agree with you, I don't think he is, and I think that they're in one of those situations where, and I think I've already said this, might literally be better for her son, for them to. Oh, yeah. Divorce and co parent instead of living under the same. And again  everything is different.

Everyone's marriage is different. Everyone's life is different. I'm not going to compare Jax to Randall, for example, because again, I think that Randall brought a different level of danger to his home. But   I think that Jax and Brittany, if Brittany could, if what you're saying is if your evaluation is correct, that Brittany is the one that's holding on, I really want her to not.

Yeah. To not do that. I want  your son, we have divorces are so common now and we have so many resources and you guys, I think have money, but honestly, again, I don't fucking know what any of these people, but I think that you guys could  get him the like proper. Care to make sure that he's  looked after well enough if you guys did so that he can grow up still feeling like he has both of his parents, but maybe understanding that mommy and daddy living in the same house wasn't the best for either of them.

I think  that's possible. And maybe I'm overly optimistic. But whatever the fuck you guys are setting yourselves up for right now is It's not good. No, and I would have spent a lot less time in therapy if my parents would have just got a divorce Okay Mine did get a divorce, but they waited a little long Okay.

Yeah, both of  my I have a biological dad and I had a I have a stepdad. My mom was with my dad for 16 years. She was with my stepdad for 20 years. All of that was way too long. Yep. . And it would've definitely saved us a lot. So I think, uh, uh, this whole narrative of, you know, staying together for  the kid, it, you know, it just, that really doesn't work.

It doesn't work. It's all messy. And speaking of messy marriages, we go, we transition right into the valley. And I have  the flowchart pulled up, and so I just want to read it aloud very quickly. So, the family tree is basically how everybody knows each other. And Kristen is at the center. So, Kristen and Janet are friends through Sheena.

And Janet, her husband is Jason, and Janet is friends with all of the Vanderpump Rules cast.   She's a staple in their friend group. She's been around for a long time. Kristen's boyfriend's name is Luke. That's the guy that she's dating. That's the guy that, uh, she talks about in the episode.

They're trying to have a kid. Kristen obviously is friends with Brittany and Jax. Brittany, her college best friend is Zach, who is former roommates and friends with Jasmine, who used to work at SUR. Jax is former roommates with Jessie, who is married to Michelle. And Jax is also friends with Dani, who is married to, I don't know if her name is Naya or Nia.

And that's it. So when you have the nice little chart in front of you, it's actually not that hard to follow. And I'm glad that I read this because I wondered what the deal was with Jax and Jesse and why they were so similar. And I guess I missed how that, that they were friends originally. That's how they knew each other.

For some reason, I thought Kristen brought Jesse into it, but now I get it. Like Jax and Jesse are  very similar. What'd you say? I was just agreeing. Yeah. I was just agreeing. Yeah  they're extremely similar. So, Jesse and Michelle are separated now, right? They're getting a divorce. They're separated.

I don't know if the actual divorce is, you know what I mean about that. But yeah, it's been, and it's been rumored for quite some time that, that they were going this direction. Yeah, so, uh, and we see from the, from this first episode that their marriage is not, uh, Not ideal. He doesn't do shit. He doesn't do anything.

Hey, when he said when she  the whole conversation with them, it was like her Brittany and I forget who else was there, but they're just basically talking about    Oh, these dads are dead beats.  Ha. No, could not be me. If my husband, the first year, your first year postpartum, my husband didn't do jack shit that first year, he would have been.

 I don't know how else to  you cannot, you have to have a supportive partner to make it literally, or some kind of support systems to for her to say that he didn't change a single diaper or he didn't do overly something. What, no  how they're still married. I don't know. I would be interested in learning like.

How she grew up or  what was modeled for her, what the expectations were in her home because that's  I don't have any concept of  having a baby and I know  that shit is fucking insane and completely like  it's like emotionally neglectful, uh  on you and your child, um, So  I felt, yeah, I feel horribly for her, and then you have Danny and Nia, and Danny was on iCarly, which I didn't watch iCarly, but  I watch a guy named QuentinReviews on YouTube, and he has recapped the entire series of iCarly, Sam and Cat, and he's about to release a Dan Schneider video, and, uh, oh, and Victorious.

So, I've actually watched every single episode technically, but I've, I didn't retain any of it.    It's  27 hours long, genuinely. And, uh, that's what I like to do with my time. So, um, So, he was on that, he's a voice actor. I  Danny, I'm not gonna lie. I don't I do too. I guess I like him.

I hate him the least, maybe, is a better way to say it. Well, and actually, me and him have their own podcast, and I've listened to it a little bit.  I'm not gonna lie, I don't really, um, necessarily find their podcast that entertaining, but they actually seem very sweet, and, um  I don't particularly  mind him.

Now, do I always kind of question anyone? Who is friends with Jax, I'm gonna, but, um, they actually seem  and from what I've heard  they seem like they have a solid relationship. And I mean, hell, she has twins and another kid, and he actually seems like he helps out. So I will give him that because my God, I think that the like hardest thing for me to watch with them is knowing that she has had twins and another child and she still looks like that.

 And I don't just mean how drop dead gorgeous she is or her body. I mean, like her skin, her  she doesn't have like bags under her eyes. She doesn't. No. She did not look like she just had a twin eight weeks ago. I'm like, Oh, I would be so fucking lucky. Absolutely could not be me, bro. I would not. It would not be me.

Um, she is the whole time. When I was rewatching, I was like, she's so beautiful. And he is got a really big forehead with really deep lines in it. So I don't know what that's about. I'm looking at his photo. Very odd, but he was like a little model boy back in the day. So I think that's what drew her to him.

So then we have, uh, we have Zach and Jasmine and it's so funny. Rob commented, I don't know if it was in, I don't know where it was, but he said, Zach has dark energy. And I cracked up. I was like  he really does. I'm not mad about it, by the way. I want to be very clear.  I'm into it. But what's with the hair?

Do you think it's real? Is that real? I don't think so. That's okay though. No, that's okay. But just, I don't know. Be honest. Don't try to fool me. Don't try to fool me. I know there's something under that. What are you hiding? What are you hiding? Oh my God. Um, and then Jasmine, she seems cool. Um, she's gorgeous.

My God. Why wasn't she on Vanderpump Rules? Not them blurring out. Peter. In that photo. What is up with that? They probably, he, they needed to sign a waiver. They didn't ask him to sign a waiver. I thought that was so shitty because clearly, okay, the way they blurred it out, you can still totally tell it's Peter.

It's Peter. It's so  what? Really? You're really going to do that to Peter when you show her work at CERN? He's the manager? No. I'm sorry. We have to ask him. About  we do. It's going to be the first thing that I ask. Maybe, I don't know. I have a million questions, but it'll be in there somewhere. Um, okay.

So then we have Luke and Kristen. It's so funny because  I had been listening to her podcast, sex, love, and what else matters for a while before all of this happened. And so I was so familiar with Luke. Really didn't see him much and it's just so interesting like his I love his voice and so It's a really nice voice.

And so it was So, I don't know, it was just interesting to watch him on television and hear his voice. And also, I felt like I knew him better than these guys did. I agree. Because I've been listening to him for so much longer than when these guys started filming, you know? Yeah. And then you have Janet and Jason.

And they're just great. I don't know. Jason is my dream guy. I think he's so cute and I love her and I don't know what else to say. She has dark energy too and I think it's funny. Oh, I know. She, I've talked to her a few times. She seems very sweet. Jason actually, He reminds me a lot of my husband, just a good guy.

And Jenna tells the story because now  they have a podcast as well. And she told this story about Jason and this reminds me so much of Corey. And this is a pet peeve I have with him because my husband, he's very much  not about any drama. Um, anytime we're watching reality shows, actually, when they get still like the screaming part, he's  I'm not, I don't want to just watch grown people yell at each other.

And. He, um, any, he's not the best like storyteller or like to get information, but she says how we can know with Jason, he'll go out and have a conversation with someone and he'll come back and be like, Oh yeah, I think this is going on. And she'll be like, Oh, why do you think that? Or did you ask this? And they're just like, Oh no, I didn't.

Like they don't ask any follow up questions, so I get no information. No details, ever. Yeah, the way    I want all the tea. I want all the drama. I want to hear it. I don't want my own, but I want to hear about others. And the way that my husband is also just  Oh, I don't know. Oh, I didn't think to ask that.

I'm just like, you didn't think to ask any follow up questions. Oh, one of my best friends husbands, who's also one of my close friends as well. He's exactly like that. And I wouldn't, I used to go. Uh, on family vacations with them all the time and so what I would get like Days where I could  ask him things, I would  sit down and  I would have  a, uh, thing, I would have  follow up questions to follow up questions and I would go with him places  if I felt  you know, I needed to get information because I would be like  he's not going to ask me.

And then I've learned over time  that is, there is like a strain of the male species that's just like that. It's not just him. And God bless him. I love him. It's not just him. There are men out there who just don't feel like the details are necessary. No, even for performing like really essential functions, but certainly not for gossip.

So no, I, uh, I definitely understand that. So the whole plot line of this entire episode and there's Jackson, Brittany, hello, uh, the whole plot  of this entire episode is getting to know the families kind of getting to know where everybody's at. And the drama  surprise, really centers, well it centers around Jax doesn't like Luke, who is Kristen's boyfriend.

And Jax thinks that Kristen is moving too fast because she and Luke are trying to get pregnant. And Jax just feels like she needs to think more about it. And I do. I empathize with Jax in that I know what it's like to feel like you want your friends to, more so with marriage, cause I only have one friend that's had a kid and I didn't feel this way about her.

Um, but like when you feel like your friends are rushing into a decision, like a major life decision, because it's like, what's expected of them. And I think that's where I would be coming from. It's just not exactly where I think Jax is coming from because I think Jax is just  I don't know what his deal is.

I don't know if he just hates Kristen. I don't know if he loves Kristen.  I don't know  what the problem is. I'm going to be honest. I, from what I've been gathering, I think Jax And it's interesting because Jax is really blunt about things, but I think because again, now that he has a kid, I really think, because I, with Brittany and Jax, it seems like a main issue they're having is parenting.

And Jack and Cruz's needs. So I'm almost wondering if Jax is coming from a place of  look  I don't want this to come across as him, like regretting Cruz, but almost a place of him saying, look, parenting, it is not what I thought it was going to be. And especially if, you know what I mean, if you have a kid who maybe needs extra services or needs extra help, I think he might be coming more of a place like that because I do think Jax is in this weird headspace right now where I don't think he really wants to be a parent.

I think he wants to go out and have fun and do things. I mean, my God, you see him in this scene. Cruz is just chillin in the hot tub. Yeah, I mean, I mean And really unsupervised  please tell me someone had to have been by him, like Shirley. I saw Nanny scoop him at one point. I did. I saw Nanny scoop him, because he was running out.

He was escaping. He was escaping. He's  it's my time to go. So I, I wonder if he's more coming from a place of that, or also, I mean, You know, again, and Janet said that Jax, what he was saying, a lot of them were failing, but Jax just doesn't have the best delivery. And I think, right, because Kristen has expressed, you know, she really wants to be a mom.

She has felt like one of her purposes is to be a mom and I totally get that, but you can't help your friends eyeballing the situation when the guy that you're with during this time was. Nine, would she say  90% of his time is in Colorado? 99%. 99. 99% of his time is in Colorado. And even still to this day, I think they've been talking about, they're not quite sure, you know, where  they're gonna live and stuff.

And so, and she had just gotten out of that relationship with Alex. And so I can understand her, the, her friends. And again, Jax is not the person to do this. 'cause he doesn't come at it with compassion, but them just being like, Hey, you know, I'm worried about. You and I want to just make sure, you know, you're making the right decisions for yourself, but I'm going to support you with a way and Jax is just going to be like, Again, his delivery is not the best, but I get where he's maybe coming from.

I almost feel like his delivery with someone like Kristen might work, but what he's saying isn't what needs to like, I think that his like brash delivery might be more helpful than  I'm worried about you. Cause Kristen's going to be the kind of person like, Oh no, I'm fine. I can take care of it.  You don't need to worry about me.

I think that you need to be a little more. Upfront blunt with her, but it's what he's saying and he  because like you said, I don't think he's being honest about his experience I'd also like to say I don't think that this is about him regretting Cruz. I think it's about Regretting getting married in the first place.

I think that it's about you know, I think he wants her to consider You're tied to this person. You're tied to this person. If you have a baby. That's a good point. You know what I'm saying? It's not about the baby. The baby is growing. You know, and Lala's experiencing this now to some degree too. Right.  And also, uh, Michelle said this about Jesse.

He loves their daughter. It's not about the kid. It's about the person you're choosing to have a kid with. And are you ready to have this person be in your life the rest of your life? And I think  that's a fair question of Jack's to ask of Kristen when. You know,  he doesn't know him. He doesn't want to get to know him.

And then also, you know, he's Kind of floating around. He doesn't live in LA. There's all these questions and she has such a wild history of choosing certain kinds of people to date. So  I think that Jax's concerns were valid. I also like the guys kind of had  a little guys night out and all of the men were like, yeah, parenting is not.

And this is, I think, a lot of men, unfortunately, come to this conclusion way too late, that parenting and marriage is not the same. Marriage is not the same after you have a kid, and having a kid is not whatever the fuck you think it is. If you're a man especially, you probably don't have a clue. And then  Jesse actually said something very poignant, it's just that he's such an asshole, uh, that.

It's hard to care, but he said, I think that Everything was good, but after we had the baby, she evolved as a mother almost immediately and I didn't evolve as a father and to some degree, that is a normal thing, right? They say that men have a hard time attaching, like they don't, they can't conceptualize the baby until the baby's born, whereas mothers connect  a lot of the time.

Yeah, it can happen, vice versa, yeah, like mom, I've heard stories before where And I, I will say even from my personal experience when I had, not when I had Declan, um, When he was first born, I couldn't really see him and he didn't look the way that I pictured, so I was just like, who is this? Who is this baby?

But then  after I, you know, came to, because again, I just birthed a child, I was like, um, it was like, then it was instant, right? It was this instant connection. I was like, oh, I am your mother. And so, but  I did think Jesse was really honest in that moment. And I think that is a lot to say, you know, instantly she evolved as a mother and I didn't, but the way that like it, it took you that long, I don't think I couldn't have handled that.

I couldn't. And so like him saying that, I'm like, that's great that you recognize that, but you gotta, you would have to do so much damage control to help with that. And then Michelle says to Kristen. We didn't ask each other the real questions. We were asking like, I've  and I've had this conversation with people before about  are you guys asking the real questions about parenting?

Not just  who's going to drive who to baseball practice?  That's not going to be your issues.  Do you have a plan if your child has  Exceptional needs. Do you know who to contact? Do you know the resources at  the schools that they're going to?  What are the priorities?

 What are, you know  these are questions that if something  if after the baby is born  this kid has a developmental delay or a physical abnormality that like causes them, To just move, literally move differently in the world. Like, how are we gonna, are we prepared to handle that? Are we financially equipped to handle that?

Because Kristen, bless your heart. If your husband is in Colorado and you have a baby and you are at a higher risk, technically when you're a little bit older,  if the baby has some sort of anything, I mean, like an extra toe that just makes him walk a little differently.  Are you prepared to handle that all by yourself?

Do you have a support system?  These are questions that I think are valid in my opinion. So, and  I hope that she has, yeah, those are very important questions to navigate as a parent and you kind of learn as you go and I don't think. It sounds like they weren't having any sort of those conversations.

And  I do appreciate though,  there's that, and then there's also the, no one's ever really fully prepared. Like you can ask as many questions as you want and the experience is going to be something totally brand new, you know, if you've never had a kid, but at the same time, I don't think it, I think that there's certain fundamental things that you need to be on the same page of, I E when I have birthed your motherfucking baby.

We take turns, we have a sleep schedule, you change the diaper and so do I, so that I'm not burnt out ready to murder your ass, okay?  Yeah. So, I And you have to, I know in my, like with me and my husband, I appreciate him so much because also when you, I know for me, when you, when I became a mom, I already, first of all, have control issues.

Yeah. But when you become a mom, I'm like, I literally grew this baby and gave birth to him like the way that you just want everything to be okay and control everything. But I needed those moments where I could not sleep. Because of just, of you know, just the life of a newborn, I needed my husband to be like, you need to sleep on this side of the bed away from him.

I got it. I'm gonna take, you know what I mean?  The way, you know, I would cover day stuff and Corey would take over in the night, like it, you have to figure out what works best for you. And again, just, it does, it really does not surprise me to hear that, uh, they are separating. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, if I'm honest.

Truly, after hearing that. Uh, and we kind of just bebop around the ol Janet State Fair party, which is interesting. And, uh, Jax pulls down Danny's pants, and Danny's not wearing a bathing suit or underwear. And this makes Nia quite upset. Um, oh, and I'm sorry, before we get, because that's the end, we just need to touch briefly  Jessie refers to Lala as his mistress and his side piece in the same way and Lala doesn't, I don't know, slit his throat.

So I don't know, Lala, I think has shown growth, um, cause I mean, it actually made me sad cause I was like. I actually kind of want you to go off. This is the real Lala. This is the real Lala. I think this is probably how she actually navigates in real life in social situations. I don't think she is always popping off as she likes to make us believe.

Well, but this wasn't on her show. Well, no, that's what I'm saying though. I think this is how she would normally this is how she would unfortunately experience something like this. Because I'm sure there's a lot of jackass men on the show. That think they can say shit like this to her.  I felt, I've never felt bad for Lala like that.

And I was like, oh my god. And didn't he say some, uh  oh. And then he attempted to grab Kristen's nipple as well. Oh  yes. Bro, you're out here with your daughter at the fucking house. Bro, I would've, ooh. I would've put him in the car and, Press on the gas and let it run itself into a tree. I would be so fucking pissed, dude.

Yeah, you don't even get me started. The way him and Jax are going to try to outdo each other this season. I, it's going to be a lot to, I mean, I, don't get me wrong. I'm kind of excited to watch it, but it's going to be toxic as fuck. As fuck.  I hope that Jesse makes Jax look good.  That's what I hope because  I don't like, cause where Jesse's the threshold that Jesse is starting at, if Jax goes lower than that, I'm going to be, I won't know what to say or do.

I won't know what to say or do. I hope that he can keep it together, so that if we do go to Jackson Studio City, it doesn't feel like the worst decision we've ever made.  Ha, yes. Oh my god, what a whirlwind. Do you have anything else? I feel like we, I don't think we, I don't, oh, actually we didn't talk about how, Sandoval was seen hugging Jeremy, Ariana's brother, at Jax's.

Well, and you know what's interesting?  I need to, I'll come back next week if I find out anything because the people, the Vanderpump Rules party, they're the ones that originally posted that video. They deleted the video. But then on Reddit they were saying that Sheena posted another video from that night, from a different angle, and that's the shirt that Jeremy was wearing.

So I think yeah, it was for sure. I think Jeremy Oh  okay. I'm just curious why they deleted it. Oh, like I don't know. Maybe it just got Too much or someone reach out to them. I don't know. So I guess stay tuned with that. But yeah, I don't even know how to navigate. I was talking to my friend Brady and I was just like, are there just  so many things like we just don't understand when it comes to all this because it's  I see Jeremy hugging Sandoval and then he like posted something that maybe could have been shade towards Ariana.

And I'm just like, I don't understand. Wait, Jeremy posted something. Yeah, on his stories. It's on Reddit.  I really do not remember what it said, but it was something that people were like, this could be shade towards Ariana, which again, people are going to really look into this, right? Because. We see him hugging Sandoval, so  I know, so I just, yeah  I cannot go down that rabbit hole yet, but I don't have it in me, but I will say Jeremy, he was at opening night for Chicago, so he was there with his mom, so I don't know, I don't know, maybe, and you know what, I don't know, I don't know if Ariana is in a different place  I don't know  I can't But then I can't see her being okay with her brother hugging Sandoval.

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